ill equipped workers are flocking to the goldfields, hoping to strike it. rich children are torn between gold and education. my family was very poor. i thought i was doing my best to get back to school, which still it will have the strongest appeal. the the a dime action or tenancy we're going underground 10 years to the day since london police shot and killed my dog and catalyzing the biggest nationwide uprising across britain for a generation coming up in the show member of parliament informa chatter of scotland

yards operation tried and advisory group truly a web on whether all it takes is a spark for underlying grievances to make the game. and the inspiration behind to steve mcqueen's groundbreaking, small accent ology alex wheat all tells us how classism is the only schism plaguing british society and a country where black people are still a 100 times more likely to be stopped by police. all the more coming up in today's special edition of going underground. but 1st it's been 10 years since british man mark doug and was killed in police custody, which spot the largest nationwide rides in the u. k. c. in 30 years now a decade later, u. k. prime minister, both johnson has proposed a new plan to tackle crime in a country where black people are statistically more likely to be arrested. joining me now from lester is ambivalent stories in the form, a chair of the met police. his operation tried and independent advisory group, claudia, web quoted, thank so much for coming on. i can't believe it's, it's 10 years obviously. i mean, how have police powers changed during those 10 years?

we now have official reports saying the metropolitan believes scotland yard here is a, institutionally not only racist, but the institutionally corrupt. well, you know, it has been 10 years and mom should be alive today. he that hands feel time these 2 records in the you k, i think, sadly 10 years on for me to little progress has been made. and this is the racial and ethnic inequality. criminal justice. i mean, some of the vacation in the u. k. need demonstrate why black lives matter important and why they need been so necessary. life has been, have been the magically undervalued to love, and certainly can use all that we need to strengthen our we so to end to be

just going to to the 10. so now when is the time to end the to be class racial inequality, which of course exist around the world. are we seeing that quite clearly, quite starkly. and we've also seen that we have not made much progress in all of time. and it says the connected need here when it comes to the police and you know, not even just 10 years since mom and dad, but actually 40 years since this common report, 981. and because it brings no joy to the situation and i'm sure the my no joy for the family of law

doesn't. who was i believe unjustly, to by the police in a failed operation. and of course, you know, at that time i know a lot about what happened because i was the chair of operation try to, i mean, you have in your monitoring dugan at the time. it has to be said that obviously by an $8.00 to $2.00 majority, he was judged to have been lawfully killed by metropolitan police. what did it mean that you were monitoring him, that you are monitoring him at the time that he was killed? one of the monitoring at the time the depletion operation, which was operation tried it when we went up and was on this part something called operation b, which was run by a question, tried in a unique,

obviously, within the metaphor, to please. and as you know, the chair of the question tied to independent advisory, it was that community as a community way back to the big 990. that we set up a commission trying to tackle the portion that the government on the black community. please think about and with diane and nothing was set, there was no publication to we stablish try to just that and it took 4 years to get the please to undecided. but you can't deal with black people as a criminal. you have to address the fact that the black communities are dying proportionately by the gun, murders feud by drugs. and the police took all the time to get a right. and then the fragility of the relationship between the police out of the community was borne out by the shooting dead. he

died needlessly. and she's not a guy. i've the chair operation tried and i know all too well. when the head is trying to time we traveling to the sea and i see a relation to moscow, i know too well within the sock. i remained in the by my side away from the drugs. obviously drugs, i don't know, it has an afghan, extend my lease one's about this, about a drug issue was that the police believe that the car was carrying a weapon? the reality is that moto can ended up dead. he died give me just me because the there was no gun fire from the weapon that he was supposed to be carried. and then

none of the no notion of him throwing back weapon away. i mean, that whole thing, the kind of justice from the had was, was a justice because he wasn't, it wasn't dealt with properly. you should still be alive to his family should be getting an apology. and i mean, many of the failure police to address what i mean, they think we covered all the cruise and that's the problem. but of course, so when it came to the killing itself, journalistic like myself were given information from the independent police complaints commission, briefing us that doug was shot shot at police. there was some gun battle they wanted b, b, c footage, censored at the time. how do you explain all of this in the aftermath of all the shooting that would mean nationwide uprisings across the country and anger?

yeah, i mean this is still full of misinformation that was going on at the time to please make separate sessions about month up and remain tactic to this day and being stored open. and the fire shot caught all of the media to use in about a to my explain them out to you. this is where the, the, the collective responsibility police along the media plays out because it's missing to mention about the nation of a she bought a new venture feeling that people need because the need here now and this was make information and came from these, those and we thought that reported quite widely and i

mean in fact, where they were trying to say they were trying to justify and why was shot dead. and that can be no justification. because it's very clear that the officer shot truck, i mean not even shot 1st from what i was told as i was being told by the head of tribe at that time whatever the gun was beside me. so i'm not even left the court stock where, where the gun bush was shot. i think the professional opinion at the time that was not the opinion that would then carry forward into the quest that found that was lawfully killed. and i think and week after a week the independent police complaints commission issue the cd

a may have inadvertently given weekly information to journalist following the sheet . it ok, maybe with an accident of a said it should cross the dick resigned. the head of scotland yard is obviously being the controversy about her policing officer evarado demonstration, visual for her and as being georgia, had them in as, as killed in south london. there's been so many different contrivances should, should she resign? you know, when you have the police in the, in the u. k. continuing to fail, somebody have to take responsibility for that failure. and we had so many different scenarios where the levels of institutional racism remains wide with the lack

of peace accountability, and where police has simply been out of control and the, the community, the type people that have been the black community in the car. and in the other community, more quote, the more why. well, what happened in the, in the law of the say were killing my cases under way that cases under way. i sure why why we got to but, you know, do i think somebody to be how do you recall that was one in charge of trying to well, she's had a low for female police commissioner. somebody me to tell you possibility. and i think on this occasion, she ought to take me possibility for not being this fall into the

