the me i welcome to work to partner with american decision to pull out your 1st from august and now from iraq. the era of 911 has abruptly compton, and there is no longer listed among the help spread to the united states. although it claims more lives around the world than 20 years ago. what have the last 2 decades mad for the people living on the front lines of the warrens her? well to discuss that i'm now joined by a dentist and former president to me because i, mr. president is great to talk to you, great to see you in moscow again, she get a good. let me start with a question about allowed because over the last couple of years he weren't shy in saying the americans have out stayed there. welcome. but there was a welcome in the beginning, including a welcome from your personal restraint. very strong. do you think there was ever

a good time to leave, given how they came into your country? when they came in the aftermath of the tragedy of september, 11th, 2001 which got the sympathies of the whole world with them, the african people to were waiting for such a moment of liberation. liberation from whenever ration from, from extremism from violence, from terrorism, from a creeping invasion from a neighboring country. and from suffering for such a long time. we had to impeding with america before that had when russia had mash, as well as with europe to, to come in and help us get us and free itself. then the international community led by the united states and approved rather sanctioned by the united nations security council. and where even those countries who do not see eye to eye with the united

states on many issues around the world like russia, like china, like iran, the old will come to support the decision of the united states and, and its allies to come to the garrison and when did it change, when did you feel it? and this led to immediate success within a month and a half because i've got people wanted that success to happen. and we've begun to look forward with tremendous hopes towards a future. and it did work. everybody helped the knights, his helped russia helped the mister wood helped many, many other countries around the world helped we launched on educating our people boys in those we began to draft a constitution that was very valuable and got approval of staff. can people into more critical solution acculturation with dr. it's

a constitution with opportunities for construction where it was mandated that woman should be at least 27 percent of the of the members of africa, parliament and it worked kind of got us on the most important thing and of care. the son became the home for all atkins, farmer calculus, which i had in the clergy. the lift is the writer's woman. a travel she's all at once again come to her, but for a very short period of time, but was not so sure. but the dream, the dream as far as the us can people who are concerned continued very, very well in terms of economic progress in terms of education, in terms of massive shore, social change towards betterment that worked. all right, in terms of specially and stuff. forget building of the african state, rebuilding the afghan state to work very well of flooding, begun to fly all over the world and embassies return to gallus. her life began to

look very, very different, but where it failed was in the conduct of the us military. and i guess the way they conducted the so called war on turkish, off terrorism. they told us that the centuries we're outside of cancer, but then they began to bomb afghan villages and holders and get all people hurt and killed and homes destroyed. that is where the trend towards the negative began. and that is where my differences with the united states began, and that's where in the year or to say in 2006, this difference with the united states became up to now as i'm sure you've given me, no complicated international problem has a simple solution and in fact,

there is never a choice between a good or even mediocre offices. it's usually a choice between bad and worse. how do you see the best case and the worst case scenario for ghana in a year or 2 from now? i don't have the worst case scenario for the canister. i have the best case scenario for off campus. i am seeing some trends towards that. yes, we are at this moment till a very, very difficult spot. there is immense violence of garrison. there is, there is immense unger in our country, but i also see the afghans we can go up to the new reality in those who want to opt to stay in afghanistan will make it better. and the region or of the

region specially russia, china, iran, and hopefully also very important, hopefully also paxton, it realizes recognizes the dangerous of continued instability have cast. this is a great portion moment for of kansas time to take a turn towards betterment. and i'm sure it where i noticed it, and of course i must opt for you to india. another great neighbor off of kennesaw that that, that has recognized you mentioned in penny actress. but you haven't mentioned one very important actor just yet. and it is that the taliban? correct me if i'm mistaken. but i think ever since it's immersion the midnight tonight is your views on what that movement represents and whether it's good or not for your country have changed. what do you think about them now? my views about they have never changed from the wrongs that were committed

then in the wrong that were committed. now my views of them or not of the i've got people. meaning that the, all the afghan people i rose against them when they were in power. because i saw them violating the rights of asking people because i saw them loving foreign influences of get a son, individuals from out of countries and, and, and official forces from pakistan. and disregarding the yourself, african people were the reasons on which i based my opposition and his assistants like many other off against it. but when my government came, when the republican i give them a project, they were pardoned, and many of the winter settled down in their homes and begun a peaceful life. then suddenly the united states and some of the local elements

begun to attack the thought of on homes and a tide finishes and forced him to flee the country. it was this violence committed against the african people in the name of fighting the taliban. that led me to calling the tyler bond, our brothers, because they belong to our country. they are our countrymen. well, they are your countrymen, but they have a very rigid views on how other people in your country supposed to leave, especially girls and women. what do you think will happen to you, you know, half of the relation to these? it is these views of them, of how women should live in the country and education about girls and the rights of women. that i oppose then, that i continue to oppose. now, in that i'll be opposing into the future, but the mr. president, i'm so sorry for interrupting you, but you're a such illustrious. a,

you have such an illustrious biography. you home, one of the wisest men said to me, your country may be brought, or you've seen a lot. so i want to get a candid answer from, you know, the diplomatic. again, somebody who knows your country well. do you think they will graham the same amount of tolerance they will not to they, they will not. but we will not allow them that we will have the difference of opinion. the struggle will be someone like me seeking the best rights for our people, for our children, for girders, and that african nurse should have the best education scholars to everywhere else. if the taliban continue to oppose that this will be confronted. but i want to just confirm edition to be political, not military. do they want it to be political and not military?

