going on of a totally different kind take your sign off the use of migration at a certain instrument geopolitical struggle. but of course. busy we also have to look at the situation on both sides because the european union, although went into a struggle with over the last election presidential election, putting a lot of under pressure. and so it seems that this is just a certain kind of retaliation because it doesn't have other means to respond and not wraps it up for this news. ok, thanks so much for company. have an r t, don't forget and also use the risk of it on a website. check about the the, the, the ah,

i, i hello and welcome to cross. we're all things considered. i'm here about liberals today, show their face. the mask is off and what did we see? the new mccarthyism. they are proud of their liberalism and tucker carlson, and his journey in coverage of hungry major. what about the liberal establishment will probably never recover the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my george samuel l. e. in budapest,

he's a podcast or at the gaggle which can be found on you too, and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobbitt. he was a political analyst and editor in a me, internet media project, or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of denise re, bobby, welcome to the program. and i should tell everybody for this format, contact that my to get in this case, to be in georgia. and i inquire with they would like to talk about and de me, you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism. why did you send that to me? what caught your eye? and do you think we are really, are in error of numer? go ahead. i think the main reason is that this very radical polarized in statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to their police officers who unfortunately let the, you know, the insurgence,

the so called insurgence into the capitol hill, so these people were given gold medals even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from company. but the, just the, you know, the, the kind of language that by and used, you know, mobile, which stream is some terrorist launched a violent and dad list sold on the people's house and the sacred reach to certify a free and in the action. that reminds me, unfortunately, that doesn't to my new or the, or the way a democratic leader was exec, reminds me of that mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in model is china or the boot leeker solving to national capital, capitalist society. if you know that, that we heard from the start and why use such paths us, you know, and i think this article about the new mccarthy isn't it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the data that the

liberal, at least i'm not making any effort to understand. why did people vote for donald trump and why there were so many protest as we didn't get the answer from these people. it was just that they are bad people, terrace, georgia. i'm glad to be brought up with president bite and then say about the events, january 6, correct me if i'm wrong, george, i thought there was a select committee going on in congress. defined, become to some conclusions. i thought there were other investigations to come to where the president of the united states already has a conclusion. how that out. very good point. yes. there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating and events of january. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the state of these trial ongoing and like the last month and months,

if not years after that correct. but a big deal is actually right. i mean, listen, mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration. it started at the time donald trump was inaugurated as president. that mccarthyism was very explicitly like the old mac up, which is it accused from the people around from a b ages of the kremlin. that was, it was, that's agents of the grandest. and it was worse even than the old because he's the because at least the old mccarthyism had a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the us government who are agents of the gremlins such as x, the white and zone. so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that troubles in the ages of the remnants. and it was poor cynically to suggest that the, the man who was elected president was actually

a tool of the kremlin the kremlin, i've stolen an election. i mean, so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just a now instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists, so people who are terrorists and they list it so you bring up a good point demon. i mean, i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorists back seem deny or so you know, everybody is categorized. ok. and it's really a purity test. all of the time. you know, there were, there were some official that said that anyone that this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found, she should be repercussions for that. i mean, we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized it's

being criminalized. and it's again, we're not looking at a very small group of people. we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled, and designated and know quite listens, that brings like this. i mean this, these are extraordinary measures. and it's all because how they want us to use language. what happened on january? we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently it was an insurrection. you get my point, fema, absolutely, and froze. there was a way to make it clear that we, on the show, we're not against vaccines. we don't know how to. absolutely. we do not support trumps people deed on january the 6th. the method used against these probably, you know, probably a wrong wrong. why did people, i just, you know, i don't want to get more receipt. i mean, in the article and this big data there,

the old list. so this example that you just mentioned, you know, making the criticizing sense. anthony, fall of federal crime. no less. if you criticize doctor voucher, you are a criminal. well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be that, that narrow gifts that appear in american society today. and that's the more disturbing phenomenon. i mean, the article in the washington board by the meal back. it says, history has been written by victors, we should not allow loses to write history. we have these, me full g dana milbank writes about the events of gender. 16 on the table de terrorist took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s. government in a deadly rampage. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is, i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots

of mccarthyism. now i think it was very well appointed by, by the frank in his article in the long diplomatic. now it's the specialist, the least in europe, who i actually cheer leading, you know, these, you mccarthyism. here is what it says, mr. frank, you really, you know, one group of experts who emerged the leaders of the area where expert, so least in europe where authoritarianism has a long history and russian, the farrier, the areas, this is a known quantity. i mean these people create and panic criteria, you know the the book by. 4 an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do we talk democracy? except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming period? which an apple really this is. this is about the article by tom snyder,

