un secretary general until you get some more coming up in today's going underground . but 1st, while israel arguably continues to define international law, accused of war crimes, nature, nation media and birth. johnson's government is vowing a response to iran for crimes. the islamic republic denies all this as x, and i say drone whistleblower, daniel hale is sentenced 2 years in jail. the 1st major espionage act conviction in the us under president joe biden. joining me now from st. louis in missouri is a ca, whistleblower convicted. the revealing us daddy tricks against iran, jeffrey sterling, author of unwanted spy. jeffrey, thanks so much for coming back. oh, and i should just say before we get to daniel hale, we bar johnson. it's his word against the president raising of iran's word about what happened in the gulf of amman in the, in the persian gulf. i mean, how, how much should we trust the authorities when they talk about iran, given your experience to see a jesse tricks against the country?

i think you should question anything coming from a polluter? i don't think anything has been done to de escalate any of the tensions in the region. so therefore there are going to be, i guess you call it a flash point without knowing who is to blame or who actually perpetrated the action. but the west has done nothing, i believe 2 ways, any of the tensions in fact i've been, we've been actually escalating the tensions in the area. and i think it shows a result of that. and with the new administration coming into iran, more hard line administration, i think there may be more instances like this, unfortunately, but at least the pensions will increase. and i mean, when we read in the newspapers or watch on tv and they quit and ornaments sources

or sources telling them, i mean, do you think that they're innumerable compliant journalist for the see a brief one thing about the c a. they are certainly protective of their image, so they're going to be out there within the media. i think as a checkpoint and to be able to make sure that if anything is spoken about that it's done in a more positive life, whether they are actually taking, being at the forefront making statements. i'm not sure about that. but especially with the major media outlets, the stance is going to be position more favorable to those in power if you will. yeah, i mean, these anonymous officials always give information to other programs. they replied to request for information before, but never seem to give me any secrets or anonymous intel i, i don't know why that could be how lease official leaks are.

ok, but least that are not smiled upon by administration. are essentially talking about the same thing. why is that if information reaches the press in an official capacity. so many times regarding iran during the obama administration about the programs against iran. if they're released by a government official leased by a government official, then those kind of leaks about to make the government look good. least showing b abuse of power, of government or the wrong doings by government. those certainly embarrassed in a government and they are going to retaliate to try and stop that. governments like information released as they like to release. not as the citizens they are supposed

to represent. want to hear it. yeah, i mean, i'm sure, i mean, many people may just think that's, that's obvious. now, of course, daniel hale told us about how men, women, and children were being killed and blown to bits by drones. and how the us authorities relying effectively about it. what was your reaction to him being prosecuted on the espionage act and being sent to prison for years? again, my heart folk, the again mark in the notch of the weapon that is the espionage act, as it's being used or misused by our justice system. here. i guess tom can say 45 months in prison. it's not that much time. my mom 42 any day. any moment in prison is much too long for telling the truth and my heart goes out to daniel. i know exactly what he's going through. standing there in front of the

judge, not knowing, knowing that your faith is in this person's hands and not knowing really what this person is going to say. or what, how are they going to condemn you? is a very harrowing experience and it's hard to really grasp, especially when you're standing there before a judge in prison for doing the right thing. it's hard to grasp the reality of that or have it makes sense for you is a very sad day for me when i faced that situation. and i know the sad day for daniel, at least i had the benefit that i, you know, i was in my street clothes before that judge. daniel is the cause he's been confined. he was in the prison jumpsuit, which just adds to the distress of the entire

experience. as far as the legal context. his lawyers cited your case and that of john curiosity, who formerly also of the ca. how do you think that affected the sentencing was as you have you, in fact created the precedent for sentencing to jail for telling the truth? yeah. it's only known as this mark and i don't want any was i know the cleans council during the assigned edition proceeding cited my case as a benchmark for the type of sentence that he could face if he was guilty of violating the jack. i trial like persecution was a travesty of justice. and, but i also think that i was accused. daniel hale is essentially being a traitor to the united states and of all the meanings that will go

along with that, trying to essentially destroy the country. yes. after my expense, after a trial, the judge gave me 40 some months at some. if this is so serious, avaya lation of the why would a judge only get a 40 to month and then daniel, case 45 months. i think they see the following. on how the f b allows act is being used to retaliate against individuals who release information that is embarrassing to the us will say i receive 40 to daniel received 45. maybe they're starting to go back up the prosecutions in both instances certainly wanted many more years. i believe they want to 9 years for daniel. and for me i was facing 10 years for each of the 9 counts that i was charged. people can look up the case