the they must agree to that all they will be defeated. the gun people were rise against him. that i've got people are giving them in a picture to receive peace when the african people call for peace. this means and paternity to co exist and to allow the country to progress if they don't allow that . and if they continue to, to, to seek their own domination of kindness and the way they think of it that will give rise to a nation uprising without a doubt. and i'll be one of those people, if it wasn't me. but let's say, you know, the parents, so one of the school girls who died or rather killed tragically in maine, that terrific hacked by the yes and implying that the taliban did. and the tell him has a history of attacking women and girls. if it were them sitting in front of you and pondering whether they should send their other daughters to school,

would you have the got to say them that my own daughters are going to school enough against them? they go to school right now. they go to shop, they go to play, they were to school because we are attacked by doors, extremist elements, terrorists who don't want us educated. we must add to our resolve to send our school children to school or go to school. never give up on that. i would, i'm sure millions of africans would give up on that and we would challenge and defeat this terrace forces with or without international communities. but i'm sure you girls have a better security. and then most people in galveston don't you think that makes a difference? it doesn't make a difference, they go to the same school, there are there in the schools, in the city of cobbled. so, and they go to the markets and the that,

that physical security is, is more offer more of an appearance rather than the reality when it comes to the threats. i had security was, i was also talk to many types. so so no security has to be mental investments in security. we have in our resolve to continue the progress of can son needs in the progress fundamentally lies in the afghan girls and women being able to educate and go to work in that us from dementor. right. that would be seeking that i am seeking and will pursue further. okay, well mr. president, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me. i

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or i welcome back to the parts. i've been a former president because i was the person before the break. we were talking about the taliban and there is a bit of geopolitical joking going on in the world right now as to who will strike a deal with that movement. and number of countries including russia, we have how direct talks do you think those efforts could yield a lasting result? can the child be trusted to stay true to their word? it isn't the question of trust is the question off the application all efforts for peace in which they have an interest as well. look, eventually the taliban, even if we don't like many aspects of what they have done to, i've counted on or what they think they are still the african people there are, there are people like we are, they have children that families, that this cougar's,

they have voice groups that have suffered like we have suffered the rest of the country. so the all people, and they understand that the need piece. therefore, the efforts that russia launched in 2018 november in the continued in 2019 with the convenience of those very significant interesting talks. i just last march the truck, a meeting that was held in in moscow with participation from most afghan size, the power button in the republic, the very significant effort. and i would ask through this interview, the trash had continued the 6 us ice whole heartedly. and surely, we would have result. well, let me ask you specifically about russia, because russia still lists the taliban as a terrorist organization. and for the records, it's the world's deadliest group. i think almost 5000 deaths attributed to it in 2019 that's 3 times more than dias in the same year. do you think any

law abiding countries should be talking to terrorist or labeling any group as tara is given how politically charged that where they were, the, the, the tyler bond being listed as a terrorist by the united nation is the cause of their action. of course, and we have everybody to try to talk to them if there is no alternative because there are no alternatives, things went wrong, things went wrong and the, the began to re emerge and part of the population went with them. the answer is not continuing to fight the answers to find the solution and bring the solution. and that is what russia has done and we appreciate it and we wanted to continued in fullest. so yes, talk to them. there are some p is no other alternative. one of the reasons the kremlin is pursuing those talks is because the calculation here is that the taliban

is essentially the lesser of all while they're holding onto, they can territory. they serve as a bulwark against other groups dash and other jihad as groups that may have regional expansion is plan going into central asia, perhaps further to russia. whereas the taliban for now and says that they have no ambitions beyond your own country. strategically and tactically, do you think that's an accurate calculation on the part of the kremlin criminal is a calculation. most was calculation to bring about security and stability. enough kindness out of the fundamental to addressing the speech. once you have a piece of canister and stability of garzon and a government that governs the whole country, the traits that can be post dreshaun to the region automatically go away. i mentioned the school attack in may before,

and that was not an isolated incidents because incident because according to the un mission and dentist and the number of attacks, the casualty is the injured, the killed. all those numbers have significantly increased since the americans announced their decision to the troops out. how do you personally explain such a sharp growth in violence where violence has been at the highest in the past few years, unfortunately, and die. she was responsible for some of the most horrible attacks sufficient against her. most well goes and there was one room and people in the cities and die. she is an entirely foreign phenomena. the taliban ought to to our country to come from our villages and hopes. but the dice is entirely foreign, taught country and taught environment. therefore,

