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and as towns in the u. k, south west revolt against wealthy 2nd homeowners hollering out that communities, we investigate the global issue of new liberal class warfare through the microscope of the bath to winning bait. a film that explores gentrification in cornwall goal is a more coming up in today's going underground refers to 50 for the session of the governmental panel on climate change continues. today i mentioned environmentally, catastrophic summer all around the world. joining me that from aberdeen is one of the i p cc's lead authors and the science director of the scottish climate change center of expertise professor pete smith. me, thanks so much for coming on through as a lead author in the past for the i p c. c will. what do you expect for the 50 votes session? what do you expect for all these meetings running up to november's big conference call per $26.00 is. yeah. so cop 26 in glasgow. that's right. so. so what i expect from this one, this is working group one, which is reporting working group, one of my pcc is the working group that looks at the physical science and the climate ology. so that basically reporting what's happened with emissions was
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likely to happen with the climate in the future. and what a physical science basis with that is there gonna be 2 other meetings full of following up $26.00 which look at the impacts meditation. so that's what impacts the climate change will happen. now we had that and working group 3 as the group i maybe work for we look at mitigation. so what can we do in the way we change our lives? what to governments need to do to prevent climate change from happening and ever since cope 20 got one that when that was was in scope one c o 2 emissions of increased every time. there's been a cop conference year on year on. yeah, yeah, absolutely inexorable rise. that's what we need. we need to plateau that we need to peak peak c o 2 as soon as possible, and then start to decline that very rapidly. otherwise, we're in trouble. i mean, you've been in this for decades now, and obviously the news media is hopefully catching up. they don't do the 2 sides
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ism any more. how do you reflect on the way that big multinational companies have lobbied against the kind of research work that you have done over so many decades? yeah, i understand it from their commercial point of view. it's in their best interest, maybe to try and delay action for some industries to do like action on climate change. but the science is always being clear that we need to act. we need to reduce emissions immediately and aggressively. and now, since the parents find the agreement when beholder or the labor governments of the world to sign up, we now have commitment. at least we need to convert that into action obviously. but we have commitments to, to address that issue to keep global warming below 2 degrees celsius, about the pre industrial levels, with all, all attempts to, to, to limit that to 1.5 degrees celsius. i mean, i'm not even sure if commercial decisions because there's no one to sell it to have
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everyone's dead. clearly, i don't know whether you heard about one of the review is still to be the cost or expert i species he review saying $1.00 would be disastrous to degrees would be a catastrophe and impossible world will lose food production. yeah, so they're all gonna be we're already experiencing climate change. climate change is not something that's happening in the future of that one point. 5 degree warming we've, we've measured that i guess pre industrial baseline. and we've already increased global temperatures average by 1.2 degrees celsius. so of that 1.5, you know, we've already got 1.1.2 degrees of warming. so we've only got point 3 degrees left . so we really need to turn this round quickly. this is the decade or action. we need to take a media aggressive action to reduce our fossil fuel emissions. i mean, i'm no climate change dinner, but it does not annoy you even the, when the news says that this summer there's been loads of flooding in germany. the
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wildfires in the u. s. you just said pre industrial, right. the idea of a 4 and a half 1000000000 year old planet being judged on what a couple of 100 years of data, that's nothing to me looking and saying it's hot for the last 10 seconds is going to be home forever. why do they? why did the news on tv use these figures at all? and do they help climate change deniers? when of course the ice code a 3 is the one to use. why? why did they did? why does she see do this week? we could look at the school day to the reasons we look at the pre industrial era, the industrial areas, because that's when we've done the damage. all the damage that we've done to climate change, all the emissions of c o 2 and may say nitrous oxide occurred since the industrial revolution. so that's why we're talking about the pre industrial era. everything up to them was fairly stable. you look at the 10000 years leading up to the industrial revolution, run about 181850 the c o 2 concentrations in the low concentrations and me thank
