should be live today that you feel like it's in the u. k. i think sadly 10 years on for me to little progress has been made and this is being racial and ethnic inequality. criminal justice. i mean one of the vacation and in the u. k. need to demonstrate why black lives matter important and why they need been so necessary. life has been, have been magically undervalued to love. and suddenly 10 years on that we need to strengthen our we so to end to be just going to to the 10. so now when it comes to end to be class racial inequalities, which of course exist around the world,

are we seeing that quite clearly? quite starkly. and we've also seen that we have not made much progress in all of the time. and it says the connected need here when it comes to the police and you know, not even just 10 years since mom and dad, but actually 40 years since this common report, 981. and because it brings no joy to the situation and i'm sure you might know joy for the family of mark doesn't. who was i believe unjustly, killed by police in a failed operation. of course, you know, at that time i know

a lot about what happened because i was the chair of operation try to, i mean, you have in on you monitoring. well, they're going to the time it has to be said that obviously by an $8.00 to $2.00 majority, he was judged to have been lawfully killed by metropolitan police. what did it mean that you were monitoring him with your monitoring him at the time that he was killed? when i'm monitoring at the time the depletion operation, which was operation tried it when we went up and was on vacation, this part something called operation b, which was run by a question, tried in a unique, i'll be in the metropolitan police. and as you know, the chair of the question tried to independent advisory, it was that community as a community way back to the big 990. that we set up a commission trying to tackle the fortunate government on the black community that

the police about was dying and nothing was set. there was no publication to we stablish tried to, to just that. and it took 4 years to get the police to understand that you can't deal with black people as a criminal. you have to address the fact that the black communities are dying proportionately by the gun murders fueled by drugs. and the police took all that time to get a right. and then the facility of the relationship between the police out of the community was borne out by the shooting of he died needlessly. and she's not a guy. i've the chair operation tried and i know all to well that when the head of trying to time was traveling to the sea and i see in relation to moscow,

i know too well within the sock. i remained in the by the side away from the drug, obviously drugs, i don't know, it has an afghan, extend. my lease one's about this one about a drug issue was that the police believe that the car was carrying a weapon reality. so ended up dead. he died need to me because the there was no gun, a fire from the weapon that he was supposedly carrying. and then no, no, no, no, no, of him throwing back weapon away. i mean, that whole kind of justice, the family had was, was a justice because he wasn't,

it wasn't dealt with properly. you should still be alive to day. his family should be getting an apology. i main main at the failure please. to address this, i don't what i believe they think we covered all the truth and that's the problem. but of course, so when it came to the killing itself, journalistic like myself were given information from the independent police. complaints commission briefing us that doug was shot shot at police. there was some gun battle they wanted b, b, c footage, censored at the time. how do you explain all of this in the aftermath of all the shooting that would mean nationwide uprisings across the country and anger? yeah, i mean this is still full of misinformation that was going on at the time to please make separate sessions about and remain tactic to the day and being stored open. and that if i have shopped,

caught out of that media story to use in about a to my explain them out to you. this is where the, the, the collective responsibility police along the media plays out because it is missing to mention about the nation of violence gangland eventually people need because the information now and this was make information and it came from those. and we saw that reported quite widely and in fact, where they were trying to say they were trying to justify and why mom was shot dead. and that can be no justification because it's very clear that the

officer shot trust. i mean, not even shot 1st from what i was told, a lie was being taught by the head of tribe and at that time whatever the gun was beside most. so i'm not even left the soc where, where the gun was shot. that is a professional opinion at the time that was not the opinion that we've been, we've fluid into the quest the found that was lawfully. and i think week after day a week the independent police complaints commission issue the statement that conceded it may have inadvertently given weekly the information to generally following the sheet. it ok, maybe with an accident, they said it should cross the dick. resign the head of scotland yard is always you

mean the controversy about her policing officer evarado demonstration visual for her as be in georgia. i had them in as, as killed in south london. there's been so many different contrivances should, should she resign? you know, when you have a police in the, in the u. k. continuing to fail. somebody has to take responsibility for that failure. and we had so many different scenarios where the level of institutional racism remains wide with the lack of peace accountability and where police it has been out of control and the, the community that decides that and been the black community in the car. and in the other community, more quote, the more why. well,

what happened in the, in the active off of the say we're killing my cases under way that cases under way. i sure why why we got to but, you know, do i think be how do you recall that it was one in charge of trident as well. she's had a low for female police commissioner. somebody needs to take a possibility and i think on this occasion, she ought to be possibility for not being forced into the 21st. then people are not affecting the failing that are happening. but of course, you know, i don't really want to hold responsibility. just one person i'm,