as are gods, dirty tricks and nuclear weapons parts to iran. julian this on, did you say, i mean he's facing 175 years and it was a british judge, a magistrate who said, it's just not safe. you're due to your prison system for him to be there. how just reminders, how you are treated and what you fear about the treatment for daniel hale because you filed 3 complaints when you were in prison. house have is daniel hale right now in the u. s. prison he's probably still in the alexandria jail, pretty much in terry confinement, but prison system in general. i merely, i'll place the warehouse bodies and medical treatment is laughable. mental health treatment, which i know will be important and crucial for daniel in prison because he's suffering health problems. he suffers mental problems. now, what i was in prison and struggling mentally because this is really horrible.

mental experience to go through as well as i was reaching out for help. i realize that the so called health professionals are pretty dismissive of anything. and at one point i would threaten with being put into solitary if i didn't just come around just snap out of it. and if you want to put me in solitary to worse than my mental condition, because i'm actually trying to reach out to you for help with my mental condition and but that's what daniel was going to face. they will put window dressing on it as they did during the proceedings that there will be adequate mental health care. but that is absolutely not the reality of prisons in this country. no more. as i said, no more than warehouse individuals are just numbers and you are treated as pretty much non 1st. well, i mean, if you will not be,

if your lawyers hasn't succeeded in persuading the authorities about your hot condition, do you think you'd have died of a heart related condition without that war victory you had when you were in jail? i think that's very much the case that i would have. i was actually terrified that i would die in that desolate place because the health care that i deserved the whole care that i by law, i was entitled to being denied to me. and it took us senator to inquire at the prison for me to receive health care. a lot of that, and most of that will state base to all of my supporters. so arising the prison by rising politicians and especially my, my strong, lovely wife. now how many people in us prison have that sort of support? when i was there, it was routine for someone to die. there was, it was a routine for someone did i have a heart attack? and usually if you have a heart issues in the prison,

i was that the answer that i received on several occasions was drink more water. i've never known a heart condition to be alleviated with a prescription of water. but that's the type of health care that their health care and mental health care, danny will receive imprison. well, as julian assigns, he goes on being tortured according to the to the un. as daniel, as david contrast, the former head of the ca league secrets for his book, it was lovely. always, he didn't go to jail. do you think that the reason we're not getting more whistleblowers recently from the intelligent service? i mean, just look what's happening in afghanistan, the disaster that's happening there. we don't seem to get any until leaks which was, is because people like you, daniel hale, juliana science, curio who john carry out the jailing, the working deterring truth. tell us why they're using the espionage act as

a hammer, as the biggest threat that they can come up with to use against, with a lower. anyone interested in standing up against government, wrong doing the message, they send you to send the same message. this is what you will face, not many actually go to trial and put the government to task on that because they use that as such a threat. and maybe that can be one of the reasons why i think there will always be with the growers. but i think especially in this country, we also see different sort of justice system, especially when it comes to national security. daniel have received 45 months in prison and the government really didn't have to show any damage on the espionage. i think just have to claim that reveal national defense information. well, be january 6 terrorists. that storm the capital are not considered a threat to national security and they are only being charged. those individuals

who have been charged with misdemeanors. the 1st individual received a month in prison for storming their capital and also only be in charge of the misdemeanor i. the differences here are astounding and quite disgusting with regard to justice benefee just as soon as country which is not justice at all . jeffrey selling, thank you. thank you very much for helping me out. after the break. we all condemning global farmers to poverty and the nutrition is corporate piracy reign supreme. we speak to the woman who doubles as bill gates, ally, and un secretary general envoy ahead of new york un food system from it all, the more coming up about to have going on the ground. what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy. even front

ation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. developments. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. a very critical time. time to sit down and talk the other stuff and then need to talk to the job. someone will actually be able to pay more than that for job when i'm in a position where you may need questions on it for me on what you want to

do about what we're doing today, ma'am, but it was yankee, i got to know how to choose you can put in the office me quite a bit as long food. one me to tell you the other hand that why would you need that? because that quote, should the welcome back. new york un food system. some, it stops in a matter of weeks in a drive to transform the world's food systems for the next decade. and his global hunger is set to rise by a 3rd this year with millions more on the brink of famine, due to climate change. what can we expect to join mean africa, guardian. rwanda is the un secretary general, special envoy to the summit, and president of the alliance for green revolution in africa, dr. agnes calabasas. thank you so much, agnes for coming on. will tell me about what this summit will mean for africa in the world. so thank you so much for having me. the summit over night is that we