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concentrations were relatively stable fluctuation. but the long term, 10000 year trend was stable. but during the industrial revolution, when we start to exploit fossil fuels, to make, to make everybody richer and happier we've, we've emitted those meet those greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and that is what has pushed. okay. i understand that contact with the data is pointless and useless in effect. i mean, it doesn't make any sense in terms of statistical significance. oh, really does. yeah. so we've increased the c o 2 concentration massively in the, in the past. in since i started working in this, you know, we've gone up from $360.00 cost per $1000000.00 to $400.00 over $400.00 parts per 1000000 and we were not going to edit that. below that unless we address the climate change issued very quickly and remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. so it is, is absolutely still thanks to statistically significant. and we can see the data,
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and we have the causal link between the greenhouse gases and the, and the temperature increase. and the climate change in all the extra. yeah. it's that it's that correlation. i mean, the lots of big multinational companies that have in the past deliberately and it's been exposed again and again, deliberately tried to destroy the kind of work you and many other scientists have been doing over decades. i mean, that was really just this month, shells biggest political lobby donation was to the american petroleum institute, their ceo, mike, someone says, a rush, transition to electric vehicles as part of a government action to limit americas transportation choice. i mean, shall, it's supposed to be all green now it says it can do stuff while being on committees at the a p, i and it's a great positive impact from within. what do you make of the powerful forces ranged against the conclusions of the kind of work you've been doing?
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well, i think i think the narrative is changed. i can't con, comment on individual companies. what i doing. but the narrative changed. i think that they're no longer trying to deny that it's happening no longer trying to deny the link between human activity. but they're now trying to say that he's going to go to the office, just got people out of business. we're going to lose jobs. we must slow down because we can't rush this transition because if we rush this transition out, companies will be in trouble, and industry will be in trouble. and all that pension funds, which are tied up with these things, will be in trouble. but it's a bullet. we've got to buy, we have to buy hard and we have to buy that quickly. we'll shells as ever a bust environmental policies. i don't know how much modeling you've done using microsoft software, but bill gates, when it comes to mitigation, was favoring this alliance for a green revolution. encouraging the mono cultures. large scale commercial monoculture is what it would effect is that on the soil,
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is that gonna save countries that it was effected? i think a better solution would be to use niger based solutions. the 1st thing we must be much reduce our emissions. so we have to missions aggressively immediately. i've already said that a couple of times on top of that there's going to be going to be some emissions left in the next by 20. if we still want to fly, it's all last week and transition to hydrogen and sustainable. feels that we're still going to be in some fossil fuels the ation industry. and we need to respond to things like 10000000 people on the planet 2050 and that greenhouse gases, nitrous oxide, everything. so we're still going to have some greenhouse gases causing climate change. so what we need to do is to to remove the answer from the atmosphere using something called nature bi solutions and planning native trees is one example, restoring lenses. another example manager ashley hills, is another example of how we can work with nature to benefit by the sea and to
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benefit the climate. by sucking up some of that carbon carbon dioxide is currently in the atmosphere stored in biological pools. and you can be using big industrial companies, big agribusiness, big pharmaceutical companies, producing fertilizers, they're all, they're all with you now that we've got to cope 26. i wouldn't say that that we're with us because we need to, we need to reduce the amount of nitrogen applied to ashley because not wiser is one of the main was as much like emissions. so there are gonna be, some are all going to be some winners and losers in this transition. but we have to find a way of transitioning to a, to a lower comp and future. that means taking some of these businesses. we have to take these businesses with us. that means that we have to, they have to develop the same time back to be nimble, and develop new business models with their responsibilities to their shareholders.