i'm talking about a whole situation that is failing, but can i just, can i just very briefly ask you finally, i've got to get your case with cps. but the head of the c p s at that time was cast alma, an overnight court alleged to be dealing with collective punishments to people involved in the uprising. boris johnson, who is mayor of london, arguably got political capital after cleaning the streets after the uprising. what are the political repercussions of the uprising that followed the mark dugan, a demonstration, i mean, is burst johnson prime minister today. partly because of what happened. i think the end of the day the community respond to failed was something that really reflects that there was an immediate aftermath in terms of the why it or the uprising where people were cancelling the by the way in which

the pete, the police handled the situation there was also a sense of loneliness which can't be common sense because there was a intervention by, in terms of the criminal justice system to address that issue. but the reality of the aftermath of kate were very poor family that went to the police station to find the receipt no losses. at 300 people went peacefully to the police station to see also. and there was a sense of frustration with the way in which the black community was complete. the victim and reality remained to the day and nothing trend for can use all for comment from the full 1981 k g o in

appropriate police. and that's why my niece and the aftermath of what happened to joe floyd became a global not of them, but a huge k copy that hasn't yet gone away. so anyway, thank you. after the break from the 1981 bricks, an uprising to an m b. the inspiration behind when steve mcqueen small accepted. so it gives us his take on the nation wide uprising capitalized by the london police killing of mark doug. and 10 years ago today, all the symbol coming up and bought to have going underground rather driven by shaped by those in

me there's things we dare to ask me. ah, oh, yeah. because it was nice look of off the old what you actually was. so can you through that actually use them shape which is to build me up with your school budget that i would continue to tell you because it was in the famous school from

a credit issued by both of us, choose the new gold rushes underway, and gunner thousands of ill equipped workers are flocking to goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold and education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still it will have the strongest appeal. the the, the, the the welcome back and paul, when we spoke to the member of parliament and next chair is wanting deliberation

trident advisory group. claudia, web, about the 10 year anniversary, the police killing doug, which catalyzed an uprising across britain not seen for a generation. someone who was jailed up in the seminal uprising that preceded it, bricks in 1981, and the fact is award winning author and inspiration behind. when to steve mcqueen, small ex phil mythologies, alex wheedle, he joins me now from the buzzard. thanks so much alex for coming on. i got to take congratulations to being on a long list of this diverse book. awards became more is that's about $1760.00. what do you make of the legacy of the greatest of raising for a generation? the anniversary which falls today after the killing of doug and well concerns me because the government boys don't from the government seem to be we plan the areas of previous governments and so to start racism and pretty patel even more or less allowed in crowds in the

same so black players and i know this is going to be angry and so many young people that i work with, i know. and so it feels that may to just outside just we didn't want to make one. so 2 senses sweating anger, among black people, right? now, because of the policies are these governments, i mean, we're not too far away from the wind stand as well as not means all the government says they're going to speed up the wind rush payments. that was a big scandal for our international view. as about the black people who lived here for a decade to suddenly finding themselves, being deported. pretty. tell the current home secretary said the black lives matter . protests were dreadful mentioning the prime minister boris johnson. i know it's something that you've talked about in the past. opperation swamp in the eighty's.

yeah, i mean the john to stop and search is loving. he's use the phrase, it's loving, stood by and wants to increase the levels of stop and search. i mean, will that lead to another uprising? i believe so because goes where the probate mostly he's never even witnessed the experience of young people. so i mean, look, the splinter, we go williams just last year when she was travelling with her and she had a child, you know, back and she was a man how to that car because we mean baby was inside about some of them actually unintended. and that was great movie. and so when boys johnson talks about lobby and we have no idea what he's referring to because our experience is also pretty dreadful. and so for him to come out of those kind of statements to describe

angus, the black community in this country. now, i know you contributed to the documentary by the queen about the new cross fire. we got to go into a piano all of that, but that was a scene is a racist attack lethal races attack to kill 13 people that went on on the inquiries and an open verdict. mon dugan, who was killed 10 years ago today. he was lawfully killed, according to an a to, to majority verdict. so for me and this will be killed bird. people repeating themselves. i mean, i know schools of black people being you know, losing their lives in police custody way by the way, back to the fifties and sixties. and it keeps happening. and police officers seem to be getting this allowance to deal with black lives, community and tomorrow to them. i don't know he's actually been

calling me to increase cost to be overlap us. and so this is why i so much anger cause our industry is when, whenever this occurs. and so we don't think even now we do know for details, we have no trash and especially the prison come on and question the way that she remains open policy. and so you know, we just kind of talk it in the office again. are we going to go one, we're going to go 5. why? so why? where peace was killed. and then we had 2011 with my dog. and so when, when i mean, i'm not saying the boys johnson the secret malcolm x insurrection re, but then they use saying that increase step and search increased. i mean, you services, i mean slash by 372000000 pounds, the national budget where doug was killed short, killed by police,