have a number of places, number one that we have behind on. it's the just the sustainable development goes. number 2, the some 2 companies is that food system that is supposed to deliver gifts, hunger gifts, to deliver for nutrition, actually contributing to climate change and contribute to the most fucked by diversity loss. so it's not just about food, it's also about these other issues. so really what to expect is we need to coordinate that we need to come to on foot and equity for people, but we also need to come to an environmental issues that would be due to climate since the fact that would contribute one 3rd of emissions to climate says is something we cannot overlook at this point in time. i mean obviously as you have a country increase food bag usage, the united states has upwards of 40000000 who cannot eat tonight without food stamps. why don't they just in africa do what you facilitated when you minister and

miranda, the policies you enabled cause may that put to quadruple rice to double. why don't you just do that? i mean what, why do you need to make some it at all? so it's, so that's a very good question. so number one, different countries need to put the systems in place just like we didn't run that we need to work on putting systems in place that allow for most success, improve said to be able to double, you know, from a success, all the input systems that you know, for example, in the western world, we know days we take for granted. and what we are working on is to show that those things that the rest of the was noted for granted become available to africa from us so that they can be productive. and those things include inputs, but they also include markets and functional markets include access to those markets include access to find most of which is a major deal for african countries. so those are the challenges that are holding the content book. but now we also need to talk about climate change and what

climate change is doing, pulled this from us, that we're beginning to come out of poverty because of use of agriculture. and because of good to use the cut to do it anymore because out of every 3 months to a field doesn't have a lot of calamity. yeah, i'm not sure. i mean, obviously under nourishment though, joining those years when you administer went from 1300000 to 4400000. doesn't that show that actually crop yield? as a metric is not a particularly good one when it comes to food systems. i mean, you and your, i mean you failed at the alliance for a green revolution in africa. if you missed the target by 70 percent, understand in, in the countries the focus group, countries in africa. so 1st thing, 1st to both lender and increasing numbers of hungry people. wonder, i don't know where you get to your debt. i don't know what you're reading, but if i go with the global index report, which was producer on to 2012,

20131 that it used to show level by 50 percent. and what wonder did was use a foot systems approach, where a number of ministries, a number of success come together to look at why a country like one of the tubs the, to produce food, had to choose number one to should. of course there isn't that many, and i want to go to these, but i'm going to what we did. what we did was, should the be sick, does come to get up and walk to. yes, to show that from a concrete chris, but also looked on the funding this for the farmers and this people, the money noticed and the type of solution that we needed to get to them. sometimes the solutions are not over cultural. sometimes the solutions will social protection and actually helping them where they were. so different cultures have different terms and just and it has to raise it, said it that it has to have a solution tailored to being able to august. i mean,

the figures come via villa campus, you know, you know, the different groups ranged against the summit. what do you make of the hundreds of small scale food produces research and indigenous peoples organizations. the one to complete boycott of this summit in a couple of weeks time. that's an interesting question. first of all, let me call goodness that we have made huge efforts on the secretary general's request to make this a people's submit. we've reached out to people in this enough, people have had 280 dia loops, including about 5000000 people from across 7 regions of the world. we reached out to the producers. we've re shuttle officials. we shall also 2 people. we want to show some private sector including up to similar. i had meeting with him and said last year, the flood general. now this reach out to record promising that every person you and i have a stick in the food system and we need to cover nice, but we need to appreciate that your decisions,

it fucked off with the system. we've tried to include everybody. we will try to not worry about this by doing good. we need every but cook a knife, what they are doing and we need to put to be held accountable for the bed. so dreaded have the composition including topical positions with each other. the look of the, both of the compositions that we must have to fix off with sustain some of those groups say that your organizational, your president offers are basically a front organization that is deliberately trying to stop small holding small farmers in favor of massive chemical companies. obviously, only 2 companies, one center bare and, and dupont control. most of the world's food bill gates, obviously who finance is you? is the largest private farm landowner in the united states. what would you say to

