from extremism from violence, from terrorism, from a creeping invasion from a neighboring country. and from suffering for such a long time. we had to impeding with america before that had when russia had mesh as well as with europe to, to come in and help us garrison free itself. then the international community led by the united states and approved rather sanctioned by the united nations security council. and where even those countries who did not see eye to eye with the united states on many issues at all, or like russia, like china, like iran, the all welcomed and supported the decision of the united states. and then it's, i stepped off kind of some and when did a change, when did you feel it? and this led to immediate success within a month and a half because i've got people who walked in the strapping and we've begun to look

forward with tremendous hopes towards a better future. and it did work. everybody helped tonight's his helped russia helped the mister wood helped many, many other countries around the world helped. we'd only shed on educating our people boys in those we began to draft a constitution that was very valuable and got approval of south can people into mechanical solution, acculturation with rights. the constitution would opportunities for construction where it was mandated that woman should be at least 27 percent of the, of the members of africa, parliament and it worked kind of get us on the most important think and of care. the son became the home for all africans from calculus, which i had in the clergy, the lifters, the writers, women, travel. she's all they can come to her, but for

a very short period of time but was, was not so sure. but the dreams, the dream as far as the us can, people who are concerned continued very, very well in terms of economic progress in terms of education, in terms of massive shore, social change towards betterment that walked. all right in terms of specially and stuff. forget building of the african state re, buildings. i've got to work very well off flag begun to fly all over the world. and embassies returned to garrison. life began to look very, very different. but when it failed was in the conduct of the us military. and i guess the way they conducted the so called war on turkish, off terrorism. they told us that the centuries we're outside of capstone. but then

they began to bomb african villages and holders and get all people hurt and, and killed, and homes destroyed. that is where the trend towards the negative began, and that is where my differences with the united states began. and that's where in the year or to say in 2006, this difference with the united states became up to come. now as i'm sure your vote agree with me, no complicated international problem has a simple solution and in fact, there is never a choice between a good or even mediocre option. it's usually a choice between bad and worse. how do you see the best case and the worst case scenario for of ghana in the year or 2 from now? i don't have the worst case scenario for the canister. i have the best case scenario for us, get us to i'm seeing some trends towards that. yes,

we are at this moment till a very, very difficult spot. there is immense violence of garrison. there is. there is immense unger in our country. but i also see the afghans we can go up to the new reality in those who want to offer to stay in afghanistan will make it better. and the region or of the region, especially russia, china, iran, and hopefully, also very important, hopefully also packs done. it realize it and it recognizes the dangerous of continued instability and this is a great portion moment for of kansas time to take

a turn towards betterment. and i'm sure it were not just of course i must or for you to india. another great neighbor off of kennesaw that that, that has recognized you mentioned in penny actors, but you haven't mentioned one very important actor just yet. and it is that the taliban? correct me if i'm mistaken. but i think ever since it emerged in the mid 1990 your views on what that movement represents and whether it's good or not for your country have changed. what do you think about them now? my views about them have never changed from the wrongs that were committed then in the wrong that were committed. now my views of them or not of the ask out people, meaning that the, all the afghan people i was against them when they were in power. because i saw them violating the rights of south can people. because i saw them

allowing foreign influences of got a son, individuals from the out of countries and, and, and official forces from pakistan. and disregarding the yourself, african people. one of the reasons on which i based my opposition and as the systems like many other africans did. but when my government came, when the republican i give them a project, they were pardoned. and many of them went to settle down in their homes and begun a peaceful life. then suddenly the united states and some of the local elements began to talk that had been homes and type various and forced him to flee the country. it was this violence committed against the african people in the name of fighting the taliban. that led me to calling the taliban are brothers because they belong to our country. they are our countrymen. well, they are your countrymen,

but they have a very rigid views on how other people in your country is supposed to leave, especially girls and women. what do you think will happen to, you know, half of the relation to these? it is these views of them, of how women should live in the country and education about girls and that i. so for me that i oppose then that i continue to oppose. now, in the tale of forcing into the future, mister president, to answer her for interrupting you, but you are a such illustrious. you have such an illustrious biography. you, one of the wisest men, certainly in your country may be brought, or you've seen a lot. so i want to get a candid answer from, you know, the diplomatic, again, somebody who knows your country well, do you think they will grab the same amount of tolerance? they will not to they, they will not. but we will not allow them that we will have the

difference of opinion. the struggle will be someone like me, seeking the best rides for our people, for our children, from girders. and that african, there should have the best education i, scholars to everywhere else. if the taliban continue to oppose that this will be confronted. but i want this configuration to be political, not military. do want to be political and not the melody. the. they must agree to that or they will be defeated. the gun people were rise against him. the gun people are giving them a new procure to will receive peace when the african people call for peace. this means and paternity to co exist and to allowed the country to progress if they don't allow that. and if they continue to, to, to seek their own domination of

