welcome to work with a party with american decision to pull out 1st from august, and now from iraq. the era of non 11th has abruptly come soon, and sir is no longer listed among the help spread to the united states. although it claims more lives around the world than 20 years ago. what have the last 2 decades map for the people living on the front lines of the warrens her? well to discuss that i'm now joined by a dentist on former president smith because i, mr. president is great to talk to you, great to see you in moscow again to get a good. let me start with a question about allowed because over the last couple of years he weren't shy in saying the americans have out stayed the welcome, but there was a welcome in the beginning, including a welcome from you per trained very strong. do you think there was ever a good time to leave given how they came into your country? when they came in the aftermath of the tragedy of september, 11th,

2001 which got the sympathies of the whole world with them. the african people to were waiting for such a moment of liberation. liberation from liberation, from, from extremism from violence, from terrorism, from a creeping invasion from a neighboring country. and from suffering for such a long time. we had to impeding with america before that had when russia had mesh as well as with europe to, to come in and help us get some free itself. then the international community led by the united states and approved rather sanctioned by the united nations security council. and where even those countries who did not see eye to eye with the united states on many issues at all. the ward, like russia, like china, like iran. they all welcomed and supported the decision of the united

states and its allies to come to the garrison. and when did it change? when did you feel it? and this led to immediate success within a month and a half because i've got people wanted to fix a strapping and we've begun to look forward with tremendous hopes towards the future. and it did work. everybody helped tonight, this helped russia helped the mister wood helped many, many other countries around the world helped we launched on educating our people boys in those we began to drop the constitution that was very valuable and got approval of that. can people into more critical institution culture, she would writes a constitution with opportunities for construction where it was mandated that woman should be at least 27 percent of the color of the members of africa,

parliament and it worked kind of get us on the most important think and of care, the son became the home for all africans, family capitalists, which i have in the clergy. the lifters, the writers, women, travel. she's all what they can come to her, but for a very short period of time i was was not so sure. but the dream, the dream was for us to ask, and people who are concerned continued very, very well in terms of economic progress in terms of education, in terms of massive shore, social change towards betterment that worked. all right in terms of specially and stuff. forget building of that can state re, buildings, i've got to talk, sorry. what are flocking begun to fly all over the world and embassies return to the garrison. life began to look very, very different. but when it failed was in the conduct of the us military and i guess the way

they conducted the so called war on cash or terrorism. they told us that the st reason we're outside of catch them. but then they begun to bomb african villages and holmes and get people hurt and, and killed and homes destroyed. that is where the trend towards the negative began. and that is where my differences with the united states began. and that's where in the year or to say in 2006, this difference with the united states became up. now as i'm sure you've all agree with me, no complicated international problem has a simple solution. and in fact, there is never a choice between a good or even mediocre option. it's usually a choice between bad and worse. how do you see the best case and the worst case

scenario for of ghana in a year or 2 from now? i don't have the worst case scenario for us. can i have the best case scenario for us get us time. i'm seeing some trends towards that. yes, we are at this moment in a very, very difficult spot. there is immense violence of kennesaw there is. there is immense unger in our country, but i also see the afghans we can go up to the new reality in those who want to opt to stay enough careless time will make it better. and the region off to region specially russia, china, iran, and hopefully also very important, hopefully also paxton,

it realizes recognizes the dangerous of continued instability of cass. this is a great portion moment for afghan has time to take a turn towards betterment. and i'm sure it where your district and of course i must offer you india and other great neighbor off of kennesaw that, that, that has a record like you mentioned in penny actors. but you haven't mentioned one very important actor just yet. and it is that the taliban? correct me if i'm mistaken. but i think ever since it's immersion the midnight tonight is your views on the what that movement represents and whether it's good or not for your country have changed. what do you think about them now? my views about they have never changed from the wrongs that torture mentioned then in the wrong that were committed. now my views of them

