powerful coming up in the show who is the aggressor after israel allegedly attacked syria, iraq and lebanon, britain and the u. s. accused run of terrorism. we speak to ca, whistlebury, geoffrey sterling, convicted revealing, contest plugs against iran, and the head of a t u in somebody's own food and it's a cool decade of action. we are losing one of our 5 a day to corporate interests. when it comes to global food security, we speak to the woman who is both president of a bill gates, finance, food program, and envoy for un secretary general, until you get some more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while israel arguably continues to divide into national law, accused of war crimes, nature nation, meet your birth. johnson's government is veiling a response to iran for crimes. the islamic republic denies. will this as x m. s a drone whistleblower daniel hale? his sentence 2 years in jail, the 1st major espionage act conviction in the u. s. on the president joe biden. joining me now from st. louis missouri is a ca, whistleblower, convicted to revealing us daddy tricks against iran, jeffrey sterling,

author of unwanted spy. jeffrey, thanks so much for coming back on. i should just say before we get to daniel hale, we johnson, it's his word against the president raising of iran's word about what happened in the gulf of amman. in the, in the persian gulf. i mean, how, how much should we trust the authorities when they talk about iran, given your experience to see a jesse tricks against the country? i think you should question anything coming from a polluter? i don't think anything has been done to de escalate any of the tensions in the region. so therefore they are going to be, i guess you call it a flash point without knowing who is to blame or who actually perpetrated the action. but the west has done nothing, i believe to explain to me the sessions. in fact i've been,

we've been actually escalating the tensions in the area and i think it shows a result of that. and with the new administration coming into iran, more hardline administration, i think there may be more instances like this, unfortunately, but it least detentions will increase. and i mean, when we read in the newspapers or watch on tv and they call it anonymous sources or sources telling them, i mean, do you think that they're in human val, compliant journalist for the see a brief one thing about the ca, they are certainly protective of their image, so they're going to be out there within the media, i think as a checkpoint and to be able to make sure. ready that if anything is spoken about that it's done in a more positive light, whether they are actually taking the being at the forefront,

they're making statements. i'm not sure about that. but especially with the major media outlets. the stance is going to be position more favorable to those in power if you will. yeah, i mean, these anonymous officials always give information to other programs. they replied to request for information before, but never seem to give me any secrets or anonymous intel i, i don't know why that could be how late official leaks are. ok, but least that are not smiled upon by administration. are essentially talking about the same thing. why is that if it's done, information reaches the press in official capacity. so many times regarding iran to bring the alarm administration about the programs against iran.

if they're released by a government official leased by a government official, then those kind of leaks about to make the government look good. least showing b abuse of power or government or the wrong doings by government. those certainly embarrass in a government and they are going to retaliate to try and stop that. governments like information released as they like to release. not as the citizens they are supposed to re represent want to hear it. yeah, i mean, i'm sure, i mean, many people made to think that's, that's obvious. now, of course, daniel hale told us about how men, women, and children were being killed and blown to bits by drones. and how the us authorities relying effectively about what was your reaction to him being prosecuted on the espionage act and being sent to prison for years. again,

my heart spoke again. mark in the notch of the weapon. that is the act as it's being used or misused by our justice system here. i guess i can say 45 months in prison. it's not that much time. my mom 42 any day. any moment in prison is much too long for telling the truth. and my heart goes out to daniel, i know exactly what he's going through, standing there in front of the judge, not knowing, knowing that your faith is in this person's hands and not knowing really what this person is going to say or what, how they are going to condemn you is a very harrowing experience and it's hard to really grasp, especially when you're standing there before a judge in prison for doing the right thing. it's hard to grasp the

reality of that or have it makes sense for you is a very sad day for me when i face that situation. and i know the day for daniel, at least i had the benefit that i'm i was in my street clothes before that judge daniel the cause he's been confined with the prison jumpsuit, which just adds to the distress of the entire experience. as far as the legal context, his lawyers cited your case and that of john curio who formerly also of the ca. how do you think that affected the sentencing was as you have you, in fact created the president for centered thing to jail for telling the truth? yeah. it's only been a bit mark and i don't want any. why? because i know the cleans council during the time. tradition

