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ah ah ah, ah hello and welcome to cross. we're all things considered. i'm hearing about liberals today, show their group face. the mask is all and what do we see? the new mccarthyism. they are proud of their liberalism and tucker carlson. and his journey in coverage of hungry or what about the liberal establishment will probably never recover the to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george m u l e. in budapest, he's a podcast, or at the gaggle which can be found on you too,

and locals. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bobby. he was a political analyst and editor in a me, internet, media project or a gentleman, cross talk rules and effect. that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. okay, let's go to the new and improved version of denise re, bobby, welcome to the program demon. i'd sure to tell everybody for this format contact that went to get in this case, to be in georgia. and i inquire with they would like to talk about and de me, you sent me an article about the new mccarthyism. why did you send that to me? what caught your eye? and do you think we are really are in are of no. go ahead. i think the main reason is that this very radical polarized in statement that we had last week from president biden, who actually used a very aggressive us when given gold medals to their police officers who unfortunately let the, you know, the insurgents are so called inserted into the capitol hill so these people were

given gold medals even though they obviously failed to prevent something very bad from company. but the, just the, you know, the, the kind of language that by and use, you know, mobile, which stream is center is launched, a violent and dead list sold on the people's house and the sacred reach to certify a free and in action. that reminds me, unfortunately, that doesn't q my new or the, or the way a democratic leader was exec, reminds me of that mad dogs of imperialism. you know, in molly's china or the boot leeker solving to national capital, capitalist society. if you know that, that we heard from the start and why use such paths us, you know, and i think this article about the new mccarthyism, it makes a very good point in the spectator. this article was already sent the data that the

liberal a 3 lists are not making any effort to understand. why did people vote for donald trump and why? there were so many protesters. we didn't get the answer from these people. it was just that they are bad people, terrace, georgia. i'm glad to be brought up with president biden to say about the events january. the correct me if i'm wrong, george, i thought there was a select committee going on in congress. define become to some conclusion. i thought there were other investigations to come to conclusion where the president of the united states already has a conclusion. how that out. very good point. yes. there's be the select committee. there's also been other committees that have been investigating and events of january. and of course, there are $560.00 people who have been charged with the events of january, the state of these trial ongoing and like the last month and months, if not years after that correct. but a big deal is absolutely right. i mean,

listen, mccarthyism started of course, before the, by the ministration. it started at the time donald trump was inaugurated as president, and that mccarthyism was very explicitly like the old mac up, which is it accused from the people around from a b ages of the kremlin. that was, it was, that's agents of the grandest and it was worse even than the old because he's the because at least the old mccarthyism had a kernel of truth because there were some people working in the u. s. government who are agents of the gremlins such as x, the white and zone. so, but this was complete from a completely made up story that troubles in the ages of the remnants. and it was poor cynically to suggest that the man who was elected president was actually a tool of the crime in the kremlin of stolen an election. i mean,

so the demonize ation has been a continuing strain. it's just a know, instead of calling these people, agents of the kremlin, they are now terrorists, so people who are terrorist and they list it so you bring up a good point demon. i mean, i think one of the most important indications of this new mccarthyism is the total abuse of language. you know, domestic terrorists back seem deny or so you know, everybody is categorized. ok. and it's really a purity test. all of the time. you know, there were, there were some official that said that anyone that this was over the last few days, any official that criticizes found, she should be repercussions for that. i mean, we've gone so far so fast where descent is criminalized it's being criminalized. and it's again, we're not looking at

a very small group of people, we're looking at half the country, half the country is being accused and labeled and designated, and no quite listens. that brings like this. i mean this, these are extraordinary measures. and it's all because how they want us to use language. what happened on january? we really don't know because we don't have the facts, but apparently it was an insurrection. you get my point, fema? absolutely. and 1st, i would like to make it clear that we, on the show, we're not against vaccines. we don't know how to. absolutely. we do not support trumps people deed on january the 6th. the methods used against these probably, you know, probably a wrong wrong. why did people, i just, you know, i don't want to give me a receipt. i mean, in this article, this dictate the all to lists this example that you just mentioned. you know,

