me ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross were all things are considered. i'm here about liberals today show their face. the mask is off and what do we see? the new mccarthyism. they are proud of their liberalism and tucker carlson. and his journey in coverage of hungry or what about the liberal establishment will probably never recover the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess,

george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on you too, and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobby. he was a political analyst and editor in a me, internet, media project or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of dimitry. bobby, welcome to the program. and i should to tell everybody for this format, i contact that my 2 guests in this case to be in georgia. and i enquire with they would like to talk about and de me. you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism. why did you send that to me? what caught your eye? and do you think we are really are in error? no. go ahead. i think the main reason is that there's very radical polarize in statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to their police officers. who

fortunately, let the, you know, the insurgence so called insert us into the capitol hill. so these people were given gold medals even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from competing. but the, just the, you know, the, the kind of language that by and used, you know, mobile, which is some terrorist launch the violent and dad list all the people's house and the sacred reach to 35 free. and in the action that the more as me, unfortunately, that doesn't remind me all the way a democratic leader was exec, reminds me of the mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in molly's china or the boot leakers of international capital, a capital fight. if you know that, that we heard from the start and why use such path us, you know, and i think this article about the human caught isn't it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the spectator

that the liberal, a 3 it's, i'm not making any effort to understand why did people vote for donald trump and why? there were so many protests that we didn't get the answer from these people. it was just that they are bad people, terrorists, georgia. i'm glad to be brought up with president biden to say about the events, january 6, correct me if i'm wrong, george. i thought there was a select committee going on in congress. define become to some conclusions. i thought there were other investigations that come because when the president of the united states already has a conclusion, how that out very good point. yes, there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating the events of genuine. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the stakes of these trials, ongoing and likely to last months and months if not years after that correct.

but the deal is actually right. i mean, listen, mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration. it started at the time. donald trump was in the duration of the president. that mccarthyism was very explicitly like the old mac up, which is it accused from the people around from the ages of the kremlin. that was, it was that's agents of the ground. and it was worse even than the old because the, because at least the old mccarthyism had a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the u. s. government who are agents of the gremlins such as x, y, and zone. so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that troubles in the ages of the remnants. and it was poor, cynically to suggest that the man was elected president was actually

a tool of the crime and the crumbling of stolen an election. i mean, so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just that now instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists. so people who are terrorist and nameless, it says you bring up a good point demon. i mean, i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorists back seen deny are. so, you know, everybody is categorized. ok. and it's really a purity test. all of the time. you know, there were some official that said that anyone that could, this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found, she should be repercussions for that. i mean, we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized it's

being criminalized. and it's again, we're not looking at a very small group of people, we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled and designated and know quite lists and things like this. i mean, these are extraordinary measures and it's all because how they want us to use language. what happened on january? we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently it was an insurrection. you get my point. absolutely, and 1st i would like to make it clear that we are on the show we're not against vaccines. we don't know what absolutely. we do not support what prompts people deed on january the 6th, the math that's used against these probably, you know, probably a wrong wrong minded people. i just, you know, i don't want to do more christian. i mean, this article,

this dictate the author lists this example that you just mentioned, you know, make in greek, decides and sense anthony, fall of federal crime. no less. if you criticize dr. voucher, you are a criminal. well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be that the narrative that the peer in american society today, and that's the more disturbing phenomenon. i mean the article in the washington form by dana milbank, it says, history has been written by victors. we should not allow losers to write history. we have these, me, paul, g, dana milbank rights of all the events of january, 16 on the table de terrorist took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s. government, in a deadly rampage. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is, i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots

of mccarthyism. now, i think it was very well appointed by by the frank in his article in the long diplomatic. now it's the specialist, the least in europe. why actually cheer leading, you know, these new mccarthyism? here is what you said, mr. frank curiously. you know, one group of experts who emerged the leaders of the tyria, where experts on eastern europe, where authoritarianism has a long history and russian, the farrier, the areas, this is a known quantity. i mean, these people create and panic criteria. you know, the regular, the book by an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do we talk democracy except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming area, which are an apple really this is, this is the about the article by tom snyder,

the book by thomson or the own period where dusty sees tyranny. but you know, except for his own and the people think like you exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism. and this is really what we have come down to. i mean, it's these liberals that constantly mount the words, democracy and diversity and all that, but they are actually for and not for any of them there actually for submit. and in criminalize this, then it's as simple as that. george, it is a simple as the and we've seen facebook, twitter, google, the most powerful corporations of the world. they can pretty much control all the flow. busy of information on the world working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic body in order to crush political and cross their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who donald trump supposed to be kicked off the platform so that they don't get