proceeding cited my case as a benchmark for the offense that he could face if he was guilty of violating the espionage act. i, trial like persecution was a travesty of justice. and, but i also think that i was accused. daniel hale is essentially being a traitor to the united states and of all the meanings that will go along with that, trying to essentially destroy the country. yes. after my expense, after a trial, the judge gave me 40 a month if. if this is so serious, avaya lation of the espionage. why would a judge only get a 42 month daniel, case 45 months? i think they see the following on how the f b allows act is being used to retaliate against individuals who release information

that is embarrassing to the us. i will say i receive 40 to daniel received 45. maybe they're starting to go back up the prosecutions in both instances certainly wanted many more years. i believe they wanted 9 years for daniel. and for me i was facing 10 years for each of the 9 counts that i was charged. people can look up the case as are gods, dirty tricks and nuclear weapons parts to iran. julian this on, did you say, i mean, facing 175 years and it was a british judge, a magistrate who said, it's just not safe. you're due to your prison system for him to be there. how just reminders, how you are treated and what you fear about the treatment for daniel hale because you filed 3 complaints when you were in prison. house have is daniel hale right now in the us prison. he's probably still in the alexandria jail,

pretty much in terry confinement, but prison system in general. i merely, i'll place the warehouse bodies and medical treatment is laughable. mental health treatment, which i know will be important and proof for daniel in prison because he's having health problems, he suffers mental problems. now what i was in prison and struggling mentally because this is really horrible. mental experience to go through as well as i was reaching out for help. i realize that the so called health professionals are pretty dismissive of anything. and at one point i would threaten with being put into solitary if i didn't just come around just snap out of it. and if you want to put me in solitary to worse than my mental condition,

because i'm actually trying to reach out to you for help with my mental condition and but that's what daniel was going to face. they will put window dressing on it as they did during the proceedings that there will be adequate mental health care. but that is absolutely not the reality of prisons in the country. no more. as i said, no more than warehouse individuals are just numbers and you are treated as pretty much non 1st. i mean, if you will not be, if your lawyers hadn't succeeded in persuading the authorities about your hot condition, do you think you'd have died of a heart related condition without that small victory you had when you were in jail? i think that's very much the case. that i would have, i was actually terrified that i would die in that desolate place because the health care that i deserve the health care that i by law, i was entitled to being denied to me. and it took us senator to inquire at the

prison for me to receive health care. a lot of that most the battle space base to all of my support. so raj, the prison, by rising politicians and especially my, my strong, lovely wife. now how many people in us prisons have that sort of support? when i was there, it was routine for someone to dot. there was, it was a routine for someone to die of a heart attack. and usually if you have a heart issues in the prison, i was the answer that i received on several occasions was drink more water. i've never known a heart condition to be alleviated with a prescription of water. but that's the type of health care that their health care and mental health care. danny will receive an imprison. well, as julian, his arms goes on being tortured according to the un. daniel. as david contrast, the former head of the ca leaked secret for his book with love always,

he didn't go to jail. do you think that the reason we're not getting more whistleblowers recently from the intelligence service? i mean, just look at what's happening in afghanistan, the disaster that's happening there. we don't seem to get any until leaks, which was, is because people like you, daniel hale, jolene, it's kerry coo junk area. the jailing working the deterring truth. tell us why they're using the espionage act as a hammer, as the biggest threat that they can come up with to use against, with a lower, anyone interested in standing up against government, wrong doing the message, they can you just send the same message? this is what you will face, not many actually go to trial and put the government to task on that because they use that as such a threat. and maybe that can be one of the reasons why i think there will always be whistleblowers. but i think especially in this country,

we also see different sort of justice system, especially when it comes to national security. daniel have received 45 months in prison and the government really didn't have to show any damage on the espionage. they just have to claim that he revealed national defense information. well, be january 6 terrorists. that storm the capital are not considered a threat to national security and they are only being charged to those individuals who have been charged with misdemeanors. the 1st individual received 8 months in prison for storming their capital and the only be in charge of the estimator i. the differences here are astounding and quite disgusting with regard to justice benefits just as soon as country which is not justice at all. jeffrey selling, thank you. thank you very much for having me. after the break,

we all condemning global farmers to poverty and the nutrition is corporate piracy reign supreme. we speak to the woman who doubles his bill, gates, ally, and un secretary general envoy ahead of new york un food system from it's all the more coming up about 2 of going underground. the liberals today show their faith in what you've seen. the new, the current b as they are proud is there a, it's carlson and his journey in coverage. i'm hungry about the liberal, establish the probably never the the welcome back. new york un food system. some, it starts in a matter of weeks in