those ations? so private sector and big corporations have been in this business or will always been, this is mr. i've been, they've been if i was blood for a girl response. so let's put those things in context. and bill gets fun so much more than a precocious 50 was 1st law or the pharmacy funds for cnc funds that hosts and all those things, many of which we appreciate where we live from a perspective, we'll get books that have access these facilities. now, putting things in perspective, again, my job is to ensure that the african florida from us have an opportunity to produce in the with that the 7 out of 10 people that live in a culture can actually have productive agriculture systems can, how we yield. i'm not looking for 10 metric tons, particularly we've seen the euro, or even the us, i'm looking for only 5 because with 5 metric tons of reconfirm us can have a livelihood that low 6 kids to school. the most said to the kids to

a clinic that give them a neighborhood, i do want africa from us to be basket kisses. so for me here i have the ability, i have the understanding of what the culture stick to transform society. how, why is it then does, why is it, i mean, obviously the greatest food systems success of recent years is being communist china, celebrating a 100 years of communism in china. i went to eritrea. that's in africa. we have total food security. there was no private sector involvement whatsoever. we know about the success in cuba, se since the revolution in food security. why is it countries that don't involve the private sector? achieve 100 percent food security and all the countries you are involved in, in the grid lines for green revolution in africa. miss they yield targets and lead to massive profit and shareholder value for private multinational corporations. so 1st of all, that's

a personal. but let's go with what you think into a number one, the coach of you called out how the systems of organization, the tallow communities to be able to box if the inputs the time talking about the bottom line there every from, based on the system to put in place every from this, no, not all countries can be your typical queue, but we'll cover up political system that is similar to that different cultures up to the different posts in those different pub, this private sector unstinting the capability to present 16. discussing africa, we're talking about and we're talking about local assemblies, strengthen the capacity of local as sent me, which is what my institution does. look like sidney's, your $100000.00 type of business, your $500.00 type of business, stinson them on. there could be ability to be able to give some us access to inputs . choices of input for the big concrete value is what we do. i don't care what my

son to that's. i don't care what the business oh, to read. that's if it's send me enough to kind of function and for some of the fun, but that's what i'm paid to do. that's what my job is about. and you know, what? if someone knows that you, by the way or even bill gets someone else, provides the opportunity for me to be able to deliver that offer comfortable who to from us. oh, differently to to do it with i should say not just bill gave rockefeller, we made the money for oil and ford foundation, obviously who made cars and we have the international panel for climate change. we also clean and it's also be clear this people don't just support africa. i mean look for a phone dish of dollars. yes, but they supported america. they supported europe, supported everybody else. everybody has grown on their book. why does it become a question when to put in for africa about there's a huge debate about the indirect subsidy to rockefeller and ford foundation. and

that's why there's a call for reparations. that instead of $1000000000.00 grid that your president of, and even the u. n. s, food system summit. this should be reparations paid to africa was stolen from africa. and then those african countries should have food sovereignty over their own countries, like you, gander, has been involved in became faster, has been involved in different countries in africa, not nigeria, notably, have rejected food painting the buying a painting feeds and so on. so that farmers feed is the way forward rather than big multinational creative sheets. but, but again, please put it thinks what has happened, what happened from a career perspective has nothing to do with this. some of the work that we do with the, the rocker, sort of the legs off the phone edition and the liquid bill gets, we'll call a nice that we know they put so colonization. i don't want to go down that route, but let's focus on what, what we can do to support some of the 4 months. and what then when, when should i pick money comes and,

and really the titian is to support african communities to learn. oh, even doped some of the technologies that we can adopt to be able to move forward. again, i'm not said no, my job is to ensure that okay, but i mean, obviously seen the negative in the end, but i mean, we have the international panel for climate change lead ortho on this program just the other day. and he said, we don't really know what war contributes to climate change, the pentagon, the largest emitter, arguably, why would you choose to work with an alleged war? criminal, tony blair, to write an article, building food security during the pandemic. how do you think that scene in the global south to the man was alleged to be a war criminal? and you together a telling the world about food? so i don't know the say the 20, the next him i will criminal. i know the set of 20 bria that talks about development. i go with the side, they know you go with the safety. you know,

we're going to show you the involvement and involvement in the iraq war, the displace killed and michael magician with she has nothing to do with a rock cool micro position with him has everything to do with how moving development fought for can work under the puts that he's his women, he's discussing with us or gotten development forward. i choose to focus on what we can do from a development perspective and what he helps us appreciate. and i'm sure he has done a lot from a development perspective, was with us special envoy. thank you. and that's having the show will be back on wednesday, 49 years to the day. the last of the usa defeated soldiers lead a communist victory and vietnam. and then keep in touch with social media, and don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel and tell us what you think about the u. n's through to someone. ah,

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