fx on hulu, around the cape, good hope to introduce our friend covers. kevin mchale. how are you? i'm well, how are you doing? i'm just a young kid with a j boat. it's. it's interesting that your episode called embargoed has done so with all the information about it, but i will tell you before on i cannot even watch this american horror story from the artwork. and indeed, today i was trying to watch the trailer for the new season and somebody and somebody called rubber woman. yeah. she's scared to head. i watch read 30 saying this gets in my head. i can't get out. are you easily creep audible? scary. yeah. i don't watch the shows either. i tried to watch the 1st american horror story, and that was, i was just telling you how the 1st season that they shot it. they shared a stage with glee and i made ryan take us over there. so maybe i be able. ready to be able to get through it, like show me the rubber man is creative names showing me the house in the blood,

but it didn't help know these things terrify me. yeah. they're, they're such, they're almost stylized the point of russia. yeah. maybe i'm mispronouncing fetish . i think you're right, that sounds right, but you know what i mean that they do it so well? yes. the artwork on the one sheet for god's sakes, i want to ref x one day for some piece of business. as i walked down the hall is getting anxiety just looking at their lobby board for each of the season. they've got that down over there right now. i think ryan called me earlier this year and he was like, what are you doing. busy it's 11 pm and i just put my kids to bed and now i have to write about murders. so how, how do you do this and then go to sleep at night. i don't know. he's a vampire. i don't think he sleeps. i think that's healthy in a way to be a listen. a lot of people watch these things. i don't think demarcate, but i think i guy like murphy can truly balkanized these things. yeah, i do have borders. i were talking to clive, whatever, barker,

or whatever. his name pinhead, that the hey, and i should, she's just that image is so disturbing when that 1st came into your head. did you freak out and he could see it meant nothing to him in that way. right. and that's why he's probably able to write it. so yeah, you're right. the rest of us are terrified. yeah. but they can just say ok, i got a good idea here. i think when i 1st some murphy's work and what a prolific guy when i think he's done the buddy davis, joan crawford thing. the 1st time i see it. i remember thinking on nip tuck thing. oh, this is tv tv. change so much. yeah. yeah. that was the 1st breakthrough for me when he, when you're sitting with them, just chatting. cras service, amiable blow crazy firing on all cylinders at all times, or just a regular joe and away not regular is firing. and also you can literally see the cylinders moving, the wheels turning in his head the way he would use or sometimes come in. now like the scene we're about to shoot and rewrite it on the spot and he would make it 10

times better. it was originally written and that's how he is all the time. i don't know how he does that, but i guess that's how you build the empire. he has or you can have 80 shows on it at once. yeah. but i think that sort of mind firing when you're 18 to 20, to probably scares the living you. right. and i think at some point you got to see a shrink or figure out some trick in your head. i'm not saying ryan murphy at all, but i'm just said get it out. if you're working like that, you go, i gotta get company with this in some way and figure this out and then you can go on and build a king. right? but at 1st you property, why or yes, that probably tracks. yeah, i think that sounds right. well, he certainly has an eye for dallas to look at that glee room. i know there's travail scott, anytime young people are presented with quite regular the lives of pharaohs using these young people nowadays it just, it gets weird but also such and i,

i for who's good at what was your initial thing like did you go in where you're daunted, what did he read you was getting the gig, i mean one of the test was the 1st time actually spoke to him, but he came into testing for a tv show anyways, my nerve wracking, horrible thing. but he came in and was very calm. is like, you guys are nervous dumping over, we're more nervous than you are, which was nice. didn't really help. but yeah, he and hindsight would, you know, would tell us like, i knew immediately that it was you and you and you. and so he can just or yeah, now you got to cool completely imagine the character was like, well, you could have told me that a couple weeks earlier. so i wasn't stressing, but i don't think they know how to be. there's a couple status. i haven't read from many things, but i look back a couple of more sadistic couple who are probably so insecure that they've seen being power mad. yeah, a lot of them were nice though. i think they could sense how unnatural it was. because is there a you talk about being trained by the shows folks,

when they open that room and you go in there 6 people to table know, look it up. it's terrible for that. it was the 2nd edition was about 15 people. let's take the last supper on the outside of the table. why? it went from being just the cast and director in the 1st edition to about 15 and the 2nd one. and i was just out of high school like i would like a job please. i am broke and then you go into test and you go to the network and it's fox had this big fancy room and they had different levels of people. everybody in a suit and like not giving you anything. and so it was nice that ryan and brad and, and who had created the show were being overly friendly to sort of offset the the suits. yeah. but yeah, it's not a normally welcoming environment. i remember i used to always, they obviously think of people in the crowd is nude when you're public speaking. i used to always look at the if there were 15 people that i had assumed that 11 of them were associate producers barely hanging on. almost there's yes men writing

