who is the aggressor after israel allegedly attacked syria, iraq and lebanon, britain and the u. s. accused run of terrorism. we speak to ca, whistlebury, geoffrey sterling, convicted, revealing, contest going, plot against iran, and the head of a t u in somebody's own food. and it's a cool decade of action. we are losing one of our 5 a day to corporate interest. when it comes to global food security, we speak to the woman who is both president of a bill gates, finance, food program, and envoy for un secretary general, until you get some more coming up in today's going underground. but 1st, while israel arguably continues to define to natural law, accused of war crimes, nature nation, meet your birth. johnson's government is veiling a response to iran for crimes. the islamic republic denies will this as x and i say drone whistleblower daniel hale. his sentence 2 years in jail, the 1st major espionage act conviction in the u. s. on the president joe biden. joining me now from st. louis in missouri is a ca, whistleblower convicted, the revealing us daddy tricks against iran, jeffrey sterling,

author of unwanted spy. jeffrey, thanks so much for coming back. oh, and i should just say before we get to daniel hale, we johnson, it's his word against the president raise. he runs the word about what happened in the gulf of amman, in the, in the persian gulf. i mean, how, how much should we trust the authorities when they talk about iran, given your experience to see a jesse tricks against the country? i think you should question anything coming from a polluter? i don't think anything has been done to de escalate any of the tensions in the region. so therefore there are going to be, i guess you call it a flash point without knowing who is to blame or who actually perpetrated the action. but the west has done nothing, i believe 2 ways, any of the tensions in fact i've been,

we've been actually escalating the tensions in the area. and i think it shows a result of that. and with the new administration coming into iran, more hard line administration, i think there may be more instances like this, unfortunately, but at least the pensions will increase. and i mean, when we read in the newspapers or watch on tv, and they could anonymous sources or sources telling them, i mean, do you think that they're innumerable compliant journalists to see a brief one thing about the ca, they are certainly protective of their image. so they're going to be out there within the media, i think as a checkpoint. and to be able to make sure that if anything is spoken about that it's done in a more positive light, whether they are actually taking the being at the forefront making

statements. i'm not sure about that, but especially with the major media outlets. the stance is going to be position more favorable to those in power if you will. yeah, i mean, these anonymous officials always give information to other programs. they replied to request for information before, but never seem to give me any secrets or anonymous intel i, i don't know why that could be leaks, official leaks are okay. but leave that part not smiled upon by administration are essentially talking about the same thing. why is that is information reaches the press it official capacity so many times regarding iran to bring the alarm administration about the programs against iran. if they're released

by a government official leased by a government official, then those kind of leaks about to make the government look good. least showing b abuse of power, of government or the wrong doing by government. those certainly embarrass in a government and they are going to retaliate to try and stop that. governments like information released as they like to release. not as the citizens they are supposed to re represent want to hear it. yeah, i mean, i'm sure, i mean, many people mainly just think that's, that's obvious. now of course, daniel hale told us about how men, women and children were being killed and blown to bend by drones and how the us authorities relying effectively about it. what was your reaction to him being prosecuted on the espionage act and being sent to prison for years? again, my heart folk, again

a mark and the notch of the weapon that is the act as it's being used or misused by our justice system here. i guess i can say 45 months in prison. it's not that much time minus 42 any day. any moment in prison is much too long for telling the truth and my heart goes out to daniel. i know exactly what he's going through. standing there in front of the judge, not knowing, knowing that your faith is in this person's hands and not knowing really what this person is going to say, or what, how they are going to condemn you. is a very harrowing experience and it's hard to really grasp, especially when you're standing there before a judge in prison for doing the right thing. it's hard to grasp the

reality of that or have it makes sense for you is a very sad day for me when i faced that situation. and i know the day for daniel, at least i had the benefit that i, you know, i was in my street clothes before that judge. daniel is the cause he's been confined. he was in the prison jumpsuit, which just adds to the distress of the entire experience. as far as the legal context. his lawyers cited your case and that of john curio who formerly also of the ca. how do you think that affected the sentencing was as you have you in fact created the precedent for sentencing to jail for telling the truth? yeah. it's only been known as a bismark, and i don't want any was i know the cleans council during the