making the criticizing sense. anthony, fall, federal crime. no less. if you criticize doctor voucher, you are a criminal. well, but also, you know, there shouldn't be that, that narrow gifts that appear in american society today. and that's the more disturbing phenomenon. i mean, the article in the washington post by the meal back. it says, history has been written by victors, we should not allow loses to write history. we have these, me fall g dana milbank writes about the events of gender. 16 on the table de terrorist took up arms against the united states. seeking to see the u. s. government in a deadly graham bridge. well, i mean this, this is beyond the pale and the, the problem is, i think george was very right when he cited mccarthyism and the anti russian roots

of mccarthyism. now, i think it was very well appointed by by the frank in his article in the morning diplomatic. now it's the specialist on eastern europe who i actually cheer leading, you know, these new mccarthyism. here is what it says, mr. frank, curiously. you know, one group of experts who emerged as the leaders of the criteria where experts will least in europe, where authoritarianism has a long history and ration you farrier, the areas. this is a known quantity. i mean, these people create and panic criteria. you know the regular the book by. 4 an apple ball was headline twilight to you, more christian. where do she told you, margaret? except in the actions of the corporations and the liberal coming area which and apple really, this is this, is there about the article by tom snyder, the book by thompson or the own period where dusty sees tyranny. but you know,

except for his own and the people think like you exactly in georgia, the name of this program is liberal liberalism. and this is really what we have come down to. i mean, it's these liberals, they constantly mount the words, democracy and diversity and all but, but they are actually for and not for any of them there actually for submit. and in criminalize this, then it's as simple as that. george, it is a simple as that. and we've seen facebook, twitter, google, the most powerful corporations of the world. they can pretty much control all the flow of information on the world, working hand in glove with government, particularly with the democratic body in order to crush political this then and crush their opponents. so it's not just donald trump and the people who donald trump, the borders to be kicked off these platforms so that they don't get a voice. it's also people who have their own views on vaccines.

robert f. kennedy junior. he, he felt concerned. they were trumps of all that he's been thrown off, know me, will kicked off. you know, we have the wrong, the wrong views on the vaccine you're out. you know, the most most well known public intellectual. if you agree or disagree with her, i mean my household name if you read books. ok, great. but what is interesting to me is that when they talk about democracy in truth and all these other high pollutant things, is that it's all those things only for people that are worthy of it. if you're not worthy of it, then you don't deserve it. this is their message, and this is why i said repeatedly on this program, this is the new surf to, okay. you know, you can have all of these things if your worthy and we will determine if your worthy yes or no. yes,

that's exactly. so democracy means that the right people are elected. if people another leg, then it was clear in all the democracy and therefore we have to either re run these elections over and over again until we get the right people or just simply the gate . so that's what we're, this really wasn't the democracy at all. this was a dictatorship that was stolen by gin, oil, or whatever. that's what you know you get. you have to have a democracy, means electing the right people. it's a permanent rule by a permanent lee. that's what they mean by the liberalism. yes, but the demon went georgia saying, if i put in a rephrase it, which i completely agree with them, is that the elite must survive it and they will find that means for their own self preservation because that's what this is all about. if you're in the, in group, you're in the status quo that is prosper, particularly during this crisis year. you know, you get a want to maintain that. and so these, these trivial things, these what know,

things like democracy and voter id, you know, that gets in the way of us maintaining our power because we are worthy of this power. who, who did, who didn't really determine that their secular, god, i don't know where they truly believe it. well, it's true and also how, you know, the liberal clause is trying to consolidate. and so, i mean, timothy snyder, when you wrote his book on tyranny, it was actually an appeal that feel our self. i could class that feel that we have to defend our interests or not interest. we have 2 different read them and all those things. and the, this is really dangerous and in the why and all the article by thomas frank is us liberals. all the trump. ok, you know, maybe people in some time will forget trump and they will forget the control mrs. around him. what will remain and what is really dangerous is depreciation of

certain narrative. i mean, the appeal by a meal bank, and here's the article for the washington post, you know, in which the praise of the polarized and statement from a president biden on, you know, generally 6 people being old terrorists and white supremacists, you know, doesn't mean ben crates not low right history. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on some real estate with our aah! join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politic sport business and show business. i'll see you then. mm hm. yeah. i mean, you understand and then you need to talk to someone actually could

be able to pay more than that for me when i'm in a position where they need to go to work on it for me on my own feeling about what we're doing today, join me, but it was easy. i got to get to the can put an office and going to be as long as i can tell you the other hand, that's why you need that because that quote, should the