21st, then not affecting the failing that are happening. but of course, you know, i don't really want to hold. ringback because he just one person i'm, i'm talking about a whole and she, she is failing. but can i just can i just very briefly ask you finally, i mean, we got to get your case with cps, but the head of the c p. s. at that time was cast alma, an overnight court were alleged to be dealing with collective punishments to people involved in the uprising. horace johnson, who is mayor of london, arguably got political capital after his cleaning the streets after the uprising. what are the political repercussions of the uprising that followed the mark dugan demonstration? i mean, is burst johnson prime minister today. partly because of what happened. i think that the end of the day, the community respond to failed was

something that really reflects that there was an immediate aftermath in terms of the why it or the uprising where people were cancelling the by the way in which the p, the police handled the situation there was also a sense of lawlessness which can't be common sense because there was a intervention by, in terms of the criminal justice system to address that issue. but the reality didn't, the aftermath of kate was very poor. the family that went to the police station to find it, received no losses. at 300 people went peacefully to the police station to see also. and there was a sense of frustration with the way in which the black community was complete.

victim and reality remained to the day and nothing has changed for can use for common from the, from 981 cake of inappropriate police. and that's why my niece and the aftermath of what happened to joe floyd became a global phenomenal. and been a huge k copy, but haven't yet gone away. so anyway, thank you. after the break from the 1981 bricks and uprising to an m b. the inspiration behind one assist mcqueen small accept a certain gives us his take on the nation wide uprising catalyzed by the london police killing of mach doug. and 10 years ago today, all the symbol coming up and bought 2 of going underground. ah,

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me dares things we dare to ask me. ah, welcome back. in part, when we spoke to the member of parliament, an ex chair, it's what the job ration tried and advisory group. claudia web about the 10 year anniversary of the police killing, doug in which catalyzed an uprising across britain are seen for a generation. someone who was jailed up in the seminal uprising that preceded it. bricks and 981 and the fact is award winning author and inspiration behind when esteem queen small ex film unfold is alex weasel. he joins me now from lincoln. buzzard, thanks so much alex for coming on. i got to take a graduation from being a long list of this diverse book awards became more is that's about

1761. you make of a legacy of the greatest uprising for a generation. the anniversary which falls today after the killing of doug. what concerns me because we government boys don't to the government seem to be we plan the areas of previous governments and so to start racism and i mean pretty patel even more or less allowed in english crowds in the same bu black players. and i know this is going to be angry and so many young people that i work with, i know. and so it feels that they kind of to just outside of just we didn't weigh much in line to one. so do you sense is sweating of anger among black people right now because of the policies are these governments, i mean, we're not too far away from the wind stand as well as the government says they're

going to speed up the wind rush payment. that was a big scandal for our international viewers about black people who lived here for a decade to suddenly finding themselves, being deported. pretty. tell the current home secretary said the black lives matter . protests were dreadful. it mentioning the prime minister boris johnson. i know it's something that you've talked about in the past. opperation swamp in the eighty's. yeah, i mean the john to stop and search is loving. he's used the phrase, it's a loving, stood by and wants to increase the levels of stop and search. i mean will lead to another uprising i believe so because goes where the so procreate mostly he's never witnessed the experience. young people. so i mean, look the splinter, we uncle williams just last year when she was travelling with her and she had

a child, you know, back and she was a man, how do we mean baby was inside actually unintended. and that was great, angry and movie. and so when boys johnson talks about lobby and we have no idea what he's referring to because our experience is also pretty dreadful. and so for him to come out of those kind of statements, a display of angus, the black community in this country. now i know you contributed to the documentary by the queen about the new cross fire. we got to go into all of that, but that was a scene as a racist attack. lethal races attack to kill 13 people that went on and on the inquiries and an open verdict. ma dugan, who is killed 10 years ago today, he was lawfully killed, according to an 8 to 2 majority verdict. so and this will

kill bird people repeating themselves. i mean, i know schools of black people be losing their lives in greece custody way, by the way, back to the fifties and sixties. and it keeps happening. and police officers seem to be getting this allowance to deal with black lives community and to my memory. i don't to them, i don't know. he's actually been calling me to death in custody, overlap us. and so this is why so much anger pulls out on the streets when, whenever you see hers. and so we don't think even now we do full details. we have no trust in the police, especially in prison, come on a question in the way that she remains open policy and so we just kind of talk it in the office again. are we going to go from one

to 5? why? so why it's incurred the waterfall, tottenham, where peace was killed, and then we had 2011 with mom. and so when, when i mean, i'm not saying the boys, johnson is a secret. malcolm x insurrection rate. but then you saying that increase step and search increased. i mean a youth services i mean slash way 372000000 pounds, a national budget where ma, dugan was killed short and killed by police 85 percent cut in huge services there. i mean, you don't think the government secretly, once in uprising. i mean, do you think that's like do because they are playing to the base of the way in the last election you lost out to the conservatives. so in my opinion, they all play into the audience trying to run pop is wages we do believe you got. is government issued for it?

