people who don't care about people's lives being lost, me ah, my father had contacted in many lawyers in both canada and in the united states. and no one was prepared to do this. they were very, very brave to go up against the government in this way. that night, parents thought of them as heroes. and, and so today, david orla coach, standing as a member of parliament didn't really help us that much. the powers that be an auto were more concerned about not rocking the boat with their american colleagues. and they were about advancing a case that was brought by one of their own members of parliament. a lot of this our physical therapy is going on in psychiatry at the time the knowing had ever

used a combination of very powerful drug, electrical, both therapy extended sleep century isolation and all the other methods that she was using. there'd been there never anything like this where i grew up, this is my street. you see that tree there? i remember when i could put my fingers around it. we planted the trees so that trees planted in 1945. quite a long time ago, harvey decided to write a book about his father's experiences. as he researched the legal case, he began to get a lot of attention. strange things were happening. male was arriving in our house open. there were all these strange clicks on the telephone

then about 2 weeks after that, i'm driving to pick up my kids from a school dance clear night. clear road. from behind me comes a car with no headlight. john slams into me, pushes me off the road and disappears. something that we really haven't spoken about and nothing like this of course ever happened again. but it does interesting questions with me. sarah has been making about her grandmother since 2009 going to film a video. it's going to be a doctor and my grandmother locked in this dance that never ends. i think of it this as like, like a purgatory state or just like you know, never got,

never got resolved it never, she never got better. we thought this was over. we thought this was a bad history for the 19 fifties and early 1960 it never crossed my mind that the united states would be using method that cameran used to destroy me think i know the wall fairly well traveled to it, but i really didn't know about the twin towers. i didn't know that the twin towers even existed. yeah, i will never get that. i was is falling server for a gentleman, n g o. ah,

one of the worker said that he was there and i still didn't. and i was saying was in my office, which is in them to me. and suddenly the phone started to ring a lot. the time we knew little about all in how that group was able to evolve to a point where you learn later that that 19 thugs with box cutters was able to bring the united states to our knees. immediately mark was ordered to florida to help draw the invasion plan of

afghanistan, the i 2001 i made the decision life changing decision that turned out to be to go to afghanistan. and to do that with my wife and my children. the war on terrorism begins, america and britain strike off gun. it's done over the 7th, 2001. the war on terror began panic. it's pure panic. this isn't just the united states, bombing, sorties, and campaigns. this is now soldiers on the ground, armed people in the streets, killing people, arresting people, torturing people, and on the target mas,

i'm with captured and detained in my gram base for a year. in february 2003, she was taken to quinn ton of bay detention camp. accused of being a member of al qaeda. he was considered high risk for the next 22 months. he was held in solitary confinement. ah ah me, after 911, when i received the phone call and it was the director of our security move and explained to me that the u. s. government asked

him to read me mohammed with a key to being the lead to an al qaeda south in both germany and one trail. the indicator president bush signed the secret direct giving us a 30 to kill or capture terrorist anywhere in the years that followed the food doesn't crisscross the globe, making thousands of life faced with an onslaught of prisoners, the bush administration drew up a memorandum known as the torture memos. it set out the legal basis for using these techniques in the war on terror and cited the hooded men's $978.00 judgment. the within months, the cia wrote out these methods within guantanamo and all its black sites.

they call them enhanced interrogation techniques with the ca, turn to the contract psychologist who had no experience with all cader who had no experience with interrogations and had no experience in the middle east gym and i went into a cubicle, sat down at a a he sat down at the typewriter and together we wrote out the list as techniques that we thought had worked well in the series school. well, i had already been told that the geneva conventions didn't apply to the capture. detainees did not, did not apply to the capture detainees by the attorneys at the cia. and so i don't think i thought about geneva convention may became what i often refer to

as a modern day equivalent, a snake oil salesmen. these 2 psychologist were awarded $183000000.00 contract to run a program of torture. ah, you don't to camera sensory deprivation overland. along with the cold war thea program to create her refill mix of torture techniques. social change has almost entirely taken place in consequence on something else. it has not been controlled. we need to protect society from those that can bring it once more into kills. the strong must protect others from these people who are on the or

the american psychological association is world's largest organization of psychologists, and probably has the most influence over the community of psychologists around the world. ah, secretly, b a. p. any and make it my colleges working in the torture program to override the ethical code of do new home if the military and ca required it a program of abusive interrogations. the program of torture at the ca was designed by psychologists and at guantanamo was designed by a psychologist and a psychiatrist after they were trained in the techniques in the program of the ca

abuse. and that's when i could basically stand no, oh and so suddenly i went from just being a psychologist in my office to becoming the face of opposition to the a p. s. position war is a strategic business. our planning and our execution needs to be really well thought out, and it has consequences. for years. i was in conversations with the department of defense and with the white house. and i learned that we had psychiatrist and psychologists who were advising the interrogation teams

dan, i learned that they were not just advising that they were involved by. i was stunned in the room in it. take it all this time for me to build the picture of what's been involved here and the secrecy that was behind this torture program. ah. driven by adrian shaped by 10 percent of those with the in the me. there's

thing we dare to ask in oh, is your media a reflection of reality? ah ah, in a world transformed what will make you feel safer? tyson lation, for community. you going the right way for you being that somewhere? which direction? what is truth is in a world corrupted. you need to defend the join us in the depths will remain in the shallows, ah,

in the need to talk to someone who actually could pay more than that. even when i'm in a position where you may need questions on it for me, which mobile phone when you think about what was working for me, but it was easy. i got to get how do you think you put up with me going to be as long food? i want to tell you the other hand that why would you need that?