tradition. proceedings cited my case as a benchmark for the type of friends that he could face if he was guilty of violating the jack. i trial my persecution was a travesty of justice. and, but i also think that i was accused daniel hale essentially being a traitor to the united states and of all the meanings that will go along with that, trying to essentially destroy the country. yes. after my instance, after a trial, the judge gave me 42 months at some. if this is so serious, avaya lation of the why would a judge only get a 40 to month and a daniel case 45 months? i think they see the falling of how the f b allows act is being used to retaliate against individuals who release information

that is embarrassing to the us. i will say i receive 42, daniel received 45. maybe they're starting to go back up the prosecutions in both instances, certainly want to many more years. i believe they want to 9 years for daniel. and for me, i was facing 10 years for each of the 9 counts that i was charged. people can look up the case as regards dirty tricks and nuclear weapons parts to iran. julianna's on to say, i mean, he's facing 175 years and it was a british judge, a magistrate who said, it's just not safe. your judice, your prison system for him to be there. how just reminders, how you are treated and what you fear about the treatment for daniel hale because you file 3 complaints when you were in prison. house have is daniel hale right now in the us prison. he's probably still in the alexandria jail,

pretty much and terry confinement, but prison system, in general, i merely, i'll place the warehouse bodies and medical treatment is laughable. mental health treatment, which i know will be important and proof for daniel in prison because he's having health problems. he suffers mental problems. now when i was in prison and struggling mentally because this is really horrible, mental experience to go through as well as i was reaching out for help. i realize that the so called health professionals are pretty dismissive of anything. and at one point i would threaten with being put into solitary if i didn't just come around just snap out of it. and if you want to put me in solitary to worse than my mental condition, because i'm actually trying to reach out to you for help with my mental condition

and but that's what daniel was going to face. they will put window dressing on it as they did during the proceedings that there will be adequate mental health care. but that is absolutely not the reality of prisons in this country. no more. as i said, no more than warehouses, individuals are just numbers. and you are treated as pretty much non 1st. i mean, even if you will not be, if your lawyers hadn't succeeded in persuading the authorities about your heart condition, do you think you'd have died of a heart related condition without that small victory you had when you were in jail? i think that's very much the case that i would have. i was actually terrified that i would die in that desolate place because the health care that i deserve the health care that i, that by law i was entitled to being denied to me. and it took us senator to inquire at the prison for me to receive health care. a lot of that and most of that

was face to face to all of my support and simple rising the prison by rising politicians and especially my, my strong, lovely wife. now how many people in us prison have that sort of support? when i was there, it was routine for someone to dot. there was, it was a routine for someone did i have a heart attack? and usually if you have a heart issues in the prison, i was that the answer that i received on several occasions was drink more water. i've never known a heart condition to be alleviated with a prescription of water. but that's the type of health care that their health care and mental health care. danny will receive an imprison. well, as julian his arms, he goes on being tortured according to the un. daniel. as david contrast, the former head of the ca leaked secret for his book to his love over it. he didn't

go to jail. do you think that the reason we're not getting more whistleblowers recently from the intelligent service? i mean, just look at what's happening in afghanistan, the disaster that's happening there. we don't seem to get any until leaks, which was, is because people like you, daniel hale, jolene, it's kerry ku junk area. the jailing, the working, the deterring truth. tell us why they're using the espionage act as a hammer, as the biggest threat that they can come up with to use against, with a lower, anyone interested in standing up against government, wrong doing the message they can you just send the same message? this is what you will face, not many actually go to trial and put the government to task on that because they use that as such a threat. and maybe that can be one of the reasons why i think there will always be whistleblowers. but i think especially in this country,

we also see different sort of justice system, especially when it comes to national security. daniel have received 45 months in prison and the government really didn't have to show any damage on the espionage. they just have to claim that he revealed national defense information. well, be january 6 terrorists. that storm the capital are not considered a threat to national security and they are only being charged to those individuals who have been charged with misdemeanors. the 1st individual received a month in prison for storming their capital and also only be in charge of the misdemeanor i. the differences here are astounding and quite disgusting with regard to justice benefee just as soon as country which is not justice at all . jeffrey selling, thank you. thank you very much for having me. after the break, we all condemning global farmers to poverty and the nutrition is corporate piracy