the book by the own period where dusty sees tyranny, where does the tyranny except for his own and the people think like him exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism, and this is really what we have come down to, i mean it's these liberals, they constantly mountain words, democracy in diversity and all that. but they are actually not for any of them. they're actually for submit in criminal. i just said it's as simple as that. george, it is as simple as the and we've seen facebook, twitter, google, the most powerful corporations in the world. they can pretty much control all the flow. busy of information on the world working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic body in order to crush political and their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who have donald trump's voters, who have been kicked off the platform so that they don't get to have

a voice. it's also people who have their own views on vaccines. robert f. kennedy junior, he's certainly concerned that they will trumps of all that he's been thrown off. know me, will kicked off. you know, we have the wrong, the wrong views on the vaccine you're out. you know, the most most well known public intellectual think you agree or disagree with her. i mean my household name if you be books. ok, great. but what is interesting to me is that when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other highfalutin things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't deserve it. this is their message, and this is why i said repeatedly on this program, this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your

worthy yes or no. yes, exactly. so democracy means that the right people are elected, if the right people another leg than it was played in all the democracy. and therefore we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people, or just simply the gate. so this is what we're, this really wasn't the democracy at all. this was a dictatorship that was stolen by jim or whatever. but that's what you know you get . you have to have, you know, a democracy means electing the right people know if it's a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the. so the liberalism, yes, but the demon when you're just saying, if i put it in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive it and they will find the means for their own self preservation because that's what this is all about if you are in the, in your, in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this great this year. you know, you get

a want to maintain that. and so these, these trivial things, these what know, things like democracy and voter id, you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who did really determined that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it. well, it's true and also look how, you know, the liberal gloss is trying to consolidate himself. i mean, timothy snyder, when you wrote a, his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self. i could class, let's feel that we have to defend our interests or not links. we have 2 different read them and all of those things. and the, this is really dangerous and in the line or the article by thomas frank is us liberals old leaves trump ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control. this

is around him. what will remain and what is really dangerous is depreciation of certain narrative. i mean the appeal by dana milbank and he is the article for the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president biden on, you know, journey 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, done mil been credits norm low after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real new stay with our ah ah, me, i when i would show the wrong, when all just don't the rules. yes to see out the same

becomes the aptitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground, the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interest. what you see in this, these techniques is the state devising message to end essentially destroy personality of an individual lifetime. means this is how one doctors, theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. and how the victim say they still

live with the consequences today. the welcome at the cross stuff. were all things are considered. i'm peter liberal. this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news the the are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. oh. but the most popular cable hosts tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and he met someone that the west revivals, what's your take? well, i think 2 aspects. so 1st of all, the interview between the victim abandoned tucker. carlson is actually fascinating

and everybody should watch it or buy an article is a very cogent, intelligent view. all of national so relative of saying, well, nations have a right to determine their own destiny in the life of their own interest. and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what the, you know, we didn't want to do what the soviets ordered us to do. would interesting, even more interesting was the hysterical reaction in the united space to this interview. it was just a foam and a big, i mean we have somebody like massy glazier kind of leading the liberal. think it was just speaking them about hungry. you know, this is, this is a rubbish. she stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. i think you said rinky big. right. just a nice little building,

but absolutely useless that everything else, you know, very poor doesn't, doesn't do anything anyone, any hungarian was actually was anything goes abroad to do it. probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the troops is that, or bon, the reason why they are so great, it is a tiny countries, just 10000000 people of it is that he is presenting animal tonnage. his vision to go to the global is the idea that, well, you know, there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals. you know, anyone anyway. and just so, you know, tuning, you know, they long on and therefore we don't need any nations. and you know, that's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically and nations has been the most resistant to all sorts of global is

dreams. but it was the soviet's or that was the nazi whatever. that's why when or about articulates. but this is a nation on national destiny. they know this is a found over resistance. and if it's a disease that might spread to other nations, george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat, particularly in the media, is that i came across as a very articulate, come straight forward. ok speaks english well. have a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been make it out to unless he's really putting on an act here. quick reaction to that try is, as i said, xtreme or the article again, compare that with any america or english conservative, you know, get to try to get bars. johnston's was the vision. you know, you have nothing. i mean, you would just be blocked or, and cliches with any, you know, got some american senate, you know, tried to articulate