a drive to transform the world's food systems for the next decade. and the global hunger is set to rise by a 3rd this year with millions more on the brink of famine, due to climate change. what can we expect to join mean african guardian around the un secretary general special envoy to the summit, and president of the alliance for green revolution in africa, dr. agnes calabasas. thank you so much, agnes, for coming on. we'll tell me about what this summit will mean for africa in the world. so thank you so much for having me. the summit recall grenades is that we have a number of places number one that we have behind on. it's the just the sustainable development goes. number 2, the 79 is the food system that is supposed to deliver gifts, hunger gifts, to deliver for bitter nutrition, actually contributing to climate change and contribute to the most fucked by diversity loss. so it's not just about food, it's also about these other issues. so really to expect is we need to coordinate that. we need to come to on foot and equity for people,

but we also need to come through an environmental issues. the top would be to, to climate since the fact that systems contribute one 3rd of emissions to climate says is something we cannot over look at this point in time. i mean, obviously as figure a country increase food bag usage, the united states has upwards of 40000000 who cannot eat tonight without food stamps. why don't they just in africa do what you facilitated when you administer randomly the policies you enabled cause made that put to quadruple rice, to double. why don't you just do that? i mean what, why do you need to make some of that? all? so it's, so that's a very good question. so number one, different countries need to put the systems in place just like we didn't run that we need to work on putting systems in place that allow for most success, improve said to be able to double the yields of form of boxes or the input systems that, you know, for example, in the western world,

we know days we take for granted. and what we are working on is to ensure that those things that the rest of the was noted for granted to become available to africa from us. so that they can be productive and those things include inputs, but they also include markets and functional markets include access to those markets include access to find most and which is a mentor for african countries. so those are the challenges that are holding the content book. but know, we also need to talk about climate change and what climate change is doing. pull this from us that we're beginning to come out of poverty because of use of agriculture. and because of good to use the cut to do 10 more because out of every 3 months to fail, does it have a lot of clements to? yeah, i'm not sure. i mean, obviously under nourishment though, joining those years when you minister went out from 1300000 to 4400000. doesn't that show that actually crop yield? as a metric is not a particularly good one when it comes to food systems. i mean,

you, in your, i mean you, you failed at the alliance for the green revolution in africa. you missed the target by 70 percent. understand in, in the countries the focus group, countries in africa. so 1st thing, 1st you ask both linda and increasing numbers of hungry people. wonder, i don't know where you get to your debt. i don't know what you're reading, but if i go with the global index report, which was producer on 201220131 that it used to show level by 50 percent. and what, what the did was to use a foot systems approach, where a number of ministries, a number of success come together to look at what a country like, what are the tubs the, get it to produce food? how should you numbers one to should? of course there isn't that many, and i want to go to these, but i'm going to what we did, what we did was to show the us come to get up and walk to yes, to show that form of concrete. chris yields, but also worked on funding for the farmers. and this people noticed and the type of

solution, but we need to get to them. some them, the solutions are not that were cultural. sometimes the solutions will social protection and actually helping them where they were. so different cultures have different challenges hudson, that is, it said it that it has to have solution tailored to being able to do the longest. i was, i mean the figures come via villa, campus, hiena, you know, the different groups range against the summer. what do you make of the hundreds of small scale food produces research and indigenous peoples organizations. the one to complete boy caught this summer in a couple of weeks time. that's an interesting question. first of all, let me go nice that we have a mid huge efforts on the secretary general's request to make this a people submit. we've reached out to people in business. people have had 280

dia loops, including about 5000000 people from across civil regions of the world. we reached out to producers. we shuttle fissures. we showed also 2 people. we will show to private sector including up to similar meetings with him and said last year at the flood general. simply not this retail to the confirmation, but every possible you and i have a stick in the food system and we need to coordinate that. we need to appreciate that your decisions, it fucked off with the system. we've tried to include everybody. we've tried to not worry about this, but it's good. we need every but cook knife what they're doing and we need people to be held accountable for their. so drugs have the composition, including topical positions with each other. the look of the, both of the compositions that we must have to fix off with sustain some of those groups. say that say your organizational, your president off is basically a front organization that is

a deliberately trying to stop small holding small farmers in favor of massive chemical companies. obviously, only 2 companies, one center bare and and dupont control most of the world's food bill gates. obviously who finance is you? is the largest private farm landowner in the united states. what do you said? the ac is ations? so this a private sector and big corporations have been in this business or, and will always been this is mr. have been, they've been if i was blood for gross boss. so let's put those things in context, and bill gets fund so much more than a recall to 50 was for small or the pharmacy funds for cnc funds that host and all those things, many of which we appreciate where we live from a perspective, we'll get books that have access the facilities. now,

