and now from iraq, the era of 911 has abruptly comes in and there is no longer listed among the help spread to the united states. although it claims more lives around the world than 20 years ago. what have the last 2 decades map for the people living on the front lines of the warranty. we'll discuss that now joined by a dentist on former president. a smith, because i, mr. president is great to talk to you. great to see you in moscow again. good, good. let me start with a question about allowed because over the last couple of years he weren't shy in saying the americans have out stayed the welcome, but there was a welcome in the beginning, including a welcome from you personally trained very strong. do you think there was ever a good time to leave given how they came into your country? when they came in the aftermath of the tragedy of september 11th, 2001 which got the sympathies of the whole world with them.

the african people to were waiting for such a moment of liberation. liberation from liberation, from, from extremism from violence, from terrorism, from a creeping invasion from a neighboring country. and from suffering for such a long time. we had to impeding with america before that had when russia had met as well, and with europe to, to come in and help us garrison free itself than the international community led by the united states and approved rather sanctioned by the united nations security council. and where even those countries who did not see eye to eye with the united states on many issues at, on the ward like russia, like china, like iran. the all welcomed and supported the decision of the united states and its allies to come to the garrison. and when did it change?

when did you feel it? and, and this led to immediate success within a month and a half because i've got people wanted that success trapping. and we've begun to look forward with tremendous hopes towards ability to and it did work. everybody helped the knights, this helped russia helped them. mister wood helped many, many other countries around the world helped. we'd only shed on educating our people, boys and girls. we began to draft a constitution that was very valuable and got approval of staff, can people into more critical station culture. she would writes a constitution with opportunities are considered where it was mandated that woman should be at least 27 percent of the, of the members of africa, parliament and it worked kind of get us on the most important thing and of care.

the son became the home for all africans from a calculus which i had in the clergy, the lifters, the writers, women, travel. she's all it wasn't can come to her, but for a very short period of time but was, wasn't so sure. but the dream, the dream as far as the us can people who are concerned continued very, very well in terms of economic progress in terms of education, in terms of massive shore, social change towards betterment that walked. all right in terms of specially and stuff. forget building of the african state, rebuilding the afghan state. it worked very well of flooding, begun to fly all over the world. and embassies returned to ganeth, hadn't life been to look very, very different. but where it failed was in the conduct of the us military and i guess the way

they conducted the so called war on turn off terrors. they told us that the same reason we're outside of kennesaw, but then they began to bomb afghans, villages and holders. and get all people hurt and, and killed, and homes destroyed. that is layer the trend towards the negative began. and that is where my differences with the united states began. and that's where in the year or to say in 2006. this difference with the united states became up. now as i'm sure you've given me, no complicated international problem has a simple solution and in fact, there is never a choice between a good or even mediocre offices. it's usually a choice between bad and worse. how do you see the best case and the worst case scenario for of ghana in a year or 2 from now?

i don't have the worst case scenario for the dentist. i have the best case scenario for i guess i'm seeing some trends towards that. yes, we are at this moment to the very, very difficult spot. there is immense violence of kennesaw there is. there is immense unger in our country. but i also see the afghans we can go up to the new reality in those who want to opt to stay in afghanistan will make it better. and the region off to region specially russia, china, iran, and hopefully also very important. hopefully also paxton realize it recognizes the dangerous of continued instability. this is

a great portion moment for afghan has time to take a turn towards betterment. and i'm sure it will not just of course i must forget india and other great new rough, kennesaw that that has recognized you mentioned in penny actors. but you haven't mentioned one very important actor just yet. and it is that the taliban? correct me if i'm mistaken. but i think ever since it emerged in the mid 1990 your views on what that movement represents and whether it's good or not for your country have changed. what do you think about them now? my views about them have never changed from the wrongs that were committed then in the wrong that were committed. now my views of them or not of the ask out people, meaning that the,