a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're a conservative, what do you understand by that? and i remember what i believe is tax. so i mean the year to a picture later, a conservative vision, i mean, and, and he did it, you know, very effectively. the interview is very, very interesting is george said it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that are bama talking about it's, it's almost impossible really to disagree with. ok. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the alter purse beneath, you can't listen to it because it is again scripture. you can't listen to anything counter to what our ideology says. that's why they take him so much and, and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years when he won 2010, but i think it's been, i think, bob, 15 of the last 19 years. so here's the country of tell 10000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's

a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to all of us, not all of them. we know it. if you read the european press on the press control by the you countries, or if you read the american mains compress. poland and hungary, our country is all wide by dictators. these are terrible dictatorships in central europe are the only good thing about families. the poland is very russian hunter is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian table. people are in power, they are the subject they influence and the judge of their suppression, the press. the only thing that the mainstream prayer doesn't mention is one pro european part. yes, we are in poland. poland. what form of what they suppress pressed in the same way as the party that trolls now probably it's probably leaders. so the same thing with hungary before orbit was in power when jude chinese,

the social for empowerment they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and what made the liberals mad them tonight, the state was there, oregon was allowed to speak in full. usually, you know, actually organized i think 1st came to part about 30 years ago since he came to power. i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the 9, just when western press will let him speak. he was always just cold. oh, nice quote that you know the same thing with lot in my book and why were the american john is so angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't copy. you know, if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more if you're with them by, than it was important to deny it. and that was counter they are nurturing to you for they have never put you on the gate in the old and, you know, i feel re, terry,

and congress are unable to change their leaders. and they get more and more detached from reality. in reality, the liberty of them more and more detached from reality and in america, we now have an american variable, the revenues. i mean, they never point out that are about when elections here. george george, you're in budapest. now, i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in poland. i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictatorships. ok. so you're in. you're in budapest right now. so you know everyone's waiting with baited breath. george. are you living in a dictatorship? bigger police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. though, of course, that was larry year old. there was a breath i'm, you know, you know, or by the criticize the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or, but it's just simply isn't true. and it's very funny that on the one hand,

you know, or mine is a dictator that you don't tell it's erin saw go whatever it wasn't. busy biting cold in the same time, yea election next year or bond might be beaten. well, how do you probable if this is a fascist dictatorship or you know or by might be defeated in the next election? i mean, they say the same thing about boot coping style in there and dictates a, yay the last in these elections in moscow. i mean, you know, the over the, it was, it is not a dictatorship. no one who's afraid of the express use. if you live in brought up, most people here hated. i mean, as, as with most metropolitan citizen in the world level tend to be very liberal and everyone is free, free to speak is mine, and they are, they are all pretty much against orbit and hoping that he loses next year. it's not

the typical of the rest of the contract, but this characterization is of course, nonsense. going back to the demon, why? what was also extraordinary? is that due to was fielding questions from american journalists? biden wasn't feeling questions from any russian, john orange on the group and who controls the narrative. so thing with norma was interviewed by the b b. c. when he was going to london recently, and of course the bbc report to throw out the usual. when did you stop beating your wife questions? you know, hey, what about this, your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely onto these questions. so it's a, it's very, very different from the treatment that you know, the biden, the head of the greatest democracy in the world. i guess, you know, what went brussels is afraid of. and they,

they just can't and confident is that some a leader not long standing now can be re elected repeatedly, having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels is cannot stand. that's big because, you know, because then for them that's not demarc somehow democracy isn't working if you get that results, okay, which is what it basically you liberal thing to think. ok. and so they have a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about his electric, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say go ahead with george. just said that in a way, right way characterize their democracy. democracy is when the right democrats, when elections, if possible, honestly, if not possible, not very want to say, but we must have the right people in power idea logically right people. this is not, maybe not the best managers look at the form that ryan in the european commission,

not, not the most professional. no, just the ones who are, i guess, logically your. they allowed america to be when several elections. why? because she was a logically bure. when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have your salon or, you know, the former, the secretary general of nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world. medical i'll go america will be the lead on the west and what we show you that these, these i told you out to liberalism, it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges. it's actually international just in a bad sense. you know, if you follow guys move into the night of states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will run the wall. but, you know, i think george, you very rightly noted this a contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may, was in the election? well, it's not the 1st contradiction that we hear from this. people told frank and his

article on the point you put it very rightly, you know, the democrats call to a trump a freshman, and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american history. like dropping the lead to give you weapons. but what makes it, you know, given more money than it's never been resolved? what it is, this is a, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go around, out of time, i have a public service announcement to make cross stock is going on vacation for a month. ok. we're going to be away for 4 weeks. so i'm going to announce my vacation right here. right. karen now. ok. or i don't want to thank my guests in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers for watching a few our pc next time. remember the ah, the

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