welcome at the cross stuff where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle. this is the home edition remind you were discussing some real news. the. the are a gentleman. let's change gears and georgia, a very famous television personality from the united states. oh, but the most popular cable hosts tucker carlson was in the city where you reside right now. and he met someone that the west revivals, what's your take? well, i think 2 aspects. so 1st of all, the interview between the victim abandoned tucker. carlson is actually fascinating and everybody should watch it or buy an article is a very cogent, intelligent view. all of national so relative of. busy saying, well, nations have

a right to determine their own destiny in the life of their own interest, and there are light of their own culture traditions and so on and say, look, you know, we do not get to do what others order us to do. we didn't do what the, you know, we didn't want to do what the soviets ordered us to do. we don't want to do what the brussels us. so i don't want that i was which, which was very interesting. even more interesting was the hysterical reaction in the united states to this interview. it was formally big. i mean we have somebody like matthew lacy is kind of a leading neo liberal. think it was just speaking them about hungry. you know, this is, this is a rubbish. she stupid little country. yeah. it has some pretty building. i think you said rinky dink yes somebody will building but absolutely use that. everything else, you know, very poor doesn't, doesn't, doesn't do anything, anyone,

any hungarian was actually worth anything, goes abroad to do it probably in the united states. it's a very hands on the russia is nothing except oil and nuclear weapons. but the truth is that, oh or bon, the reason why this, all right, it is a tiny country. it's just a 1000000 people afraid of it is that he is presenting animal turnage, his vision to the go to the global is the idea that, well, you know, there are no people. there's just, you know, they're just terminals. you know, anyone any way can just so you know, tuning and you know, they long on and therefore we don't need any nations. and you know, that's just simply a terminal to be manipulated. well, historically, nations has been the most resistant to all sorts of global is the dreams, i mean by the soviets, where there was nothing, whatever. that's why, when or by an articulate that this is

a nation on national destiny. they know this is the founder of the resistance, and it's a disease that might spread to other nations. george, i'm going to stay with you. i watch the interview. i think that really what makes a lot of liberal sweat, particularly in the media, is that what about i came across as a very articulate, come straight forward. ok. speak english well. have a thick accent, but he's not the monster that he's been made out to. unless he's really putting on an act here, quick reaction to bad try is, as i said, as a big stream of the articles. again, compare that with any america or english conservative drug bars. johnson's was the vision. you really have nothing. i mean, the way you would just be blocked or, and cliches with any, you know, got some americans, you know, tried to articulate a vision of what you want. you keep saying you're concerned with the, what do you understand by that? and i remember, oh, well, i believe it's so i mean it's a conservative vision. i mean,

and, and he did it very effectively. give me interview is very, very interesting. george said it's very straightforward. these are, these are one of the things that i'm talking about. it's, it's almost impossible really to disagree with. ok. but then if i, the ology is put, put on the altar purse beneath, you can't listen to it because it is again scripture. you can't listen to anything counter to what our idea ology says, that's why they take him so much and, and they hate the fact that, you know, he's been in power. what for 12 years when he went to 2010, but i think it's been, i think, bob, 15 of the last 19 years. so here's the country of tell 10000000 people that supported a conservative agenda and he's a threat hungry. it's a threat really go ahead. well, 1st of all, i think we should explain to us,

not all of them. we know it. if you read the european press or the press control by the you countries, or if you read the american main, compress, poland, and hungary, our country is all wide by dictators. you know, these are terrible dictatorships in central europe and all the good thing about them is the poland is very anti russian hungry is extremely bad because it's not even anti russian table. people are in power. they are the subject king they influence and the judge of their suppression, the press. the only thing that the mainstream press doesn't mention is when pro european part, yes, we're in pole in poland. what form of them are they suppressed? press in the same way as the party of the rules. now probably it's probably leaders . so the same thing with hungary before organ was in power. when you're, the soldiers were empowered, they treated pressing the same way as orb and us. and what made the liberals mad

them tonight, the state was that oregon was allowed to speak in full usually, you know, actually organize. i think 1st came out about 30 years ago since he came to power. i don't remember except maybe in the beginning of the 9, just when the western press will let him speak. he was always just cold or nice quote that you know the same thing with learning and, and why where the american, john is so angry about his press conference after the meeting with them. he spoke to the reporters and they couldn't carpet. you know, if you wanted, you could watch the whole conversation and see, i mean portion was so much more if you're with them by them, it was important to deny it. and that the goals counter they are narrowing to you for. they have narrative that you get, you know, old and you know, i feel re, terry, and congress are unable to change their leaders and they get more and more detached