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welcome back. new york un food system. summit stocks in a matter of weeks in a drive to transform the world's food systems for the next decade. and the global hunger is set to rise by a 3rd this year with millions more on the brink of famine, due to climate change. what can we expect to join mean africa guardian. rhonda is the un secretary general special envoy to the summit and president of the alliance for green revolution in africa, dr. agnes calla bonsa. thank you so much, agnes, for coming on will tell me about what this summit will mean for africa in the world . so thank you so much for having me. the summit over night is that we have a number of places number one that we have behind on. it's the just the sustainable development goals. number 2, the sum to cover knives is that all food system that is supposed to deliver, gets hunger against deliver for nutrition, actually contributing to clinicians and contribute to the most fucked by diversity

loss. so it's not just about food, it's also about these other issues. so really what to expect is we need to coordinate that. we need to come to and foot under equity for people, but we also need to come to an environmental issues that would be to, to climate since the fact that that would contribute one 3rd of emissions to climate says is something we cannot over look at this point in time, i mean obviously as you have a country increase food bag usage, the united states has upwards of 40000000 who cannot eat tonight without food stamps. why don't they just in africa do what you facilitated when you minister and miranda, the policies you enabled cause may that put to quadruple rice to double. why don't you just do that? i mean what, why do you need to make some it at all? so it's, so that's a very good question. so number one, different countries need to put the systems in place just like we didn't run that we need to work on putting systems in place that allow foremost success, improve said to be able to double, you know, from a success,

all the input systems that you know, for example, in the western world, we know days we take for granted. and what we are working on is to show that those things that the rest of the was noted for granted become available to africa from us so that they can be productive. and those things include inputs, but they also include markets and functional markets include access to those markets include access to find most of which is a major deal for african countries. so those are the challenges that are holding the content book. but now we also need to talk about climate change and what climate change is doing, pulled this from us, that we're beginning to come out of poverty because of use of agriculture. and because of good to use the cut to do it any more because out of every 3 months to a field doesn't have a lot of calamity. yeah, i'm not sure. i mean, obviously under nourishment though, joining those years when you administer went from 1300000 to 4400000. doesn't that

show that actually crop yield? as a metric is not a particularly good one when it comes to food systems. i mean, you and your, i mean you failed at the alliance for a green revolution in africa. if you missed the target by 70 percent, understand in, in the countries the focus group, countries in africa. so the 1st thing, 1st to both the lender and increasing numbers of hungry people, wonder, i don't know where you get to your debt. i don't know what you're reading, but if i go with the global index report, which was producer on to 2012, 20131 that it used to show levels by 50 percent. and what one to did was to use a foot systems approach, where a number of ministries, a number of 6 has come together to look at why a country like one of the tubs the to produce food, had showed you number one to should. of course there isn't that many, and i want to go to these, but i'm going to what we did. what we did was should the be sick,

does kim to get up and walk to? yes, to show that from a concrete chris, but also looked on the funding before before months. and this people, the term money noticed and the type of solution that we needed to get to them. sometimes the solutions are not over cultural. sometimes the solutions will social protection and actually helping them where they were. so different cultures have different test pages and it has to raise it, said it that it has to have a solution that that's tailored to being able to do it on those. i mean, the figures come via villa campus, you know, you know, the different groups ranged against the summit. what do you make of the hundreds of small scale food produces research and indigenous peoples organizations. the one to complete boycott of this summer in a couple of weeks time. that's an interesting question. first of all, let me call goodness that we have made huge efforts on the secretary general's

request to make this a people's submit. we've reached out to the people in this enough people have had 280 dia loops, including about 5000000 people from across 7 regions of the world. we reached out to the producers. we've re shuttle officials. we shall also 2 people. we want to show the private sector including up to similar, i had meeting with them and said last year, the flood general. now this reach out to the record promising that every person you and i have a stick in the food system. and we need to cover nice, but we need to appreciate that your decisions, it fucked off with the system. we've tried to include everybody, we will close. it said to not worry about this by doing good. we need every but cook a knife. what they are doing and we need to put to be held accountable for the bed . so try to have the composition, including topical positions with each other. the look of the both of the positions that we must have to fix off with system to some of those group say that your

organizational, your president off is basically a front organization that is a deliberately trying to stop small holding small farm is in favor of massive chemical companies, obviously only 2 companies, one center bare and and dupont control most of the world's food bill gates, obviously who finance is you? is the largest private farm landowner in the united states. what would you say to those accusations? so private sector and big corporations have been in this business or will always been, this is mr. i've been, they've been because if i was blood for a girl was born. so let's put those things in context and build, get fun so much more than a precocious 50 was 1st law or the pharmacy fun for vaccines. the funds that hosts and all the things, many of which we appreciate where we live from a perspective,