or not, of the ask out people, meaning that the all the afghan people i rose against them when they were in power. because i saw them violating the rights of south can people. because i saw them loving foreign influences of get a son, individuals from out of countries and, and, and efficient forces from pakistan. and disregarding the yourself african people were the reasons on which i based my opposition. and as the systems like many other africans did. but when my government came, when the republican, i give them a part and they were foreign, and many of them went and settle down in their homes and begun a peaceful life. then suddenly the united states and some of the local elements began to talk that had been homes and type villages and forced them to flee the

country. it was this violence committed against the african people in the name of fighting the taliban. that led me to calling the taliban are brothers because they belong to our country. they are our countrymen. well, they are your countrymen, but they have a very rigid views on how other people in your country is supposed to leave, especially girls and women. what do you think will happen to you, you know, half of the relation to the interest of these? it is these views of them, of how women should live in the country and education about girls and the rights of women. that i oppose then, that i continue to oppose. now, in that i'll be opposing into the future. but the mr. president, i'm sorry for interrupting you, but you're a such illustrious. you have such an illustrious biography. one of the wisest men said to me and your country may be brought, or you've seen a lot. so i want to get

a candid answer from you. another diplomatic, get somebody who knows your country well. do you think they will grab the same amount of tolerance? they will not to they, they will not. but we will not allow them that we will have the difference of opinion. the struggle will be somewhere like me, seeking the best rides for our people, for our children, for girders, and that african nurse should have the best education osler's to everywhere else. if the taliban continued to oppose that this will be confronted. but i want this configuration to political, not military, do want to be political and not military. the must agree to that all they will be defeated. the gun people were rise against him. that again,

people are given an opportunity to receive peace when the african people call for peace. this means and paternity to co exist and to allow the country to progress if they don't allow that. and if they continue to, to, to seek their own domination of a scanner on the way they think of it that will give rise to a nation uprising without a doubt. and i'll be one of those people if it wasn't me. but let's say, you know, the parents of one of the school girls who died or rather killed tragically in maine, that terrific by hacked by the us and implying that the taliban did it. and tell him has a history of attacking women and girls. if it were them sitting in front of you and pondering whether they should send their other daughters to school, would you have the got to say them that my own daughters are going to school enough garrison? they go to school right now. they go out and shop, they go to play,

they go to school because we are attacked by doors, extremist elements, terrorists who don't want us educated. we must add to our resolve to send our school children to school or girls to school. never give up on that. i would. i'm sure millions of africans would give up on that and we would challenge and defeat this terrace forces with or without international communities helping us. but i'm sure you girls have a better security and then most people in afghanistan don't you think that makes a difference? it doesn't make a difference. they go to the same school. there are there in the schools, in the city of cobbled. so and they go to the markets and the that, that physical security is, is more offer more of an appearance rather than the radish when it comes to the threats. i had security was,

i was also talking many types. so so no security has to be mental investments in security. we have in our resolve to continue the progress that can son needs in the progress fundamentally lies in the afghan girls and women being able to educate and go to work. and that is fundamental, right? that would be seeking that i am seeking and will proceed further. okay, well mister president, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me in the old days before breakfast, because the u. k was attached to the you, they could do it other countries do, which is to take all their debts and dump it into this giant shadow banking system

that covers the world's largest trading block. and you could kind of buy some time there because the e. c. b is printing and buying and monetizing debt by the trillion, christine the garden, literally just buying, trying and trying to garbage debt. but now post breakfast, they don't have that way to wash the debts into the greater you laundromat. and so that is going to for the 1st time post bracket, debts are going to start to cause a lot of pain the the, the, the the, me a welcome back to the park with, i've been a former president because i was the person before the break we were talking about

the taliban and there is a bit of geopolitical joking going on in the world right now as to who will strike a deal with that movement and number of countries including russia. you have how direct talks do you think those efforts could yield a lasting result? can the child and be trusted to stay true to their word? it isn't the question of trust is to cushion all the application all efforts for peace in which they have an interest as well. look, eventually the taliban, even if we don't like many aspects of what they have done to count a son or what they think they are still the african people there are, there are people like we are, they have children, they have families that if school girls, they have boys schools that have suffered like we have suffered the rest of the country. so the all people and the understand that the need piece. therefore,