all the afghan people i rose against them when they were in power. because i saw them violating the rights of south can people. because i saw them allowing foreign influences of get a son, individuals from the out of countries and, and, and official forces from pakistan. and disregarding the yourself african pupil were the reasons on which i based my opposition. and as the systems like many other africans did. but when my government came, when the republican i give them a party, they were foreign, and many of the winter settled down in their homes and begun a peaceful life. then suddenly the united states and some of the local elements begun to attack the thought of on homes and a type vicious and forced him to flee the country. it was this violence committed

against the african pupil in the name of fighting the taliban. that led me to calling the taliban, our brothers because they belong to our country. they are our countrymen. well, they are your countrymen, but they have a very rigid views on how other people in your country is supposed to leave, especially girls and women. what do you think will happen to, you know, half of the relation to these? it is these views of them, of how women should live in the country and education about girls. and that i saw the woman that i oppose then that i continue to oppose. now, in the child opposing into the future, but the mr. president, i'm sorry for interrupting you, but you're a such illustrious. you have such an illustrious biography. one of the wisest men said to me and your country may be brought, or you've seen a lot. so i want to get a candid answer from, you know, the diplomatic, again,

somebody who knows your country well, do you think they will graham the same amount of tolerance? they will not to they, they will not. but we will not allow them that we will have the difference of opinion. the struggle will be someone like me seeking the best rights for our people, for our children, for girders, and that african there should have the best education scholars to everywhere else. if the taliban continue to oppose that this will be confronted, but i want this configuration to be political, not military, do want it to be political and not military. the must agree to that all they will be defeated. the gun people were rise against him. that i've got people are given an opportunity to receive peace when the african people call for peace. this means

and paternity to co exist and to allow the country to progress if they don't allow that. and if they continue to, to, to seek their own domination of count on the way they think of it that will give rise to a nation uprising without a doubt. and i'll be one of those people if it wasn't me. but let's say, you know, the parents of one of the school girls who died or rather killed tragically in maine, that terrific by hacked by the yes and implying that the taliban did it and tell him has a history of attacking women and girls. if it were them sitting in front of you and pondering whether they should send their other daughters to school, would you have the got to say them that my own daughters are going to school enough garrison? they go to school right now. they go out and shop, they go to play, they go to school because we are attacked by

doors, extremist elements, terrorists who don't want us educated. we must add to our resolve to send our school children to school or a girl to school. never give up on that. i would, i'm sure millions of americans wouldn't give up on that and we would challenge and defeat this terrace forces with or without internet security surplus. but i'm sure, you know, girls have a better security and then most people in afghanistan don't you think that makes a difference? it doesn't make a difference. they go to the same school. there are there in the schools, in the city of cobbled. so, and they go to the markets that the, that, that physical security is, is more offer more of an appearance rather than the reality when it comes to the threats. i had security was, i was also talk to many types. so so no security has to be mental

investments is security. we have in our resolve to continue the progress that of can son needs in the progress fundamentally lies in the afghan girls and women being able to educate and go to work in that us from dementor. right. that would be seeking that i am seeking and will proceed further. okay, well mister president, we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments. stay tuned for me or i just in the in the old days before breaks it because the k was attached to the

e. u. they could do it. other countries do, which is to take all their debts and dump it into this giant shadow banking system that covers the world's largest trading block. and you could kind of buy some time there because the c p is printing and buying and monetizing debt by their trillion . so christine the garden, literally just buying trillions and trying to the garbage debt. but now post bracket, they don't have that way to wash the debts into the greater he, you laundromat. and so that is going to for the 1st time post bracket. debts are going to start, cause a lot of the the, the, the me

or i welcome back to all the parts with our former president had met with the person before the break. we were talking about the taliban and there is a bit of geopolitical joking going on in the world right now as to who will strike a deal with that movement. a number of countries including russia, have how direct talks do you think those efforts could yield a lasting result? can the child and be trusted to stay true to their word? it isn't the question of trust is to question all the application, all efforts for peace in which they have an interest as will look eventually the taliban even if we don't like many aspects of what they have done to i've counted on or what they think they are still the african people. there are job people like we are. they have children that families. if. if schoolgirls they have voice groups

