strong, very strong g saying there was ever a good time to leave given how they came into your country. when they came in the aftermath of the tragedy of september, 11th, 2001 which got the sympathies of the whole world with them. the afghan people 2 were waiting for such a moment of liberation. liberation from whenever ration from, from extremism from violence, from terrorism, from a creeping invasion from a neighboring country. and from suffering for such a long time. we had to impeding with america before that had when russia had met as well, and with europe to, to come in and help us get some free itself. then the international community led by the united states and approved rather sanctioned by the united nations security council. and where even those countries who did not see eye to eye with the united

states on many issues around the world like russia, like china, like iran, the old will come to support the decision of the united states and, and its allies to come to the garrison and when did it change, when did you feel it? and this led to immediate success within a month and a half because i've got people wanted that success dropping. and we've begun to look forward with tremendous hopes towards ability feature. and it did work. everybody helped the knights, his helped russia helped them. mister wood helped many, many other countries around the world helped. we'd only shed on educating our people boys in those we began to draft a constitution that was very valuable and got a pool of south can people into mechanical's jewish culture. she would writes

a construction with opportunities for construction where it was mandated that woman should be at least 27 percent of the, of the members of africa, parliament and it worked kind of get us on the most important thing and of care. the son became the home for all africans from a calculus which i had in the clergy, the lifters, the writers, women, travel. she's all what they can come to her, but for a very short period of time. but why? i wasn't so sure. but the dream, the dream as far as can people who are concerned continued very, very well in terms of economic progress in terms of education, in terms of massive, shorter social change towards betterment that worked all right in terms of specially and stuff. forget building of the african state re, buildings. i've got to work very well off flooding, begun to fly all over the world and embassies return to of garrison life been to

look very, very different. but when it failed was in the conduct of the us military, and i guess the way they conducted the so called war on turkish, off terrace. and they told us that the st reason we're outside of capsule. but then they began to vom afghans, villages and holders, and get people hurt and, and killed in homes destroyed. that is layer the trend towards the negative began. and that is weird. my differences with the united states began in, thus, where in the year or to say in 2006, this difference with the united states became up. come now as i'm sure your vote agree with me know complicated international problem has

a simple solution and in fact, there is never a choice between a good or even mediocre option. it's usually a choice between bad and worse. how do you see the best case and the worst case scenario for of ghana in the year or 2 from now? i don't have the worst case scenario for us canister. i have the best case scenario for off campus. i'm seeing some trends towards that. yes, we are at this moment in a very, very difficult spot. there is immense violence of kennesaw there is. there is immense unger in our country. but i also see the reasons we can go up to the new reality in those who want to opt to stay in a careless time will make it better and the region

or of the region, especially russia, china, iran, and hopefully also very important. hopefully also paxton, it realizes recognizes the dangerous of continued instability have cast. this is a great portion moment for afghan has time to take a turn towards betterment. and i'm sure it where your district and of course i must offer you india and other great neighbor off of kennesaw that that, that has recognized. you mentioned penny actress. but you haven't mentioned one very important actor just yet. and it is that the taliban? correct me if i'm mistaken, but i think ever since it's immersion the midnight tonight is your views on what that movement represents and whether it's good or not for your country have changed . what do you think about them now?

my views about them have never changed from the wrongs that were committed then in the wrong that were committed. now my views of them or not, of the scout people, meaning that the all the afghan people i rose against them when they were in power. because i saw them violating the rights of south can people. because i saw them loving foreign influences of gather some individuals from the arab countries and, and, and efficient forces from pakistan. and disregarding the yourself african people were the reasons on which i based my opposition and his assistants like many other off against it. but when my government came, when the republican i give them a party, they were foreign, and many of them winter settled down in their homes and begun

a peaceful life. then suddenly the united states and some of the local elements begun to attack the heart of on homes and tide fetishes and forced them to flee the country. it was this violence committed against the african people in the name of fighting the taliban. that led me to calling the taliban and our brothers because they belonged to our country. they are our countrymen. well, they are your countrymen, but they have very regent views on how other people in your country is supposed to leave, especially girls and women. what do you think will happen to you, you know, half of the relation to the interest of these? it is these views of them, of how women should live in the country and education about girls and the rights of women. that i oppose then, that i continue to oppose now in the child opposing into the future. but mister

president, i'm sorry for interrupting you, but you're a such illustrious. you have such an illustrious biography. one of the wisest men said to me and your country may be brought, or you've seen a lot. so i want to get a candid answer from, you know, the diplomatic, get somebody who knows your country well. do you think they will graham the same amount of tolerance? they will not to they, they will not. but we will not allow them that we will have the difference of opinion. the struggle will be somewhere like me, seeking the best rides for our people, for our children, for girders, and that african nurse should have the best education osler's to everywhere else. if the taliban continued to oppose that this will be confronted. but i want to just confirm dishes to be political,