because that quote, should the the me in the punishment wing, known as india block, mohammedan, was isolated from all other detainees. who call it the freed, because they call i was the, was the level. so, i mean, what is the level no food, nothing. total isolation, psychological and physical torture. and i would be in a 27 american hash

because of my activism that i was placid in germany, somewhere to do this either because fed little crime or we're going to put you in the torture program. and i said go for it very much. i was really stupid here. the bag that i american said. the logic says that without 2 they wouldn't be $911.00. suddenly, mohammed was the most important prisoner in the role of psychologist in the torture program. astounds me. i saw that we're heading down a road that i knew was going to be disaster in 2002 mark,

put his neck on the line and one tissue period. that the c i a were using torture. i felt like there was an avalanche. you can see these boulders coming down and take away your arms and you try to stop it. i could not stop what has happened? a blood thirsty torture people who is just great for anyone person to stop with here. interrogation rules of engagement go far beyond geneva convention stress positions, sleep management, dietary manipulation. all of these things go far beyond a standard which says there'll be no physical or mental torture, nor any other form. of course, that's the geneva convention. these rules of engagement for interrogation issued by your department are inconsistent with those. my recollection is that any instructions that have been issued or anything that's been authorized by the department, was checked by the lawyers in your shop, in the department,

in the office of the secretary of defense and deemed to be consistent with the jan . absolutely. and us secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld, was convinced that mohammedan retreated 3 of the 911 hijackers. he personally authorized a 90 day special project status, them how to do with her and the consequences. 7, the order to abuse prisoners was unlawful. but to build up to that awful order, they need a justification. and so what they did was they sent a colonel to guantanamo to look and try to justify what was going on. and he said, going carnival be is america's battle lab. and the moment i heard that evoke memories of nuremberg, it evoked memories of what a knock nazis were doing. experiments. the 1st thing they started with was live, the professional regime ends in

a massive guide to the song. it was very dog except for oblige and then he stops playing the music lid. the bodies in the small all day long you know you, i cannot explain to one someone is doing shackle shackleton floor and a group of people, 2 women and a guy come and talk to them on to me. the know that war has a moral imperative. america after $911.00, was shocked. and i think we had been deeply frightened,

and i think that fear was exploited. certainly in the years after that and continued to be exploited. the understanding is you've been more native of entities than any other fashion. i, you know, i've met a number of them. yes. i met probably more than anyone else. can you tell me about that? i can't specifically talk about what i've my meetings with them or what i've learned about these. i've met colleagues shake. mohammad holly been natasha. the ramsey been she a mar, absolute she and her solid. these men were subjected to all these tactics. and there is absolutely no evidence.

absolutely not a shred of evidence that, that these tactics used on these men really gave us any intelligence that was important or useful to our country the we created all to interact with our torture rock more, what we call the isis today. die each ice on the same, the chest a manifestation of torture. with these are programs that we created and were living with those results. you said that you think this is watkins? this is absolutely work. crimes. we knew there were crimes. for this new substitute motion is here to rectify 10 years of deceitful

and secret pollution to n p. the will of the membership into the other protested battle with the a p a was coming to an end here today to reset our moral compass. we had been trying to use to prevent psychologists from being part of national security interrogation supposed to be acknowledged and we apologize for it. and we changed the south to being held for 3 years. modem was released without choice closely. so if i got on a plane and come back home to england, what would happen?

would i end up in tunnel? would these would these painful would this playful period ever have happened? would i be the person i have today? i called on to those questions, but i do often said to myself, why didn't i just get on a plane and go back to his confessions was found to be the result of talk. he was released without charge after 14 years in guantanamo or i was no match for them. they destroyed and they won. they broke me. and there is nothing i could say to save my face or to say, or i want. no, i do not. because those people out of professional doctors who studied just for this purpose, to destroy the human spirit and make it dependent b d n, and make them confess to what ever they wanted them to office

or in august 2017. the 2 psychologists who created the cia torture program were about to be put on trial. we were soldiers doing what we were instructed to do . we knew it was lawful. we knew it was a wiggle. we knew it had been rented and approved. do you think it's possible, as a psychologist, that individual was subjected to them or suffered a long term visible or psychological rejection? do you think it's possible that sleep deprivation taken to the extreme could induce severe mental pain or suffering? objection? the c, i a settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. no liability was admitted. world law and government will intensify the problem of the growing of them, the 2 of the common man,

what we much to is to cl won't spread neither friendly nor unfriendly orlando's world in which we must at last take final responsibility for ourselves. congress to ensure that in the fighting isis and we continue to have all necessary power to detain terrace wherever we chase them down wherever we find them. and in many cases, for them, it will now be wanted imo, de $1000000.00 auction program has been known to going to move a which could see trouble in population. what makes this issue important? guantanamo has become the calling crime. torture is some sign of american

power that allows people to think that america will be great. again. united states right now is one terrorist attacks away from re instituting torture. since the 1950s, we know these techniques have been used in afghanistan, argentina, australia, sonia, present, the british guy on the british come, i mean, canada, shitty. cuba, great britain, water, honduras, iran, iraq, israel, lithuanian morocco, northern park in the philippine poland, remaining time and turkey. europe, why am i

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