the efforts that russia launched in 2018 november in the continued in 2019 with the convenience of those very significant interests can talk. i'm just the last march, the tracker meeting that was held in in moscow with participation from most afghan size, the thought abandoned the republic, the very significant effort. and i would ask through this interview, the trash had continued this exercise wholeheartedly. and surely, we would have results. well, let me ask you specifically about russia, because russia still lists the taliban as a terrorist organization. and for the records, it's the world's deadliest group with, i think, almost $5000.00 deaths attributed to it in 2019 that's 3 times more than dias in the same year. do you think any law abiding country should be talking to terrorist all labeling? any group as tara is given how politically charged that war?

will the, the taliban being listed as terrorist by the united nation is the cause of their action, of course, and we have everybody to try to talk to them if there is no alternative because he had no alternative things. when drunk things went wrong. and the, the began to re emerge and part of the population went with them. the answer is not continuing to fight the answers to find the solution and bring the solution. and that is what russia has done and we appreciate it and we wanted to continued in fullest. so yes, talk to them. there are some p is no other alternative. one of the reasons the kremlin is pursuing those talks is because the calculation here is that the taliban is essentially the lesser of all evils. while they're holding onto they have can territory. they serve as a bulwark against other groups, diet and other jihad,

as groups that may have regional expansion is plan going into central asia, perhaps further to russia, whereas the taliban for now and says that they have no ambitions beyond your own country. strategically and tactically, do you think that's an accurate calculation on the part of the kremlin criminal is calculation moscow's calculation to bring about security and stability. enough cameras out of the fundamental to addressing this once you have a piece of canister and stability of garzon and a government that governs the whole country, the traits that can be post dreshaun to the region automatically go away. i mentioned the school attack in may before, and that was not an isolated incidents because incident because according to the un mission and dentist and the number of attacks, the casualty is the injured,

the killed. all those numbers have significantly increased since the americans announced their decision to the troops out. how do you personally explain such a sharp growth in violence where violence has been at the highest in the past few years, unfortunately. and die sh was responsible for some of the most horrible attacks sufficient against her the most one goers and the most wonderful and people in the cities and die. she is an entirely foreign phenomena. the taliban, automated our country to come from our villages and halts. but the ice is entirely foreign toward country entire environment. therefore, dice must be treated us as an extremely violet to this group enters upon all of us to fight against this particular organization dias,

or the so called islamic state immersed in your country when the united states had full control over again, aerospace and of its land mass, i know that in the past you called it an american failure, but putting diplomatic ambiguities, or niceties aside, was a truly a hapless failure or an atten intended outcome that is a push. and we ask every day if this was deserved of failure, of the u. s, policy of garrison, whereas the unintended consequence that we're facing. but if it was not that, then the nurse is, has to explain this to the rest of the world as to what happened. and oh, what this explanation will do for your the rest of the world. what if, if an honest answer, an honest answer by the us and honest engagement of willingness with us that would,

will make it easier for us to work together and to find solutions. now, while the americans clearly one to disengage from against and there are other regional players who are looking to increase their influence, i want to ask specifically about turkey and it's ambitions to provide for the security for the airplane and possibly something on a broader scale. do you think that's a good idea for the dentist and people as well as for turkeys nato partners? again, a son is the home or 5 kids. and it is for us to provide and protect our home and our country. it should be the afghans doing this if it is for a temporary period where i've got a son needs a sort of service, turkey, or any other friend of kenneth sons work. but of course, in the long term,