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in terms of assure not shareholders children about their children. does that mean? does that mean they're not going to come on board? i mean, it's capitalism, even compatible with the world, your envisaging, which, which would mean that our children and grandchildren survive. it has to be. so there are some people that argue that we have to do we can tackle climate change. i think that's a much more difficult thing to do. i think we're tackling climate changes difficult enough already. so we have relatively work against some of the incumbents. we have to work with them. let me give you an example. the oil and gas industry currently extracts fossil fuels. rosters run our causes and what we may need to do in the future is because the we have an interest in climate change quickly enough. we might have to remove some items from the atmosphere and store in geological storage
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on the ground. so that's the oil and gas wells. and the gas came and the oil and gas industry have all the skills available, the technology to prove that she actually found the ground. so we paid them 100 years to extract fossil fuels. us, it may be that in the future we need to pay them to pop c o twos underground course . so they have to transition from a business model, whereas extracted from which i boylen fossil fuel down the ground oil and gas to another one, where they are storing c o 2 on the ground. so very different ways in which industries can be brought along and can still work within a market economy to get shareholders and those that refuse to transition. i think there's, there's going to come a time very soon when the fossil fuel companies are gonna lose their social license to, to, to extract fossil fuels. take a look and say enough is enough. we don't want all technology. we've all renewables
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and their share prices are going to assemble and they're going to get strategy assets. going to have a bunch of stuff on there and they know this and they have to transition. i'm not sure what they say when they're loving the politicians. i mean, just finally, if we did stop using fossil fuels for our cars, if everyone in the world did, i know the huge revolution in the transportation being strategized by the chinese communist party, there's still be the pentagon. and people say the pentagon emits, as many is more than as many as $140.00 countries when it comes to c o. 2. and you know about the wars in recent years being waged is the u. s. military compatible with any of this modeling of degrees centigrade? is it compatible or can, can the pentagon continue the way it does image and c o 2 on that scale? i think we need to, single out the us in this case, i think o military operation will be us of the largest military on earth is,
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is the largest ministry on us. and we don't know the exact extent of the emissions, the, those emissions military emissions from any country on report and national greenhouse gas adventurous. so we don't know how much they him it so that he was, it could be worth $26.00. going to be talking about if they don't know some of the biggest images maybe somebody does, but they're not reported they're not, they're not, they're not openly available. i can't access those professor p to thank you. actually after the break, we examine the global themes of the back to winning bay to film about gentrification in england that takes aim at the wealthier leads, who like you gave evidence, devoris johnson, arguably use the country as their personal playground. all the more coming up and part of going undergrad. ah, join me every thursday on the alex simon show. when i was speaking to guess in the
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world, the politics sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. me welcome to mack hazards financial survival guide. looking forward to your message. this is what happens to patches in britain delicate. you watch kaiser report. hello, this is driven by dream shaped by those in the me dares thing. we dare to ask me.
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ah, welcome back. when you get prime minister barak johnson traveled to cornwall for the g 7 in june, he promised 65000000 in funding to create a fitting legacy for the summit. arguably, the other g 7 legacy was a corona virus spike. but his johnson's promise of money, too. little too late for a county blighted by decades of austerity, neoliberalism and justification of after winning film bates looks at the people affected by those universal issues, through the lens of class conflict between the rich and the poor. in a cornish fishing village, going on the ground deputy charley cook caught up with the film's director mock jenkins in in
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black and white, 16 millimeter hand process film about a small village in comb, or a fishing village, which is at the center of a civil war. i suppose it something bubbling under the surface as it transitions from being a place of industry increasingly into a place of simple trade. and did you expect it to become such a big room? it's difficult to, to, to distance, to have any stance on it. really, i don't, i don't see it as a, as a massive hit i get told all the time that it is. and you know, i mean, relatively speaking, it was, it was a big success. we never saw, it was going to be big. i don't think i never think you know, stand, never think to the audience and never think of the commercial value. anything i suppose deep down or someone who saw me to saw that at least somebody would like the film also in about the making it and pushing it for pushing to get it made for