not military. do want it to be political and not military. the must agree to that or they will be defeated. the gun people were rise against him. the gun people are given day when a newport church will receive peace. when the african people call for peace. this means and paternity to co exist and to allow the country to progress if they don't allow that. and if they continue to, to, to seek their own domination of count on the way they think of it that will give rise to a national uprising without a doubt. and i'll be one of those people if it wasn't me. but let's say, you know, the parents, so one of the school girls who died or rather killed tragically in maine, that terrific hacked by the yes and implying that the taliban did. and the tell him has a history of attacking women and girls. if it were them sitting in front of you and

pondering whether they should send their other daughters to school, would you have the got to say them that my own daughters are going to school enough against them? they go to school right now. they go out and shop, they go to play the way to school because we are attacked by doors, extremist elements, terrorists who don't want us educated. we must add to our resolve to send our school children to school or a girl to school. never give up on that. i would. i'm sure millions of guns won't give up on that and we will challenge and defeat the stewardess forces with or without international killer to support us. but i'm sure, you know, girls have a better security and then most people in afghanistan don't you think that makes a difference? it doesn't make a difference. they go to the same school. there are there in the schools, in the city of cobbled. so, and they go to the markets that the, that,

that physical security is, is more offer more of an appearance rather than the reality when it comes to the threats i had secured or she was, i was also talk to many types so, so no security has to be mental investments in security, we have in our resolve to continue the progress that of can son needs in the progress fundamentally lies in the afghan girls and women being able to educate and go to work. and that is fundamental, right? that will be seeking that i am seeking and will pursue further. ok, well mr. president, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me .

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was the person before the break. we were talking about the taliban and there is a bit of edge political joking going on into world right now as to who will strike a deal with that movement. a number of countries including russia, how direct talks do you think those efforts could yield a lasting result? can the child be trusted to stay true to their worth? it isn't the question of trust is the question off the application all efforts for peace in which they have an interest as well. look, eventually the taliban, even if we don't like many aspects of what they have done to, i've got a son or what they think they are still the african people there are, there are people like we are, they have children, the families of the school girls, there's boys, schools that have suffered like we have suffered the rest of the country. so the

all people, and they understand that the need piece. therefore, the efforts that russia launched in 2018 november in the continued in 2019 with the can be of those very significant interests got talked. i'm just the last march, the trial meeting that was held in in moscow with participation from most afghan size. the thought abandoned the republic, the very significant effort. and how would asked through this interview, the trash had continued the 6 us ice whole heartedly. and surely, we would have result. well, let me ask you specifically about russia, because russia still lists the taliban as a terrorist organization and for the records, it's the world's deadliest group. i think almost 5000 deaths attributed to it in 2019 that's 3 times more than dias in the same year. do you think any law abiding countries should be talking to terrorist all labeling?

any group as tara is given how politically charged that war, they were the, the, the tyler bond being listed as a terrorist by the united nation is the cause of their action. of course, you have everybody to try to talk to them if there is no alternative because there are no alternatives things when drunk, things went wrong and the, the began to re emerge and part of the population went with them. the answer is not continuing to fight the answers to find the solution and bring the solution. and that is what russia has done and we appreciate it and we wanted to continued in fullest. so yes, talk to them. there simply is no other alternative. one of the reasons the kremlin is pursuing those talks has because the calculation here is that the taliban is essentially the lesser of all evils. while they're holding onto they have can

territory. they serve as a bulwark against other groups, diet and other jihadist groups that may have regional expansion is plan going into central asia perhaps further to russia, whereas the taliban for now and says that they have no ambitions beyond your own country. strategically and tactically, do you think that's an accurate calculation on the part of the kremlin criminal is calculation moscow's calculation to bring about security and stability. enough, candice, out of the fundamental to addressing this once your piece of gather, stop and stability of garzon and in government that governs the whole country. the threats that can be post dreshaun to the region automatically go away. i mentioned the school attack in may before, and that was not an isolated incidents because incident because according to the un

mission and dentist and the number of tags, the casualty is the injured, the killed. all those numbers have significantly increased since the americans announced their decision to the troops out. how do you personally explain such a sharp growth. busy in violence, where violence has been at the highest in the past few years. unfortunately. and die sh was responsible for some of the most heart attacks, especially against her. the most one goes in the most wonderful and people in the cities and die. she is an entirely foreign phenomena. the taliban ought to to our country, to come for more villages and hopes, but deny she is entirely foreign taught country and taught environment. therefore, dice must be treated us as extremely vital to this group and it is upon

all of us to fight against this particular organization dias, or the so called islamic state immersed in your country when the united states had full control over again, aerospace and of it's a land mass, i know that in the past you called it an american failure. but putting diplomatic ambiguities, or niceties aside, was a truly a hapless failure or an atten intended outcome. that is a push. and we ask every day if this was the result of failure, of the u. s. policy of canada sun, whether it's the i didn't and calls chris that we are facing. but if it was not that, then the united states has to explain this to the rest of the world as to what happened . 100 o one, this explanation will do for your the rest of the world. what if an honest