putting things in perspective, again, my job is to ensure that the african florida from us have an opportunity to produce in a way that the 7 out of 10 people that live in a culture can actually have productive recovery systems. can how we yield? i'm not looking for 10 metric tons by hickory. like we've seen the euro or even in the us, i'm looking for only 5 because with 5 metric tons of reconfirm us can have a livelihood that low 6 kids to school. that's the most sense for the kids to clinic that to give them my neighborhood. i do want africa from us to be basket kisses. so for me here, i have the ability to have the understanding of what the coach 6 transforms the set . why is it then? does i mean, why is it, i mean, obviously the greatest food systems success of recent years has been communist china, celebrating a 100 years of communism in china. i went to eritrea. that's in africa. we have total food security. there was no private sector involvement whatsoever. we know

about the success in cuba, se since the revolution in food security. why is it countries that don't involve the private sector? achieve 100 percent food security and all the countries you are involved in, in the grid lines for green revolution in africa. miss they yield targets and lead to massive profit and shareholder value for private multinational corporations. so 1st of all, that's a description of the but let's go with what you think. anyway, number one, the coaches, you call it out, have the system issues, the low communities to be able to access the inputs, the time talking about the bottom line there every for my based on the system to put in place every form has a fist. now, not all countries can be your typical queue, but we'll cover political system that is similar to that different cultures of chosen different posts in those different pub,

this private sector. and students in the capabilities private sector, this kissing africa we're talking about this is and we're talking about local assemblies, strengthen the capacity of local, sent me, which is what my institution does. look like sidney's, your $100000.00 type of business, your $500.00 type of business stenson them on. there could be ability to be able to give some of access to inputs choices of inputs for that because chris value is what we do. i don't care what my son, what that's i don't care what big business. oh, to read. that's if, if send me enough. i can function and a bit of a forcible or the fun, but that's what i'm paid to do. that's what my job is about. and you know, what, if someone knows that you, by the way, or even bill gets someone else provides the opportunity for me to be able to deliver that offer comfortable who to farmers. oh, differently to to do it with i should say not just bill gave rockefeller, we made the money from oil and ford foundation, obviously who made cars and we have the international panel for climate change. we

also clean and it's also be clear this people don't just support africa. i mean look for phone dish. we don't of dollars. yes, but they supported america. they supported europe, the support that everybody does. everybody has grown on their book. why does it become a question when i'm looking for africa about there's a huge debate about the indirect subsidy to rockefeller and ford foundation. and that's why there's a cool reparation that instead of 1000000000 dollar grid, your president of, and even the u. n. s. food system summit, there should be reparations paid to africa was stolen from africa. and then those african countries should have food sovereignty over their own countries, like you, gander is being involved in quino faster has been involved in different countries in africa, not nigeria, notably, have rejected food painting the buying a painting, seeds and so on. so that pharmacy is the way forward rather than multinational

creative seat. but again, please support it, thinks what is happening. what happened from your perspective has nothing to do with this. some of the work that we do with the custody of the lexus mission on the lake will be will coordinates that we know they put some colonization. i don't want to put on that route, but let's focus on what we can do to support a full month. and what then? when, when should i put the money comes and, and really they fission is to support african communities to lun. oh, even doped some of the technologies that that we can adopt to be able to move forward. again, i'm not said no, my job is to show that. ok, but i mean some of these we always seen as a negative in the end, but i mean we had the international panel for climate change, lead author on this program just the other day. and he said, we don't really know what war contributes to climate change, the pentagon, the largest emitter, arguably,

why would you choose to work with an alleged wall criminal, tony blair, to write an article, building food security during the pandemic. how do you think that scene in the global south to the man who is alleged to be a war criminal and you together a telling the world about food? so i don't know the say to the next him i will criminal. i know the set of 20 bria that talks about development. i go with the side, they know you go with the safety, you know. but let me show you the moment. but it involved in the iraq war. the displace killed michael magician with him has nothing to do with a cool micro position with him. has everything to do with how moving development fought for it can work under the puts that he's he's when he's discussing with us or on dealt with development forward. i choose to focus on what we can do from a development perspective and what he hopes that appreciate. and i'm sure he has

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