that have suffered like we have suffered the rest of the country. so the all people and they understand that the need piece. therefore, the efforts that russia launched in 2018 november in the continued in 2019 with the convenience of those very significant interesting talks. i'm just the last march the truck, a meeting that was held in in moscow with participation from most afghan size. the thought above the republic, the very significant effort. and how would asked through this interview, the trash had continued the 6 us ice whole heartedly. and surely we would have result. well, let me ask you specifically about russia, because russia still lists the taliban as a terrorist organization and for the records, it's the world's deadliest group. i think almost 5000 deaths attributed to it in 2019 that's 3 times more than dias in the same year. do you think any

law abiding countries should be talking to terrorist or labeling any group as tara is given how politically charged? that's where they were, the, the, the tyler bond being listed as terrorist by the united nation is the consequence of their action, of course. and we have everybody to try to talk to them if there is no alternative because they have no alternative things. when drunk, things went wrong and the, the began to re emerge and part of the population went with them. the answer is not continuing to fight the answers to find the solution and bring the solution. and that is what russia has done and we appreciate it and we wanted to continued in fullest. so yes, talk to them. there are some p is no other alternative. one of the reasons the kremlin is pursuing those talks has because the calculation here is that the

taliban is essentially the lesser of all evils. while they're holding on to the african territory, they serve as a bulwark against other groups, diet and other jihad, as groups that may have regional expansion is plan going into central asia perhaps further to russia. whereas the taliban for now insist that they have no ambitions beyond your own country. strategically and tactically, do you think that's an accurate calculation on the part of the kremlin? criminal is calculation moscow's calculation to bring about security and stability, enough canis out of the fundamental to addressing the speech. once you have a piece of gas and stability of garrison and in government that governs the whole country, the traits that can be post dreshaun to the region automatically go away. i mentioned the school attack and name before,

and that was not an isolated incidents because incident because according to the un mission and if canister and the number of tags, the casualty is the injury and the killed all those numbers have significantly increased since the americans announced their decision to the trips out, how do you personally explain such a sharp growth in violence where violence has been at the highest in the past few years unfortunately and die sh was responsible for some of the most heart attacks, especially against her. the more swaggers and the most wonderful and people in the cities and die. she is an entirely foreign phenomena. the taliban, automated country to come from our villages and halts. but the dash is entirely foreign toward country and toward environment. therefore,

dice must be treated us as extremely vital to this group enters upon all of us to fight against this particular organization dias, or the so called islamic state immersed in your country when the united states had full control over again, aerospace and of its land mass i know that in the past you called it an american failure, but putting diplomatic ambiguities, or niceties aside, was a truly a hapless failure or an a 10 intended outcome that is a push. and we ask every day if this was the result of failure, of the u. s. policy of garrison, whereas the unintended consequence we are facing. but if it was not that, then the united states has to explain this to the rest of the world as to what happened hand, oh, was this explanation well,

do for your the rest of the world. what if an honest answer, an honest answer by the us, this and honest engagement of willingness with us, of the word, will make it easier for us to work together and to find solutions? now, while the americans clearly one to disengage from against and there are other regional players who are looking to increase their influence, i want to ask specifically about turkey and it's ambitions to provide for the security for the airplane and possibly something on a broader scale. do you think that's a good idea for the of dennison's people, as well as for turkeys nato partners? again, our son is the home 5 kids. and it is for us to provide and protect our home and our country. it should be the afghans doing this. if it is for a temporary period where i've got a son, needs that sort of service, turkey,

or any other friend of garrison's work. but of course, in the long term, this is the responsibility of the african people. and no foreign force should be data left us on protecting any place, but us already young men. but you know, there is this thing in many languages. nothing is more permanent than temporary. don't be in the americans came to your country on their short term basis, but they said for decades, do thing. if the turks come, they will leave as a green we, we don't store, but the trucks will not come in the large numbers that the service did. or the americans did the choice or talking about the airport in corporate, about $600.00. so new people in the us also not determined discuss the speculation . the principle here should be that afghans should be able to predict