answer, an honest answer about the us and honest engagement of willingness with us of the word, will make it easier for us to work together and to find solutions? now, while the americans clearly one to disengage from i've dentist and there are other regional players who are looking to increase their influence, i want to ask specifically about turkey and it's ambitions to provide for the security for the airplane and possibly something on a broader scale do you think that's a good idea for the dentist and people as well as for turkeys nato partners? again, a son is the home 5 kids. and it is for us to provide and project our whole and our country. it to the afghans doing this. if it is for a temporary period where i've got a son, needs a sort of service, turkey, or any other friend of garrison's work. but of course, in the long term,

this is the responsibility of the african people. and no foreign force should be data of gather some protecting any place, but us already young men. but you know, they're, they're saying in many languages, nothing is more permanent than temporary. don't be in the americans came to your country on a short term basis, but they stayed for decades. do thing if the turks come, they will leave as a green we, we don't store, but the trucks will not come in the large numbers that the service did. or the americans did the choice or talking about the airport to cover about 600 of so new people in the us also not determined just speculation. the principle here should be that afghans should be able to predict their country and to provide for security of our off of the and we have the capacity and we should do it. i want to

ask specifically about pakistan because your own family history is very intimately connected to the country. at one point they provided refuge, but your father was assassinated as well as well. do you think pakistan's game at this point of time, pakistan's, game and gannon them, is aligned with the interests of people of your country. they have to, they have to ally that with the interest of all people in our country. and they have begun to speak that direction, but they must prove that pakistan has been an ally of the west and near to from the time of the service from the cold war in the promotion of extremism, religious extremism, against the father. so richard and, and was at that time you were counted as one of the football support in which i had

been yes we were, we were fighting for independence from the former soviet union. so our independence struggle was one thing. but using our struggle for independence from the completion of the soviet union by parks on and the americans and others to promote extra msm was another thing. and it wasn't at our cost at the cost to the african peoples. we were in this country, of course. and believe in country, of course, but not an extremist country, or not to fund a mental, not of a domain to this country. so we paid the price, we're still continuing to pay the price for pac sun. and this is our, our most important demand. when it comes to relations with parks on that for pac sun, to be hoping to be friends with the garrison, they must give up the use of extremism as a tool of policy that their doctor during the, the time of the soviet union. then surely the afghan people responded very positively that can,

people are very grateful to the parks and the people for the home that they provided us will be refugees. but they have equally strong complaint and anger at the way the government of park sun used extremism. hurt of garrison and look where we are. look at the suffering of the african people. it is because of that. so a civilized relationship is the fundamental need of relations between of kennesaw pac sun to improve for the improvement of our traditions. and finally, if i may, we are russians like to say that history doesn't repeat itself, but the rhymes, and to some extent, it applies to the old, big new brzezinski theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. and i would claim us g, g, g, rebounding of russia, and ganesh, them being in the middle, this region is, is gaining important. it is seen again as the very center of the new world

order, theoretically that mail for your people, lots of benefits. but practically, historically, it has brought a lot of new fortune to liability, which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we'd, the afghan people will grasp our immensely important strategic location well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of a vision, in which of garrison's neighborhood, with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away different color come into our territory. for that competition, the afghan people must handle this more accurately and capably. we must understand the value of the size that we are, and the location that we are. and use that, especially in promoting confidence and trust with our neighbors and the major

powers in our region and have been with us as allies for stupidity while i was there, had been a brzezinski starts, was that no, your region challenger? no single challenges should be allowed to emerge because then it would be trying to dominate the whole range and therefore challenge the american preeminence. but i think the way that both russia and china seeing the region now and other countries perhaps too, is a bit different. they see themselves as different polls that can sort of lift up a strength and the middle is that realistic? duchess. i had a very good conversation with the late mister bridges, skin in 2013 over dinner in washington during my last visit to, to, to the united states. i had this conversation with him on the use of a stomach extremism. it religious extremism that the, that they did the to the used and on all aspects of this global

politics as he saw it for us in this region, which is, which is already showing to be the most important region in the word, in terms of economic output in terms of global significance of power projection and in all other aspects, it corporate environment between russia and china. and hopefully, hopefully when also together with india, eventually will be the greatest factor of the global of global stability and security. so it is imperative upon this region specially these 2 leading countries, russia and china, talk to gas good presents k c as a group outcome for his own country bridges. of course, that may not be seen as a good outcome for the united states. and that's why the united states is in

distribution and was of kennasoft. and we hope that the united states would see this as the in visibility into work today and approach it wisely rather than through negative competition. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that mister president is always a pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for good talking to fantastic interview. good talking to you and thank you for watching hope to see you again next week on walter part in the me the

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