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so long. how did you come to kind of write the phone with how much of it is based on your personal experience or how much of it is kind of invented otherwise? i mean, mostly it's based in, in truth. maybe not necessarily factual, but there's a truth to it. and i mean, where we live in through and comb with at the moment the message is getting social media and linked to new stories about what's going on in como. where people are jokingly saying is pay a document re because all of these things are happening at the moment and they start to say that the film was prophetic in any way. you know, a lot of these, i'm talking to them is a lot, be quite awkward bedfellows that the hearing comb or those relationships. so i've always been problem. i think there's always been incidents like the ones in bay in that rear and i had the moment, so it's an ongoing thing. it's pretty time the story ready. i'm going to have to
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ask you again. it is private parking. people don't worry about that. she's pretty sturdy. me trust that loft cannot. it's not until tomorrow. the clean has been so now moving. i'm going oh now anyways, when you are making the phone, do you think about the kind of push pull between it being very specific to como and it also being a more universal story of, of something that's happening all over the country and all of the wilder voice heard, people say you've got to make something very specific in order for it to be universal . and i probably spoke about myself in the past, but it wasn't until making bait. i realized that that was true. the 1st draft of when it was different and as the same film, but a different scream played
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a different form. it was called the holiday pop, much more literal title. and it was about very specific power comb with and i was worried at that point when i was writing that draft that other people in coma wouldn't relate to it because it was so specific to a specific car coleman. and went from thinking that way to then being in place, being in new york or sample or wherever it was with the film and, and people coming up to me and saying, you know, this film could be about us. so yeah, you do have to go very specific to their i'd say i'm going to say the case to be universe. and i think the reason is that if you go specific you write about what you understand and people can recognize some commonality. i read a interview with the way you said that the enemy of the film is that you can, you can make system, could use expand on that idea. so this balance now is fast. so everybody and other people accuse me of stereotyping the, the income of the parts on this within the community that i was portraying. and i
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think the appraiser people see whatever they want to see and what they're watching and that will come from a very subjective point of view. they're probably mine i doubt it. i've lost a novel. i bought them online then like a battery that needed more nice nice paula. very nautical. you didn't have to sell this house. that may, well, i wanted to kind of highlight was the fact that the, everybody's kind of being promised the world within out, you know, and my cousin is the cornish, a cornish coastal community where you can,
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that's this. and as you know, you can come and you can buy, you can stand a proxy or you can, you can buy a little bit of community and then you've got, you know, you can sit there and you can eat, you can eat fresh class on, on your white linen and drink pressuring us to send out the window and, and see the quaint fisherman coming in and all this kind of stuff. and it's all the light because i see the reality of what the films trying to and what i'm trying to express in the film is, you know, i did, it is industrial and you're going into a place is only that because of industry. and it is also in just be clings on then it's going to be noisy. it's going to be smelly. you're going to be inconvenienced that big paradigm you've been promised a lie and somebody's making money out of it. and everybody were in that situation to greater or lesser extent is a victim. so for example, the must be able to come up with a baby. you come down and stay in the old fisherman. net last am. it's quite easy to demonize them. any comes out and start showing an efficient and telling them that breaking the law or in making noise before cocoa is kind of stuff is quite
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simplistic in a way. and they are kind of stereotypes. but you asked before about which the film are real and which fits and made out the end. not so much work was an exchange freshman friend of mine told me about just down the hill here and but they want to demonize those people because they have been sold a lot. so i think what i was trying to express is the idea that somebody's making a lot of money out of out out of these kind of situations and those, you know how to play the game will always succeed. and you'll have all of these other people who are disenfranchised by your feel powerless, who wouldn't stop reacting in ways that will harm them and how many of a community and that's kind of where the lead character and bait collins himself. i think
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the way he way oh see on the beach and other kind of what might be being the balancing act is how much politics you inject into the film because you hair politics are mostly it's kind of dispassionately played over the radio within tim and san jose house to the wealthier couple how, how much of a kind of balancing act was to make the film again, as you said, it kind of time the story, but also link it to the very specific political moment that they were living. 3 aspects of the with brett, that fishing industry that he's part of the obviously with, with as a kind of cloth for aspect about around the time when the film came out. first, a few of the 1st let reviews points out that the film might be to the 1st british