this is the responsibility of the african people. and nor foreign force should be data left, gather some protecting any place, but us already young men. but you know, there is this thing in many languages. nothing is more permanent than temporary. don't be in the americans came to your country on their short term basis, but they stayed for decades. do thing if the turks come, they will leave as a green we, we don't store, but the trucks will not come in the large numbers that the service did. or the americans did the choice or talking about the airport in corporate, about $600.00. so new people in the us also not determined, isn't the speculation. the principle here should be that afghans should be able to predict their country and to provide for security so far off the end. we have the capacity and we should do it. i want to ask specifically about pakistan because your own family history is very intimately connected to the

country. at one point they provided refuge, but then your father was assassinated as well as well. do you think pakistan's game at this point as time pakistan game and garrison is aligned with the interests of people of your country. they have to, they have to ally that with the interest of all people in our country. and they have begun to speak that direction, but they must prove that pakistan has been an ally of the west and near to from the time of the service from the cold war in the promotion of extremism, religious extremism, against the father. so richard and, and was at that time you are accounted as one of the football support in which i had been yes we were, we were fighting for independence from the former soviet union. so our independence

struggle was one thing. but using our struggle for independence from the confusion of the soviet union by park sun and the americans and others to promote extra msm was another thing. and it was done at our cost at the cost to the afghan people. we were in the country of course, and believe, and country, of course, but not an extremist country, or another fundamental not of them into this country. so we paid the price, we're still continuing to pay the price for facts. and this is our, our most important demand when it comes to relations with parks on that for pac sun . to be hoping to be friends with ganawe's done. they must give up the use of fixed from ism as a tool of policy that their doctor during the, the time of the soviet union. then surely the afghan people respond very positively that can, people are very grateful to the parks and the people for the home that they

provided us will be refugees. but they have equally strong complaint and anger at the way the government of park sun used extremism. hurt of garrison and look where we are, look at the suffering of the african people. it is because that so a civilized relationship is the fundamental need of relations between afghanistan, pakistan to improve for the improvement of our additions. and finally, if i may, we are russians like to say that history doesn't repeat itself, but it's rhymes, and to some extent, it applies to the old, big new brzezinski theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. i would claim us g, g, g, rebounding of fresh and ganesh, them being in the middle. this region is that is gaining important. it is seeing again as the very center of the new world order, theoretically that male for your people, lots of benefits. but practically,

historically, it has brought a lot of new origin liability, which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we'd afghan people who grasp our immensely important strategic location well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of envision in which of garrison's neighbour with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away definitely come into our territory. for that competition. the african people must handle this more accurate and capably almost understand the value of the size that we are, and the location that we are. and use that especially in promoting confidence and trust with our neighbors and the major powers in our region. and have been with us

as allies for stupidity. one of us had been in presents. gustavo was the know you raised challenger no single challenge, i should be allowed to emerge because then it would be trying to do on the need the whole of your asia and therefore challenge the american preeminence. but i think the way that both russia and china are seeing the region now. and other countries perhaps to, is a bit different. they see themselves as different polls that can sort of lift up a strength in the middle. is that realistic? that is, i had a very good conversation with the late mister bridges, skin in 2013 over dinner in washington during my last visit to, to, to the united states. i had this conversation with him on the use of a stomach extremism in religious extremism that the, that the, that the to the used and on all aspects of this global politics, as he saw it for us in this region, which is,

which is already showing to be the most important region in the word, in terms of economic output, in terms of global significance of power projection and in all other aspects. it corporate of environment between russia and china. and hopefully, hopefully, when also together with india, eventually will be dictated to factor off the global of global food stability and security. so it is imperative upon this region specially these 2 leading countries, russia and china, talk to gas, did brzezinski see as a good outcome for his own country. b bridges, of course that that may not be seen as a good outcome for the united states. and that's why the united states is in this region and was ill of garrison. and we hope that the united states would see this

as the visibility into work today and approach it wisely rather than through negative competition. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that mister president is always a pleasure talking to thank you very much for good talking to us to interview good talking to you and thank you for watching hope to see her again. next week on walter part. i me the me ah,

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