85 percent cut in, you'd services there. i mean, you don't think the government secretly, once in uprising. i mean, do you think that's like do because they're playing today based on the last election you lost out to the conservatives. so in my opinion, they all play into the audience trying to run pop is wages we do believe that is government issue for it. you know, so you can use culture was time for me is unnecessary. you shouldn't gotten like, i mean these last lessons because operations 1981 that we saw in bricks and in april and, you know, they could all say, trying to focus on crime on innocent people in bo was the national professional preparation. 81. and they were like,

was do the same thing once more and hanging. um i was in community and was small community was to be invited to commence on, whatever crime is happened to be in a neighborhood because they associate with the police and 40. and so really it was a wing them, any friends. and so i believe that any alteration they want to undertake it should be intelligence rather than just randomly start. and the young black boy on the street seems to me, but ok, where you are an artist. so this is go to the music there as well. that's, that's about culture of girl and being censorship of drill music types of great music. you are an established with me guys. so you're going to say the molly and steel balls are better than what's happening in south london and up and down the country. but what role does music play and will it play? if indeed, this summer is the tinderbox,

that you prepared to be saying is when you refer to my own generation, 198981 in music, we're listening, not just music. even alan called us. i mean, you mentioned still pulse. remember, the sleeve album showed or crumbling, kind of prior community was company and down. and so i don't remember the old one of the line with a black clutch. you know, why? and it does have a tremendous impact on always be in music channel stumping out because this question on how young people don't really feeling deprived they feel marginalized, may go into what based west and there's no way that government can store them underground. young people will soon listen to it and is to be influenced by x

. so you're going to be very careful about trying to control it. you are, you are lucky enough to go to jail and learn about james and 80 in prison. and i don't sure about this generation, i mean is heroic. there's been a qu, hey g, whilst all this is going on a plan damage and the disturbances that are expected this summer in britain. i mean, yes, young people link all this together. i really hope so. i mean, we were news away and we kind of knew was going on around the world. i mean, lucy taught us because so many singers spoke about and related new stories about what's happening in mozambique and go to south africa and so on. when people today, they're not really aware what's going on in ohio, not as much as i was aware about ireland when i was a young man, one to allow that we complain about it and so on. duty or my generation say hey

steve says say look, what's going on here? and it reminds me actually was president ravens invasion of i think it was grenada . and again, my going to be and that they felt they had a right to do that is always been the have isn't it would be kind of relations over the younger junior nations thinking that they can do what they like. we've been punitive. and sometimes it comes back to them in the was in that got to start and so for so you know, we have to be careful here. well, they are trying to achieve. and this should be encouraging for what, what is doing well, inquiries a better stepped in british role, the british role in iraq and, and it's john alleged to war crimes. the eighty's though, i mean there was the i m f back james cal am in labor and then they had my 2 isn't

allowed socialist against sharing those eighty's, that sort of period. we have a kiss tom, or who championed overnight chords for activists of the uprising following the dugan merger by police 10 years ago. you think it's difficult. we have crescent, a dick you mentioned earlier than from the metropolitan police, who apparently was one of the main offices behind sean sha them. and as is who is shot dead by police and kiss tom who is the c b s person there who didn't continue . the prosecution, and it was, it was, it's scarce tom or the neighbor, the opposite leader who says 10 year sentences for war, memorial, vandalism, presumably referring to some statuary. this taken down recently is a much less hope now. then there was back that for me personally. yes. because i do not believe the to be in position,

especially off of the murder and young man outside. so well to say she should not be in place. i mean cold and flat. she was cold when. ready decision making and with regards to cynthia i'm labor for food, but still have that trust me and i mean just the other day i was doing the house and collins and boys johnson's for his multitude allies that he speaks in the commons. and yeah, we come back and so i really don't think he's a strong man. we need to confront because i was in some hold until, i mean, even boys johnson himself. he once said a few years ago, africa will be much good to sit in charge. i mean incendiary blade to races, statement, and yet hardly anybody,

even new supporters could count for that. but you seem to get away with it. i know it's going to challenge him on it. and he has a built in west and as always be the case in the u. k. and so with the last job we come in and so on. they not only have to, for, i think, also to talk to but after why is wing press on the daily telegraph the, the times and so on. and that's in case too much of a mountain decline. johnson would say he was defending muslim women to whether nicole and obviously he denies. he's lying with alex. we do. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show will be back on saturday. 57 years to the day us president johnson signed the false flag, gulf of tonkin resolution paving the way to tens of millions, dead wounded or displaced through vietnam, low and cambodia. until then keep in touch my social media and let us know what you think the issues raised by the killing of our dog and 10 years ago have been laid to rest.

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