right off the shoulder of players gone. yeah. yeah. yeah. waiting literally waiting for them to hatch their innermost opinion before they even can see. that's exactly correct. and now i know that at the time i didn't god, i remember was still that now, early the just start, you look so alpha. now what do you know? 30, i'm 33. rather. you know, you can still 8 pounds and make it a young young your face when you 1st start and i my sister going, my sister was an agent in dallas. and so i convince her to let me go on an audition . she was very against it for commercial. yeah. commercials and then i liked it and she's like, ok, fine. and i just started doing commercials around texas and then started coming out here. and when i moved out here, i went to high school and i had a life out here and then made it a lot easier to do the whole acting music stuff. if i, if i find anything out,

i think you have to be nerveless. when you're done, they smell sweat, you know, in a weird way, the thing that you're most, you're most nervous, but you have to quell that in some way. and they, i think they give you credit for being ingenious enough to qual, yeah. and then you have to be indefatigable. yeah, you're literally it's, it's in dignity. he turn you every day. so hard to get a job because to find that correct balance of those things that you just said is near dam impossible. but every now and i have terrible nerves. so every now and then you break through and do something, right. did you ever me a moment where you got more on your side? i remember i was doing, let them in the 1st time standing back behind the curtain scare nash every thought my head was, you know, be able to do this right. like this, back to square one. and for the 1st time in my life, the mental cavalry showed up where i had another voice. so you know, i am so sick of you, my whole life getting in the middle of these moments you can wine after and if i

don't get it. so be it you are right. yeah. shut up. i'm going to go kill it. i thought, wow, where did that come from the job of your champion? come to the for high. yeah, i have a couple of times for glee. we went on tour and there was a couple times before, like our 1st show where i was just, what are we doing? we, we put the show together in 2 days. none of us know what we're doing. it's not just me like this is all going to fall apart. and then that voice comes in like stop talking. you know how to do this. you're doing the same stuff you've been doing for the past 3 years, like, you're fine. don't think you know how to do it, just go like stop talking and think it worked. who would tell me about some of the other people. how's the the girl who blew me out with her performance when she finally say, listen, i'm 67. i don't get a lot of it, you know, just because of chasm. i shouldn't get it up. i'm getting all screwed for the people's men. for she finally signed the me one of my blanking on

her name. she finally sang at the grammys, which she on the show glee. oh demi. yeah. she was, she came on and susan, 3 or 4, she went to bells in real life. but then i saw her at the grammy. yeah, 2 years ago. yeah. you were there and i was just sitting on. wow, i have the other taxes. yeah. and then my friend who works in the writers office. i was like your friends here. like ryan, what are you doing? let's get get her out of the office. does your sister upper no, none or no, but we want to like the same singing coach out small, small world. but she obviously has like the greatest voice on the face of the match and killed it just bears her soul. she's incredibly talented. well, when i watched with the night, i thought, oh my god, i got her encapsulated in my head, in this same group of mosque of tears, all that thing, you know, where every 2nd kid and she sang. who said that stephen tyler? i wrote a couple people who just said, well, you're kidding. yeah,

it was glad to get up there, especially after everything she had been through and in front of that room of people. and to do that, it was that takes that voice in your head being, i can, you can, you can do this, you know, when i read some of your notes, but are some codes from you and i was struck by your pragmatism. it seems to me the one you're in the middle of these things. glee like for kids and a taco event, all of a sudden it's the biggest thing and the culture all the sturm und drang, all the services in between. you seem pretty pragmatic. you just, you dug, being on the shelf at right now. yeah. it was pretty much it. i had a great time. i, i think having sort of the family i have and i started more so in the music business in music because this is really rough and crazy and i think anything compared was rougher and crazier than the tv. yeah. because listen, like if you're an actor, you have a union to protect you and things like that. music is just like good luck. i was in

high school. ready and i be going to the recording studio until 3 am becoming back to do finals and things. so it was a different, different world. but i, at some point especially like my friends are big. you realize what's happening right now. and so i had people around me to remind me to be like, hey, this is not normal, this is absolutely insane. this will never happen again. you need to be in the moment. so i think after the 1st couple of years of all the wildness, everything being new and shiny, i was able to step back and drive to the gates at paramount studios. like this is not normal and it's really damn cool that this is. yeah, i want to give parents can give their kansas say, yeah, not only do they equip them with new shoes, they make sure that they're sitting on feet of clay. they keep, i mean, i guess i hope, you know, as a parent, i imagine you hope to do your best hope the kids don't disappoint you. i tried and tried to do my best. they're all,