from reality. in reality, the liberalism really gave them more and more detached from reality and in america, we now have an american variable, the rest of them. you know, i mean, they never point out that are about when selections here. you're george, you're in budapest. now, i lived in eastern europe in the 1980s. i lived in poland. i visited hungry. they were, they were run by a party dictatorships. ok. so you're in. you're in budapest right now. so you know everyone's waiting with baited breath. george, are you living in a dictatorship? big police is just outside the door, but everything is fine. though, of course, there is a press or bodies criticize the notion that somehow people are terrified of criticizing or but it's just simply isn't true. and it's very funny that on the one hand, you know, is a dictator that you don't tell it's erin fargo. 1 whatever it was

a bite and told him the same time, yea election next year or bond might be beaten. well, how do you compatible if this is a fascist dictatorship or you know or might be defeated in the next election? i mean, they say the same thing about book and open style in there and say, yea, the last in these elections in moscow, i mean, you know, the over the goes, it is not a dictatorship. no one who's afraid of the express use if you live and bought up, as most people here hated. i mean, you know, to, as, as with most metropolitan citizen in the world never tend to be very liberal. and everyone is, you know, free, free to speak is mine and there they are, all pretty much against orbit and hoping that he loses next year. you know, it's not the typical of the rest of the contract. but this characterization is of course, nonsensical. i think going back to demon why, what was also extraordinary,

is that guten, was fielding questions from american journalist biden, wasn't feeling questions from any russian john for john and who controls the narrative. so thing with mom was interviewed by the b b. c. when he was going to london recently, and of course the bbc report the throughout the usual, when did you stop beating your wife questions? you know, hey, what about your anti semitism? what about the dictatorship? that's the stuff, but nonetheless, or bon politely onto these questions. so it's a, it's very, very different from the treatment that you know, the biden, the head of the greatest democracy in the world. i guess what, when brussels is afraid of and they, they just can't and confident is that some leader not long standing now, can be reelected repeatedly,

having conservative views that are at odds with the ideology coming out of brussels is cannot stand. that's because, you know, because then for them that's not democracy somehow. democracy isn't working if you get that results, okay, which is what it basically it liberal thing to think. ok. and so they have a problem not only with the, the ideology and beliefs a bit about and his electorate, but they have a problem with democracy itself. i would say go ahead name. well, george just said in a very right way characterize their democracy. democracy as well, the right democrats when the elections, it's possible, honestly, it's not possible not very want to say, but we must have the right people in power idea logically right people. this is not a mary talk. she's not the best managers look at the from the lion in the european commission, not, not the most professional. no, just the ones who are logically your. they allowed america to be with several

elections. why? because she was a logically bure. when the trunk won't be election that in the united states have your salon or, you know, the former general nato said if trump will not be the lead on the western world. medical i'll give america will be the leader of the western world. we show you that these, these are always out to liberalism. it's not pro american, it's not pro bridges. it's actually international just in a bad sense. you know, if you follow guys with the names of states, then our guys will staying power in germany and they will run the wall. but, you know, i think george very rightly noted this a contradiction. how come he is a dictator, but he may, was in the election? well, it's the 1st contradiction that we hear from this people told frank and his article on deformity. but it's very rightly, you know, the democrats called a trump fashion and then they voted for the biggest military budgets in american

history. like drug will lead to give you weapons that makes the, you know, gave him more money than they never been resolved. what it is, this is, this is a about a, an ideology that's in crisis. before we go out of time, i have a public service announcement to make cross dock is going on vacation for a month. ok. we're going to be away for 4 weeks. so i'm going to announce my vacation right here right here, and now ok, or i don't want to take my guess in budapest and here in moscow when i think our viewers are watching your pc next time, remember the ah ah, with

me ah ah, i use the i think is part of the mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze political claims, psychological language and mental health became more common. so if you disagree with something i said on this program, you know, just say i just agree with you. i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your adventure logic. your see your micro grass mate,

you see you triggered me. you said you heard me again from psychological way because news or psychological terms. and i guess an enormous problem for politics because it's almost impossible to have a discourse on that terrain. the hello, in the traditional motion picture story, the villains are usually defeated the ending of the happy one. i can make no such promise for the picture you're about to watch. a story isn't over i remember bringing my father down and he'd gone from a man to this almost non human.