a voice. it's also people who have their own views on vaccines. robert f. kennedy junior, he, he felt that they were comfortable, that he's been thrown off know me, will kicked off. you know, we have the wrong, the wrong views on the back seat. you're out. you know, the most most well known public intellectuals, if you agree or disagree with her, i mean my household name if you be books. ok. but what is interesting to me is that when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other highfalutin things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't deserve it. this is their message, and this is why i said repeatedly on this program, this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your

worthy yes or no. yes, exactly. so democracy means that the right people are elected, if the right people another less than it was played in all the democracy. and therefore, we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people, or just simply the gate and say that. so that's what we're, this really wasn't the democracy at all. this was a dictatorship that was stolen by jim or whatever, but that's what you know you get. you have to have, you know, a democracy means electing the right people. it's a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the liberalism. yes. but the demon went georgia saying, if i put it in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive it, and they will find the means for their own self preservation. because that's what this is all about. if you're in the, in group, you're in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this great this year. you know, you get

a want to maintain that. and so these, these trivial things, these what know, things like democracy and voter id, you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who did really determined that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it demon. well, it's true and also look how, you know, the liberal gloss is trying to consolidate. and so, i mean, timothy snyder, when you wrote his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self. i could class, let's feel that we have to defend our interests or not links. we have 2 different read them and all those things. and the, this is really dangerous and in the why and all the article by thomas frank is us liberals old leaves trump ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control

surround him, what will remain and what is really dangerous is the vision of certain narrative. i mean the appeal by dana milbank and he is the article on the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president biden on, you know, journey 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, doesn't mean been crites not low after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with archie. ah ah, ah, ah, the

the other the other stuff. and then you need to talk to someone will actually be able to pay more than that for me when i'm in a position where they need to go to work on it for me. i don't want to do some of our wonderful for for the day join me, but it was easy. i got to know good. how do you they could put me going to

be as long food. i want to tell you the other hand that what you need is that quote the welcome at the cross stuff where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition. to remind you were discussing some real news the the are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. oh, but the most popular cable hosts tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and he met someone that the west revivals, what's your take?

well, i think 2 aspects. so 1st of all, the interview between the victim abandoned soccer golf and is actually a fascinating and everybody should. busy watch it or about an article is a very cogent, intelligent view. all of national relatives of. busy saying, well, nations have a right to determine their own destiny in the light of their own interest, and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what the, you know, we didn't want to do what the soviets ordered us to do. we don't want to do what the brussels wanted us to do. so i don't want that. i was which, which was very interesting. even more interesting was the hysterical reaction in the united states to this interview. it was a foam and a big,

i mean we have somebody like massive lacy as i kind of a leading neo liberal. think it was just speaking them about hungry. you know, this is, this is a rubbish. she stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. think. i think you said rinky think somebody will building but absolutely useless that everything else, you know, very poor doesn't, doesn't do anything anyone, any hungarian was actually worth anything, goes abroad to do it probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the truth is that, oh or bon, the reason why they are so that it was a tiny country. it's just a 1000000 people. they're afraid of. it is that he is presenting animal tonnage, his vision to go to the global is the idea that, you know, there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals. you know, anyone any way can just so you know, tuning,

you know the long wrong and therefore we don't need any nations. you know, that's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically, nations has been the most resistant to all sorts of global is dreams. i mean, by the soviets, where there was then the nazi, whatever. that's why when or by an articulate that this is a nation on national destiny. they know this is a founder of a resistance, and it's a disease that might spread to other nations. george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat, particularly in the media, is that i came across as a very articulate, come straight forward. ok speak english well has a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been make it out to unless he's really putting on an act here. quick reaction to bad dry is as i said, as a stream of the articles. again,

compare that with any america or english conservative, you know, get drug and bars. johnston's was the vision. you really have nothing. i mean, the way you would just be blocked or, and cliches with any, you know, the american center, you know, try to articulate a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're conservative. what do you understand by that? and i remember, oh, well, i believe it so i mean the yeah, to a picture of a to a conservative vision. i mean, and, and he did it very effectively. the interview is very, very interesting. as george said, it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that i'm talking about it's, it's almost impossible really to disagree with. ok. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the altar 1st, they need, you can't listen to it because it is again scripture. you can't listen to anything counter to what our ideology says. that's why they take him so much and,