they're very level headed and they my whole family mapping around if i ever got to it. well, that's a great best thing that can happen in this business because you're getting over praised and those 15 times you kind of get sheepish yes or blush on whether i saw you with your m. thank you, but yeah, it's the easiest. i think the sooner you can recognize or like compartmentalize those things, the better you will be mentally doing that you have people who are doing their jobs, who are taking care of you all day. you don't have to lift a finger. i know, and i don't know 100 people go crazy when they're unemployed or out. you see actors who the media like, oh they lost their mind like well, it's been 15 hours a day, being catered on and being told you're the greatest thing on the face here. so how could, how could you not, if you don't have a port system to? yeah, i think back around there i found itself in an odd way. like for instance, my test cases always sean penn. i know something shot and drives me crazy. but i

realized i went into the bubble when he's probably 13. i saw him in a film called bad boy for martin, and we'll do the way back with the sy morales but kids in prison. and it was great . you know, you're looking at them. you're saying, oh my god, he's got he is just post you berrigan, he's already got chops like gene hackman. and then you realize when i read his essays today, they're almost childlike, and they exactly replicate when he went into the bubble. but they're so well intention that i'm now a number of, i'm think, one diamond a muddy pit and haiti food, please. yeah. why? and yeah, it's are plenty how the long run levins your rough edges and takes you back to kind to who you are. and what you got parents there are setting up. it's like a little joke about my parents know how to hit my buttons because they installed. when your parents are hitler, right? yeah, you at least got a nice default. all right, well i'm taking my time with kevin mchale. we're going to come back and talk a little more about this, the spooky show. we can't tell us much, but we'll,

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and he is best known for playing already. abrams like pd, parker and spidey r d. abrams on fox is his show. glee also made appearances on the office, so he went to one and he now has a role in an episode called the the embargo or f american horror stories anthology series and the horror stories series is currently streaming exclusively on l. hyphen x l. hyphen x on hulu. how long is the gig when you go in to do an episode, they should knock them off in a week or 2 weeks? yeah, there's too stressful for day weeks. i mean, it was not a fun game, especially with horror stories. i think unlike the regular horror story as it feels like campy or and bigger, they're leaning into sort of the yeah, this this horror camp of at all. yeah. i did. it tells from the crypt moving once

and i got on it and i get it. this isn't this seems to be scarier. but that that tells you the crypt thing eventually became their own form of entertainment like ghoulish camp or something. yeah, i remember they were, they were almost encouraging you and subtle ways to the script to not take it all the way and the lead people in on that you knew it was quite reach that point there . i don't think so. i think the episode i'm and in particular is like that because of the nature of the characters are playing and you talk too much, don't do much. i mean, i'll tell you anything you want to know. i know they don't like you to talk, you know, like you want our characters to die basically. so when you have, when you need to play awful people. yeah, it makes it, i think more fun to just i'm going to be as do she and as unlikable as possible. and then the audience will really feel rewarded when we get murder. hopefully your

at your demise will do their devise and others, whatever it takes. now listen, you've obviously got the pipes because you're in a boy bad. and i'm wondering, tell me about this boy band experience. i look at it and you talk about going into bubble. it seems like paramilitary, there's always a guru guy you got to. your parents got to bed is not a whack job. yeah. but how was the experience for you? glee was fun for you. how was the ban? i feel like the band was really great training for glee and anything else afterwards. what age were training wheels like 15 through 19, basically during the whole high school room and learning to you know, we go in front of record labels or management and so you're dealing with adults you doing with powerful people. you're going to recording studios, dan rehearsals, all the things that we end up having to do on glee. but glee was like the

successful version of the boy was not successful, but it was an incredible learning experience. they even care if you all get along or is that not part of it? way down on the list of reasons the bands put together. i don't know. we cared if we got along or not. so like we made an effort and we were just kids. so we would hang out all the time because we had the same shared goal. well, that's cool. yeah. so that was good and i'm still friends with them minutes. well that's why i was in a lot of adults are sometimes happy accident. you can't plan that, but it ended up being really good experience. you know, it's funny and i'm not, i don't mean to make a blush or anything, but you get into that room where the guys are in the you're in the bumper together . yeah, i always read those great old beetle stories where they'd get to new york and they wouldn't even they would just sit up in the placid smoke because the whole world react to that as the ultimate catalytic factor. and they said we just sort of