a canister the way they think of it that will give rise to a nation uprising without a doubt. and i'll be one of those people, if it wasn't me. but let's say, you know the parents, so one of the school girls who died or rather killed tragically in maine, that terrific by those hacked by the yes and implying that the taliban did it and tell him, how's a history of attacking women and girls? if it were them sitting in front of you and pondering whether they should send their other daughters to school, would you have the got to say them that my own daughters are going to school enough garrison? they go to school right now. they go to shop. they go to play, they were to school because we are attacked by doors, extremist, elements, terrorists who don't want us educated. we must add to our resolve to send our

school children to school or go to school. never give up on that. i would. i'm sure millions of africans would give up on that and we would challenge and defeat this terrace forces with or without international community surplus. but i'm sure you girls have a better security and then most people in afghanistan, don't you think that makes a difference? it doesn't make a difference. they go to same school, there they're in the schools, in the city of cobbled. so, and they go to the markets that the, that, that physical security is, is more offer more of an appearance rather than the reality when it comes to the threats. i had security was, i was also talk to many types. so, so no security has to be mental investments in security. we have in our resolve to continue the progress of can son needs in

the progress fundamentally lies in the african girls and women being able to educate and go to work in that us from dementor. right. that would be seeking that i am seeking and will pursue further. ok, well mr. president, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me. half way 1st session is 0 time and like, what do you call that? what is that word? is called communism right? only in communism with our state run countries, they have no recession, but they also have no way for anybody to have a life rather than being a slave. so okay, that's where america that is the

new gold rushes underway, and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold and education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still will have the strongest appeal. the news

the me i welcome back to the parts. i've been a former president because i was the person before the break. we were talking about the taliban and there is a bit of geopolitical joking going on in the world right now as to who will strike a deal with that movement. a number of countries including russia. we have how direct talks do you think those efforts could yield a lasting result? can the child and be trusted to stay true to their word? it isn't the question of trust if the question all the application all efforts for peace in which they have an interest as well. look, eventually the taliban, even if we don't like many aspects of what they have done to count

a son or what they think they are still the african people there are, there are people like we are, they have children that families, that if school girls, there's boys schools that have suffered like we have suffered the rest of the country. so the all people and the understand that the need piece. therefore, the efforts that russia launched in 2018 november in the continued in 2019 with a convenience of those very significant interests can talk. i'm just the last march, the try to meeting that was held in in moscow with participation from most askance phase the thought above the republic. the very significant effort. and i would ask through this interview, the trash had continued this exercise wholeheartedly. and surely, we would have result. well, let me ask you specifically about russia, because russia still lists the taliban as a terrorist organization. and for the records, it's the world's deadliest group with, i think,

almost $5000.00 deaths attributed to it in 2019 that's 3 times more than dias in the same year. do you think any law abiding country should be talking to terrorist all labeling? any group as tara is given how politically charged that war will the, the tyler bond being listed as a terrorist by the united nation is the coast because of their action? of course we have, everybody tries to talk to them if there is no alternative because had no alternative things went wrong, things went wrong and he began to re emerge and part of the population went with them. the answer is not continuing to fight the answers to find the solution and bring the solution. and that is what russia has done and we appreciate it and we wanted to continued in fullest. so yes,

talk to them. there are some p is no other alternative. one of the reasons the kremlin is pursuing those talks has because the calculation here is that the taliban is essentially the lesser of all evils. while they're holding onto the african territory. they serve as a bulwark against other groups, diet and other jihad, as groups that may have regional expansion is plan going into central asia, perhaps further to russia, whereas the taliban for now and says that they have no ambitions beyond your own country. strategically and tactically, do you think that's an accurate calculation on the part of the kremlin criminal, his calculation moscow's calculation to bring about security and stability. enough, kindness out of the fundamental to addressing the speech. once you have a piece of canister and stability of garrison and in government that governs the

whole country, the traits that can be post dreshaun to the region automatically go away. i mentioned the school attack and made before, and that was not an isolated incidents because incident because according to the un mission and dentist and the number of tags, the casualty is the injured, the killed. all those numbers have significantly increased since the americans announced their decision to the trips out. how do you personally explain such a sharp growth in violence where violence has been at the highest in the past few years, unfortunately, and die. she was responsible for some of the most horrible attacks, especially against her most wonders. and there was one room and people in the cities and die. she is an entirely foreign phenomena. the taliban

auto to the country, to come from our villages and halts. but the ice is entirely foreign, taught country and taught environment. therefore, dice must be treated us as an extremely vital tourist group enters upon all of us to fight against this particular organization dias, or the so called islamic state immersed in your country when the united states had full control over again, aerospace and of its land mass i know that in the past you called it an american failure, but putting diplomatic ambiguities, or niceties aside, was it truly a hapless failure or an atten intended outcome? that is a push and we ask every day if this was the desert of failure, of the u. s, policy of garrison, whereas the unintended consequence that we are facing. but if it was not that,