and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years when he went to 2010, but i think it's been, i think bob, 15 of the last 19 years there's been here's the country of 1010000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to us, not all of them. we know it. if you read the european press on the press control by the you countries or if you're in the american mains compress. poland and hungary, our country is all wide by dictators. you know, these are terrible dictatorships in central europe. the only good thing about them is the poland is very anti russian. hunter is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian table. people are in power. they are the subject they influence and the judge of their suppression. the press. the only thing that the mainstream

prayer doesn't mention is when pro european partners who are in poland, poland what form of my case they suppressed press in the same way as the party of the call. now probably probably leaders. so the same thing with hungary be full organ was in power when jude chinese, the social is for empower. they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and what made the liberals mad them tonight. the state was that oregon was allowed to speak in full usually, you know, actually organize. i think 1st came out about 30 years ago since he came to power. i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the 9, just when western press will let him speak. he was always just quote at all nice quote that you know the same thing with learning and, and why we're american. john is so angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't carpet. you know,

if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more clear with them by than it was important to deny it . and that goes counter they never into you for they have never put in the gate. you know, old and you know, i story, terry and congress are unable to change their leaders and they get more and more detached from reality. in reality, the liberalism mitigate them more and more detached from reality and in america, we now have an american variable. the rest of them, you know, i mean they never point out that are about when selection here. sure, george, you're in budapest now. i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in poland. i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictatorships. ok, so you're in. you're in budapest right now. so you know everyone's waiting with baited breath. george, are you living in a dictatorship?

most the police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. though, of course that was very, you know, there is a breath. i mean, you know, or body is criticized when it's the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or, but it's just simply isn't true. and it's very funny that on the one hand, you know, online is a dictator that you. busy know, don't tell it's erin fargo was a bite and told him the same time yea, election next year or above might be beaten. well, how do you compatible if this is a fascist dictatorship or you know or by might be defeated the next election? i mean, they say the same thing about get open style in there and say, yea, the last in these elections in moscow. i mean, it's all over the course. it is not a day to ship. i love no one who's afraid of the express use. if you live and bought up, as most people here hated, i mean, you know, to, as,

as with most metropolitan citizen in the world never tend to be very liberal. and everyone is, you know, free, free to speak is mine. and they are all pretty much against orbit and hoping that he loses next year. it's not the typical of the rest of the contract. but this characterization is of course, nonsensical. i think going back to demon why. what was also extraordinary? is that due to was fielding questions from american journalists biden wasn't feeling questions from any russian, john orange on the dash and who controls the narrative. so thing with norma was interviewed by the b b. c. when he was going to london recently. and of course the previous year report the throughout the usual, when did you stop beating your wife questions? you know, hey, what about your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely onto these questions. so it's a,

it's very, very different from the treatment that you know, the biting the head of the greatest democracy in the world. i guess what brussels is afraid of. and they, they just can't and confident is that, so a leader not long standing now can be reelected repeatedly, having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels is cannot stand. that's because, you know, because they put them that's not demarc somehow. democracy isn't working if you get that results. okay, which is what it basically it liberal thing to think. ok. and so they have a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about and his electorate, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say, go ahead and, well, george just said in a very right way characterize their democracy. democracy is when the right

democrats, when the elections, if possible, honestly, if not, you will not very want to stay, but we must have the right people in power idea logically right people. this is not a married talker, she's not the best managers look at the sewer from the lion in the european commission. not, not the most professional, don't just the ones who are logically pure. they allowed america to be with several elections. why? because she was a logically bure, when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have your salon or, you know, the former general nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world. medical i'll give america will be the leader of the western world. we show you that these, these are always out to liberalism. it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges, it's actually international. it's been a bad fans. you know, if you follow guys, rules there in the states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will round the world. but,

you know, i think george very rightly noted this contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may, was in the election? well, it's the 1st contradiction that we hear from this people told frank and his article on deformity. but it's very rightly you know, the democrats call to a trump a freshman, and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american history like dropping offensive lead. give you weapons that makes you know, given more money than they never been resolved. what it is, this is a, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go out of time, i have a public service announcement to make cross dock is going on vacation for a month. ok. we're going to be away for 4 weeks. so i'm going to announce my vacation right here right here, and now ok, or i don't want to paint my guess in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers are watching our pc next time, remember,

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