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bricks it film. and i think people's way into that was the radio, the, the discussion, the radio for style discussion that was going on in the background of the 2nd homeowners house, which was really just there is sonic fila. course it was bricks, it, you know, but to me it was like white noise because that was all we were here and it was a discussion i was getting. no, i was it's viewpoints that were entrenched that we can round and round and round. so i never saw about it, but i think when people came to the film, fresh critics, he wrote the 1st, the 1st reviews they, they heard the words on the fisheries come and you can come and fish and policy and whatnot. and then so this is a film about rex and then was able to, so look at the film, a guy. yeah. this is you know, it whether it's al, agree or, or little this is a trust breaks it. and i and i home, i thought, well, it's not because this film was written 20 years before breaks. but then i started
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thinking about it but, but then i still breaks. it happened 20 years ago. really what we, what we were seeing 5 years ago with regard to the vo. everything that was, that was the result of what happened the generation ago. so it can help but be in it's no, it's not over. of course, it's going to be in the field if you may, if you're writing. so i'm going to say in a contemporary british community, then it's always going to be political. there's always going to be a political element. and if there isn't a political element in that, then are more interested because it's not saying anything. yeah, i just want to ask you about something because your phone was being billed as one of the top items on this who we are now. cultural exchange program with strayer, so are you excited about the program? i'm a bit mixed about i didn't know anything about it. i just saw on the article in the guardian, and i responded on twitter with
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a picture from the film of just stephen moore. the older brother in the film that can actually look on, i'm big us look is i just thought well, 1st off and made me want to ask the question, who it was, who all we now? i got stuck thinking about for about 2 days. it's a p f, i think who are curating the cinema side of it. i would trust my life with those people who i've worked with. so if they think it's good, it's good. you know, it was a picture of bars. johnson and the australian prime minister exchanging biscuits or something on that. and i thought, well maybe we are now. we exchanged biscuits of australia exchanging tam tam, i think it was an interesting ties into this because people accuse bars johnson when they had the g 7 down and comb with bases and it being tokenistic gestures towards cornwall. yeah, i don't think it was even tokenism to spoken, as you could say. as a positive side, i think i don't think it was tokenism. i think it was part of the rebranding of
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comal as a, as the same part for people to spend that time. and, you know, i don't think, you know, all this stuff, all the financial stuff i've already been and now it's, i'd already been dished out and it was so re hashed because there was an outcry about what was going on at cobb and bay and what, why we were having all these people coming in when we were still in the midst of a pandemic. so yeah, tokenism would have been better than what it actually is. i think it was well, let's talk about your next project and it's man which is described as an eco suffolk . oh, horror film. so fickle is a producer, denzil monk coined it was his take on my screen play in the definition be in the film that deals with the results of human interference or human interaction one with the natural world. and how every,
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every instant the interaction with the human world may have a positive and negative effect. so it's for me, it's like it's a horror thriller really the deals with questions of time and of yeah, the, the state we've, we're going to leave the world in compared to stay waiting periods at the well well james can thank you so much. thank you. mark jack in there talking to going underground as charlie cook and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday, exactly into the explosion and be rude to kill, to be $220.00 people in engine 5000 more of the nation now faces potential sanctions from the european union in the face of an economic crisis and another wave of corona virus until then he would try social media and let us know your 1st hand experience with gentrification. ah,
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what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. developments. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. a very critical time. time to sit down and talk me new. gold rushes underway, and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to the goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold and education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still will have the strongest appeal. the,
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the, the, the, the more to buy, coven skeptics in the german capital descends into mayhem with protesters clashing with police. berlin has only just banned anti locked down demonstrations amid a 4th wave of infection. israel crane good now has approve that iran on thursday attacked tanker off the coast of oman, killing to israeli prime minister in the poly bennett called it a reminder of iranian aggression. iran, however adamantly denied the claims and also in the stories that shaped the week. the case of negligent homicide is launched after a huge explosion of a key chemical plant in germany kills 5 people. environmental group green p.
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