we'll get books that have access these facilities. now, putting things in perspective, again, my job is to ensure that african florida from us have and will put into produce in the with that the 7 out of 10 people that live in a culture can actually have productive agriculture systems can, how we yield. i'm not looking for 10 metric tons per hicks, like we've seen the euro, or even in the us, i'm looking for only 5, because with 5 metric tons of reconfirm us can have a livelihood that low 6 kids to school that most send their kids to a clinic that give them a neighborhood, i do want africa from us to be basket kisses. so for me here, i have the ability to have the understanding of what the coach 6 can do to transform. so how, why is it? does i mean, why is it, i mean, obviously the greatest food systems success of recent years is being communist china, celebrating

a 100 years of communism in china. i went to eritrea. that's in africa. we have total food security. there was no private sector involvement whatsoever. we know about the success in cuba, se since the revolution in food security. why is it countries that don't involve the private sector, achieve 100 percent food security and all the countries you are involved in, in the grid lines for green revolution in africa. miss, they yield targets and the 2 massive profit and shareholder value for private multinational corporations. so 1st of all, that's a discussion of the fact, but let's go with what you think. anyway. number one, the coach of you call it out have systems will book and they should the low communities to be able to access the inputs that i'm talking about. the bottom line there, every from, based on the system to put in place every form has this, not, not all countries can be your typical queue,

but we'll cover up political system that is similar to that. different cultures up to the different posts in those different pub, this private sector unstinting capability present sick time, just kissing africa. we are talking about assemblies and we're talking about, look to strengthen the capacity of local sent me, which is what my institution does. look like sidney's, your $100000.00 type of business, your $500.00 type of business, stinson them on there could be ability to be able to get from us access to inputs. choices are input so that they can increase the value is what we do. i don't care what my son to that's i don't care what big business so to read. that's if, if send me enough i can function and deliver for small or the fun month. that's what i'm paid to do. that's what my job is about. and you know, what, if someone knows that you, by the way, or even bill gets someone else, provides the opportunity for me to be able to deliver that offer comfortable to

farmers or doesn't need to do it with. i should say it's not just bill gains. rockefeller made the money for oil and ford foundation. obviously who made cars. we had the international panel for climate change. we also it's also be clear this people don't just support africa. i mean, look for phone dish a bit of dollars. yes. but they supported america. disappointed europe the support that everybody does. everybody has grown on their book. why does it become a question when to put in for africa being about there's a huge debate about the indirect subsidy through rockefeller and ford foundation. and that's why there's a reparations that instead of the $1000000000.00 grid that your president of, and even the u. n. food system summit, this should be reparations paid to africa. what was stolen from africa? and then those african countries should have food sovereignty over their own countries like you, gander, has been involved in became faster, has been involved in different countries in africa, not nigeria, notably, have rejected food painting the buying a painting,

seeds and so on. so that foam and feed is the way forward, rather than big multinational creative sheets. but again, it thinks what is happening, what happened from a career perspective, has nothing to do with this. some of the work that we do with the sort of the lexus foundation of the liquid we will coordinate with. they put the colonization. i don't want to go down that route, but let's focus on what, what we can do to support some of the 4 months. and what then? when, when should i put the money comes and, and, and really they fission is to support african communities to learn. oh, even doped some of the technologies that that we can adopt to be able to move forward. again, i'm not said no, my job is to ensure that, okay, but i mean, look, i mean, obviously seen the negative in the end. but i mean we had the international panel for climate change, lead author on this program just the other day. and he said,

we don't really know what war contributes to climate change, the pentagon, the largest emitter, arguably, why would you choose to work with an alleged war? criminal, tony blair, to write an article, building food security during the pandemic. how do you think that scene in the global south to the man who is alleged to be a war criminal and you together a telling the world about food? so i don't know the said of the new casino criminal. i know the set of 20 bria that talks about development. i go with the side, they know you go with the safety, you know, we're going to say involvement and involvement in the iraq war that displays kill. it was mission michael magician with she has nothing to do with a cool micro position with him. has everything to do with how moving development fought for the kind of work under the puts that he's his women he's discussing with us or gotten development forward. i choose to focus on what we can do from

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