needed to be normal and take. yeah. that mean we, i mean, the boy band was not any sort of glamorous experience. like we were in a 1800 cruise america van. following the pussycat dolls on tour and opening for them and we had no heat in the middle of winter and like pittsburgh. so that wasn't, that was nature was taking out of us. but for glee, it was sort of like that where we couldn't leave our hotels on tour and things like that. and we would somehow, you know, keep each other had it. i always love that aspect. the show business i messed but might be a glutton for punishment. but i oh, i always thought this can be such an intoxicant. i love the fact that i have to enter through this hallway that has all the food carts in it. oh yeah. and not so much garbage. the amount of places you interested, the kitchen in the back and you're walking through piles of garbage. yep. yeah, i love, i thought it was a good karma and a way to be humbled by the road. and i remember being a niagara falls once doing

a gig, and i probably, if i told the short story of the show before, i pull it out. but it's my quit essential roadster is playing. the agger falls by window open in my motel room, and i was taking a shower, and i could hear the falls. i mean, we were that close to outside, to slanderous, and i had no water pressure on the shower. i can hear the water. i can't get anyone to come out of the shower. the road isn't fumbling, humbling mistress. yeah, we call home gets character building. thanks. mom and dad doesn't feel like that. all right, so you got boyfriend, dallas, and then you get to make the, the step out here and who helps you? somebody in the family come along or do i'm the young mister for kids and my siblings are a lot older than me. they were off, some of them married the youngest one, it was in college. and so my parents are like, let's get out of texas. they weren't huge fans in texas. and so they, we moved out here. i went to high school and then once i turned 18 and was making

enough money to support myself in the music stuff, they're like, it's too expensive. we're going back to that mom, dad, as i all right, i have to live in my own now. i guess i should learn how to drive. now listening when you do something like that, the boy bent it's steady work for a while and there's a shirt horizon lied, but you're working hard and you're emerged and above them. then you're in something like glee, and it's the best of both worlds. you get a steady gig to show up and it's the biggest hit in the culture at some point. now is, are you more into a peace male thing? are you looking for another regular gig or do you like the free agent thing where you show up and do an episode of american horror stories where yeah, right now, what would you like to do? i get all, you know, i think that like growing up i always did music and acting and mean people were like, we had to choose one and i never did and i won't ever. and so i think whatever opportunity presents itself, i like having a regular gig,

having the familial aspect of the crew and the cast and everything that is a really great and i think special experience and this sort of weird business that we do. but showing up, especially for horror stories were and that particular case there, a lot of the crew were glee crew. and so it was nice and homely pop in and say hi to everyone. and it's fun because you can just sort of go gung ho for 2 weeks. and that's it. can you leave it and hope it works? i don't know enough of your history. have you done broadway with? i haven't. broadway seems terrifying to me. you know. but what a great thing to shoot for. yeah, 33. yeah. if hit the ball out of the park and a couple things in your thing and work and i go for a kid with music and acting. what a great next stack. yeah. you know, the people who knew broadway that the special special, super talented community and i envy them. i think it's, i'm a friends with a lot of broadway actors and what they can do is astonish. i'm just always sort of

an odd of how you can do 8 shows a week, especially if you're singing every like, i don't understand it. maybe i will do some point. i don't think you can intellectual eyes from the outside. i can't think of more intoxicating sanctum sank tor. somebody was musical chops and some acting chops than to get in that world where they have those luncheons even on, even on your day off. you want to be in that scene. i've had friends do it and i could see how alive they were. look at tom x, tom hanks, one of the biggest stars we have and when he did that broadway play about the newspaper reporter could just see. he was like the rookie there, but yeah, show into it. it was such a healing world. so you're saying i should go tomorrow and i think you'll be drawn their point inexplicably, my family wants me to do it. they've been like, jabbing me to go and do it, but we'll see. yeah, well listen,

you don't have to go in cold now. and i, i understand if your kid they give you the, you know, you watch a great opening scene from all that jazz where they're all up on stage loosen. there's just like, right, right. you think what a hard route all the sarah get a plane reps like seinfeld said. you exhibit a limp. they feed on you. it's sure that you're testing your game against the bus last year a convivial can. i can tell you, go in there, knock it out of the par. yeah, i'll call you before i. you can give me a pep talk. i'll go in with your fly. let me tell you about the perfect well as we appreciate you coming in and once again the show folks is the anthology series, american horror stories, they're doing singular episodes this year. and i know in the past that seems they've had an interconnect. the story like throughout the season, maybe i'm wrong or but i think that's the way it works. and now american horror story series is currently streaming exclusively on f x on hullo, who?

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