their country and to provide for security for our, for the and we have the capacity and we should do it. i want to ask specifically about pakistan because your own family history is very intimately connected to the country. at one point they provided refuge, but then your father was assassinated as well as well. do you think pakistan's game at this point as time pakistan's game? and if gaston is aligned with the interests of people of your country, they have to, they have to ally that with the interest of all people in our country. and they have begun to speak that direction, but they must prove that pakistan has been an ally of the west and natal from the time of the service from the cold war. in the promotion of extremism, religious extremism against the father,

so retreated and, and was at that time you are accounted as one of the football support in which i had been. yes, we were, we were fighting for independence from the former soviet union. so our independence struggle was one thing, but using our struggle for independence from the completion of the soviet union by park sun and the americans and others to promote extra msm was another thing. and it was done at our cost at the cost to the afghan people, we were in the country of course and believe in country, of course, but not an extremist country, or not to fund a mental note of and went to this country. so we paid the price, we're still continuing to pay the price for pac sun. and this is our, our most important demand. when it comes to relations with parks on that for pac sun. to be hoping to be friends with ganawe's done, they must give up the use of extremism as a tool of policy that their doctrine during the,

the time of the soviet union. then surely the afghan people respond very positively that can, people are very grateful to the parks and the people for the home that they provided us will be refugees. but they have equally strong complaint and anger at the way the government of park sun used extremism. hurt of garrison and look where we are. look at the suffering of the african people. it is because that so a civilized relationship is the fundamental need of relations between afghanistan, pac sun, to improve for the improvement of our traditions. and finally, if i may, we are russians like to say that history doesn't repeat itself, but it's rhymes, and to some extent, it applies to the old dignity brzezinski theses of eurasia, as the grand child born with the economic rise of china. and i would claim us g, g, g, rebounding of fresh, and ganesh, them being in the middle. this region is that is gaining important. it is seeing

again as the very center of the new world order, theoretically that male for your people, lots of benefits. but practically, historically, it has brought a lot of new fortunes liability, which ones are more likely going forward? well, if we'd the afghan people who grasped our immensely important strategic location well. and which has been for the last 300 years. we are in the middle of envision in which of garrison's neighbour with the super powers of the day. therefore those who are competing with the superpowers from far away definitely will come into our territory. for that competition. the african people must handle this more accurate and capably. we must understand the value of the size that we are,

and the location that we are. and use that especially in promoting confidence and trust with our neighbors and the major powers in our region. and have been with us as allies for stupidity. one of us had been in presents, gustavo was that know you raised challenger. no single challenge or should be allowed to emerge because then it would be trying to do on the need, the whole of your age and therefore challenge the american preeminence. and i think the way that both russia and china seeing the region now and other countries perhaps too, is a bit different. they see themselves as different polls that can sort of list up a strength in the middle. is that realistic? that is, i had a very good conversation with the late mister bridges, skin in 2013 over dinner in washington during my last visit to, to, to the united states. i had this conversation with him on the use of a stomach extremism in religious extremism that the, that the,

that the to the used and on all aspects of this global politics, as he saw it for us in this region, which is, which is already showing to be the most important region in the word, in terms of economic output, in terms of global significance of power projection and in all of aspects. it corporate environment between russia and china. and hopefully, hopefully, when also together with india, eventually will be dictated to factor off the global of global stability and security. so it is imperative upon this region specially these 2 leading countries, russia and china, talk to gas good presents care c as a good outcome for his own country bridges, of course,

that that may not be seen as a good outcome for the united states. and that's why the united states is in this region and was of garrison. and we hope that the united states would see this as the in the visibility into work today and approach it wisely rather than through negative competition. well, let's keep our fingers crossed for that mister president is always a pleasure talking to thank you very much for good. talking to fantastic interview . good talking to you and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on world, apart from the me. the me ah,

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