dice must be treated us as extremely violent to this group enters upon all of us to fight against this particular organization dias, or the so called islamic state immersed in your country when the united states had full control over again, aerospace and of its land mass i know that in the past you called it an american failure, but putting diplomatic ambiguities, or niceties aside, was a truly a hapless failure or an atten intended outcome. that is a push and we ask every day if this was the result of failure, of the u. s. policy of canada sun. whereas the unintended consequence for your facing. but if it was not that, then the and asked his house to explain this to the rest of the world as to what happened had 0 one, this explanation will do for your the rest of the world. it was what if an honest

answer, an honest answer by the us this and honest engagement of willingness with us would, will make it easier for us to work together and to find solutions. now, while the americans clearly one to disengage from afghanistan, there are other regional players who are looking to increase their influence. i want to ask specifically about turkey and it's ambitions to provide for the security for the airplane and possibly something on a broader scale. do you think that's a good idea for the dentist and people as well as for turkeys nato partners? again, a son is the home or 5 kids. and it is for us to provide and protect our home and our country. it should be the afghans doing this, and if it is for a temporary period where i've got a son, needs a sort of service, turkey,

or any other friend of garrison's work. but of course, in the long term, this is the responsibility of the african people. and no foreign force should be data left us on protecting any place, but us or young men. but, you know, they're, they're saying in many languages, nothing is more permanent than temporary. don't even the americans came to your country on their short term basis. but they said for decades, do thing. if the turks come, they will leave as a green we, we do install, but the trucks will not come in the large numbers that the service date or the americans did the choice of talking about the airport to cover about $600.00. so new people in the us also not determined just the speculation. the principle here should be that afghans should be able to predict their country and to provide

for security so far off the end. we have the capacity and we should do it. i want to ask specifically about pakistan because your own family history is very intimately connected to the country. at one point they provide its refuge, but then your father was assassinated as well as well. do you think pakistan's game at this point as time pakistan's game? and if gaston is aligned with the interests of people of your country, they have to, they have to ally that with the interest of all people in our country. and they have begun to speak that direction, but they must prove that of pakistan has been an ally of the west and near to from the time of the service from the cold war in the promotion of extremism, religious extremism, against the former. so richard and was at that time you were counted as one of the

football support which i had been. yes we were, we were fighting for independence from the former soviet union. so our independence struggle was one thing. but using our struggle for independence from the completion of the soviet union by parks on and the americans and others to promote extra msm was another thing. and it was done at our cost at the cost to the afghan people. we were in the country of course, and believe in country, of course, but not an extremist country are not fundamental, not of a domain to this country. so we paid the price, we're still continuing to pay the price for pac sun. and this is our, our most important demand when it comes to relations with parks that for pac sun to be hoping to be friends for the garrison. they must give up the use of fixed for mm hm. as a tool of policy, that their doctor during the,

the time of the soviet union, then surely the afghan people responded very positively that can, people are very grateful to the parks and the people for the home that they provided us will be refugees. but they have equally strong complaint and anger at the way the government of park sun used extremism to hurt of garrison. and look where we are. look at the suffering of the african people. it is because of that. so is civilized relationship is the fundamental need of relations between of counsel foxon to improve for the improvement of our traditions. and finally, if i may, we are russians like to say that history doesn't repeat itself, but the rhymes, and to some extent, it applies to the old, big, new present case theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. and i would claim us g, g, g, rebounding of fresh. and ganesh, than being in the middle. this region is it is gaining important. it is seen

again as the very center of the new world order, theoretically that male for your people, lots of benefits. but practically, historically, it has brought here a lot of new liability which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we'd the afghan people who grasped our immensely important strategic location well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of envision in which of garrison's neighbour with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away definitely come into our territory. for that competition. the african people must handle this more accurately and capably. we must understand the value of the size that we are and the location that we are. and use that especially in promoting

confidence and trust with our neighbors and the major powers in our region. and have been with us as allies forced a bit. one of them had been a brzezinski, his thoughts was that no, you're raising challenger, no single challenges should be allowed to emerge because then it would be trying to dominate the whole of your age and therefore challenge the american preeminence. and i think the way that both russia and china are seeing the region now. and other countries perhaps too, is a bit different. they see themselves as different polls that can sort of list up a strength in the middle. is that realistic? that is, i had a very good conversation with the late mister bridges, skin in 2013, over dinner in washington during my last visit to, to, to the united states. i had this conversation with him on the use of a stomach extremism. it religious extremism that the, that the, that the,

that the used and on all aspects of this global politics as he saw it for us in this region, which is, which is already showing to be the most important region in the word, in terms of economic output in terms of global significance of power projection and in all of aspects, it corporate of environment between russia and china. and hopefully, hopefully when also together with india eventually would be the dentist factor of the global of global stability and security. so it is imperative upon this region specially these 2 leading countries, russia and china, talk to get good presents care c as a group outcome for his own country bridges. of course, that may not be seen as

a good outcome for the united states, and that's why the united states is in distribution and was of kennesaw. and we hope that the united states would see this as the in visibility into work today and approach it wisely. rather than through negative competition. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that mister president is always a pleasure talking to thank you very much for good talking to fantastic interview. good talking to you and thank you for watching hope to hear again. next week on walter part. i me the me i

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