you know, so you can argue culture was, were time for me is on this is so you shouldn't gotten, i mean these last lessons because operations 1981 that we saw in bricks in april. and you know, they could all say trying to focus on crime, but they sweep on innocent people involved the national professional preparation that is either 91 and they were like was do the same thing once more and how good lives in community and was small community was to be invited to commence on, whatever crime is happened to be in a neighborhood because they especially when the police and 40 and so really it doesn't ring them any friends. and so i believe that any operation they want to undertake it shouldn't be intelligence led rather than just randomly store in any young black boy on the street. it seems to me, but ok,

we are an artist. so this is go to the music as we and that's, that's about culture after all, and being censorship of drill music, types of great music during establish with me guys. so you're going to say molly and steel balls are better than what's happening in south london. and up and down the country, but what role does music play and will it play? if indeed, this summer is the tinderbox, that you prepared to be saying is when you refer to my own generation, 989 and 81 and in music weaknesses, not just music. even alan called us. i mean, you mentioned still pulse. i remember the sleep out and show the crumbling kind of price to move the company and down. and so i don't remember the old one with a black clutch. you know why it does have

a tremendous impact on the see who is be the element in music kind of stepping out because this question on how young people are really feeling deprived they feel marginalized. they go into what makes west and there's no way that government can solve that. now my underground young people would soon listen to it and it's to be influenced by it. so i'm going to be very careful about trying to control it. you are, you are lucky enough to go to jail and learn about james and 80 in prison. and i don't sure about this generation. i mean, herana, there's been a coo and hey g, whilst all this is going on doing a plan damage and the disturbances that are expected this summer in britain. i mean, yes, young people link all this together. i really hope so. i mean, we were news away and we kind of knew was going on around the world, i mean, as

a tool to sweat. because so many singers spoke about and related new stories about what's happening in mozambique and go to south africa and so on. when people today they don't really oh, where it was going on in how you see not as much as i was aware about. know. so my goodness. in ireland, when i was a young man, one knew about that we complain about it and so on. duty or might say, hey steve, the youngest and say look, what's going on here. and it reminds me actually with scott president, ravens invasion of i think it was. and again, to be on that they had to do that. but it's always been to have isn't it would be kind of relations stalking over the younger junior nations thinking that they can do what they like,

we've impunity. and sometimes it comes back to them in the was in the start and so for and so you know, we have to be careful here. well, they are trying to achieve and this should be encouraging for them. what to do and well inquiry is. beatrice stopped in british role. the british role in iraq, afghanistan, and register war crimes. the eighty's though, i mean there was the i m f back james cal am in labor and then they had my word to was an avowed socialist against sharing those eighty's. that sort of period we have a kiss tom or who championed overnight chords for activists. after the uprising following the dugan merger by police 10 years ago. you think it's difficult. we have crescent dick you mentioned earlier than from the metropolitan police, who apparently was one of the main offices behind sean shout. menez is who is shot dead by police and kiss tom who is the c b s person there who didn't continue

. the prosecution, and it was, it was it's scarce tama the neighbor, the opposition leader who says 10 year sentences for war, memorial, vandalism, presumably referring to some stature. e. this taken down recently is a much less hope now. then there was back for me personally. yes. because i do not believe question to be to be in position, especially off of the murder in the oh man outside. so well to say she should not be in place. i mean it was cold and flat. she was cold decision making. and when we go install labor for food, but still have trust me and i mean just the other day it was due by le collins and boys johnsons for his multitude lives in collins. and yeah,

it started. so we go back. and so i really don't think he's a strong man. we need to confront because i was in some whole into account. i mean, even boys, johnson himself, he won, said a few years ago. africa will be much. it was sitting charge for me. that is incendiary. is blaine to races, statement and yet hardly anybody, even new supporters called about to count for that. but you seem to get away with it. i know it's going to challenge him on it and he has is why we west and as always be the case in the u. k. and so when we come in and so on, they not only have to for, i think, also talked about why is wing press on the daily telegraph the, the times and so on. and that's in case too much of a mountain to climb. johnson would say he was defending muslim women to whether

nicole and obviously he didn't have his lying with alex. we don't. thank you. thank you very much. that's it for the show. when we back on saturday, 5070. as the us president johnson signed the false flag, gulf of tonkin resolution paving the way to tens of millions dead wounded or displaced through vietnam low. and can bo due until then keep in touch my social media and let us know what you think the issues raised by the killing him, doug and 10 years ago have been late arrest. ah, ah, i the who's

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