then the united states has to explain this to the rest of the world as to what happened. and 0, one, this explanation will do for your the rest of the world. what, what if, if an honest answer, an honest answer by the us this and honest engagement of willingness with us, of the word, will make it easier for us to work together. and to find solutions. now, while the americans clearly one to disengage from i've got to stand, there are other regional players who are looking to increase their influence. i want to ask specifically about turkey and it's ambitions to provide for the security for the airplane and possibly something on a broader scale. do you think that's a good idea for the dentist and people as well as for turkeys nato partners? again, a son is the home or 5 kids and it is for us to provide and protect our home

and our country. it should be the afghans doing this. if it is for a temporary period where i've got a son, needs a sort of service, turkey, or any other friend on garrison's work. but of course, in the long term, this is the responsibility of the african people. and no foreign force should be data of gather some protecting any place, but us already young men. but you know, there is this thing in many languages. nothing is more permanent than temporary. don't be in the americans came to your country on their short term basis, but they stayed for decades, juicing. if the turks come, they will leave as a green we. we don't store, but the trucks will not come in the large numbers that the service did, or the americans did the choice or talking about the airport to cover about $600.00 . so new people in the us also not determined just the speculation. the

principle here should be that afghans should be able to predict their country and to provide for security far off the end. we have the capacity and we should do it. i want to ask specifically about pakistan because your own family history is very intimately connected to the country. at one point they provided refuge, but then your father was assassinated as well as well. do you think pakistan's game at this point as time pakistan's, game and gas than is aligned with the interests of people of your country? they have to, they have to ally that with the interest of all people in our country. and they have begun to speak that direction, but they must prove that pakistan has been an ally of the west and near to from the time of the service from the cold war in the

promotion of extremism, religious extremism, against the former soviet union. and was at that time you are accounted as one of the football support in which i had been yes we were, we were fighting for independence from the former soviet union. so our independence struggle was one thing. but using our struggle for independence from the completion of the soviet union by park sun and the americans and others to promote extra msm was another thing. and it was done at our cost at the cost to the afghan people. we were in the country of course, and believe in country, of course, but not an extremist country. another fundamental note of and went to this country . so we paid the price, we're still continuing to pay the price for pac sun. and this is our, our most important demand when it comes to relations with parks on that for pac sun

. to be hoping to be friends with ganawe's done. they must give up the use of fixed from his him as a tool of policy that they adopted during the, the time of the soviet union. then surely the afghan people responded very positively. the afghan people are very grateful to the parks and the people for the home that they provided us will be refugees. but they have equally strong complaint and anger at the way the government of park sun used extremism hurt of garrison. and look where we are. look at the suffering of the african people. it is because that so a civilized relationship is the fundamental need of relations between afghanistan, pac sun to improve for the improvement of our additions. and finally, if i may, we are russians like to say that history doesn't repeat itself, but it's rhymes. and to some extent, it applies to the old, big new brzezinski theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. i would claim us

g, g, g, rebounding of fresh and ganesh, them being in the middle. this region is that is gaining important. it is seeing again as the very center of the new world order, theoretically that male for your people, lots of benefits. but practically, historically, it has brought a lot of new fortune liability, which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we, the afghan people will grasp our immensely important strategic revocation, well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of envision in which of garrison's neighbour with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away definitely will come into our territory. for that competition,

the afghan people must handle this more accurate and capably. almost understand the value of the size that we ought, and the location that we are. and use that especially in promoting confidence and trust with our neighbors and the major powers in our region. and have the, with us as allies, for stability. one of us had been a presents, gustavo was the know you raised challenger, no single challenge or should be allowed to emerge because then it would be trying to do on the need the whole of your age and therefore challenge the american preeminence. but i think the way that both russia and china are seeing the region now. and other countries perhaps to, is a bit different. they see themselves as different polls that can sort of list up a strength in the middle. is that realistic? that is, i had a very good conversation with the late mister bridges, skin in 2013, over dinner in washington during my last visit to, to,

to the united states. i had this conversation with him on the use of a stomach extremism. it religious extremism that the, that the, that the to the used and on all aspects of this global politics as he saw it for us in this region, which is, which is already showing to be the most important region in the word, in terms of economic output in terms of global significance of power projection and in all other aspects, it corporate environment between russia and china. and hopefully, hopefully when also together with india eventually will be dictated to factor of the global of global food stability and security. so it is imperative upon this region specially these 2 leading countries, russia and china,

talk to gas brzezinski c as a, as a good outcome for his own country bridges, of course, that that may not be seen as a good outcome for the united states. and that's why the united states is in this region and was of kind of sun. and we hope that the united states would see this as the in victor realty, in the world today, and approach it wisely rather than through negative competition. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that mister president is always a pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for good talking to us to continue good talking to you and thank you for watching hope to see her again. next week on walter part. i me

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