it makes us feel very proud that we are in it together in oh, i think it's part of mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze political claims inside the language of mental health became more common. so if you disagree with something i said on this program, you know, just say i disagree with you, i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your adventure logic. you say your micro grass mate, you say you triggered me. you said you harmed me again. from psychological way because those are psychological terms and i guess an enormous problems or politics because it's almost impossible to have a discourse on that terrain. the

the, the, the, the i father contacted many lawyers in both canada and in the united states. and no one was prepared to do this. they were very, very brave to go up against the government in this way. that night parents thought of them as heroes and di david orla coach stanley as a member of parliament, didn't really help us that much. the powers that be an honor were more concerned about not rocking the boat with their american colleagues and they were about advancing a case that was brought by one of their own members of parliament. a lot of

our physical therapy. ringback is going on in psychiatry, the time knowing had ever used a combination of very powerful drug. electrical involves therapy, extended sleep, sensory isolation, and all the other methods that she was using. there's been never anything like this where i grew up, this is my street. you see that tree there. i remember when i could put my fingers around it. we planted the trees, trees planted in 1945. quite a long time ago, harvey decided to write a book about his father's experiences. as he researched the legal case, he began to get a lot of attention. some strange things were happening. male was arriving in our

house, opened. there were all these strange clicks on the telephone. then about 2 weeks after that, i'm driving to pick up my kids from a school dance clear night. clear road from behind me comes a car with no headlights on slams into me, pushes me off the road and disappears. something that we really haven't spoken about. and nothing like this of course ever happened again. but it does interesting questions with me. sarah has been making about her grandmother since 2009 going to film a video. it's going to be the doctor and my grandmother locked in. this dance that never ends. i think of it as like like

a purgatory state or just like you know, never got, never got resolved it. never. she never got better. we thought this was over. we thought this was a bad history, 19 fifties, and early 960. it never crossed my mind that the united states would be using a method that cameran used to destroy. think i know the fairly well traveled to it, but i really didn't know about the twins house. i didn't know that the twin tile even existed. yeah,

i will never forget that. i was. he's falling server for a gentleman, n g o. ah, one of the workers said that he was and i will say, what is in my office, which is in them to me. and suddenly the phone started to ring a lot. i wonder if it's something we knew little about on and how that group was able to evolve to a point where you learn later that that 19 thugs with box cutters was able to bring the united states to our knees.

immediately mark was ordered to florida to help draw the invasion plan of afghanistan. the i 2001 i made the decision life changing decision. it turned out to be to go to afghanistan. and to do that with my wife and my children. the war on terrorism begins, america and britain strike off gun this done on october, the 7th, 2001. the war on terror began to panic. it's pure panic. this isn't just the united states, bombing, sorties, and campaigns. this is now soldiers on the ground,

armed people in the st. healing people arresting people, torturing people, and on the targets. missouri was captured and detained in my grand base for a year. in february 2003, he was taken to gwen ton of bay detention camp. accused of being a member of al qaeda. he was considered high risk and for the next 20 human he was held in solitary confinement. ah ah me after 911, when i received the phone call it was the director

of our security move. and she explained to me that the u. s. government asked him to arrest me. mohammed do with the key to being the lead, and i'll call you to self in both germany and one trill. the in the case of president bush signed the secret direct, giving the 30 to kill or capture terrorist anywhere in the years that followed the food doesn't crisscross the globe, making thousands of faced with an onslaught of prisoners. the bush administration drew up a memorandum known as the torture memos it set out the legal basis for using these techniques in the war on terror and cited the hooded men, $978.00 judgment. the within months ca

rolled out these methods with in guantanamo and all its black sites. they call them enhanced interrogation techniques. the the ca turn to the contract psychologist who had no experience with all cader who had no experience with interrogations and had no experience in the middle east gym and i went into a cubicle, sat down at a at a he sat down at the typewriter and together, we wrote out the list as techniques that we thought had worked well in this year school. well, i had already been told that the geneva conventions didn't apply to the capture. detainees did not, did not apply to the capture detainees by the attorneys at the cia. and so i don't

think i thought about geneva convention may became what i often refer to as a modern day equivalent, a snake oil salesmen. these 2 psychologist were awarded $183000000.00 contract to run a program of torture. ah, you don't to camera and sensory deprivation overland along with the cold, we'll see a program to create a mix of torture techniques. social change has almost entirely taken place in consequence on something else. it has not been controlled. we need to protect society from those that can bring it once more into kills. the

strong must protect others from these people who are not on the order. the american psychological association is world's largest organization of psychologists, and probably has the most influence over the community of psychologists around the world. ah, i secretly b a p a and making my colleges working in the torture program to override the ethical code of do new home if the military and ca required it a program of abusive interrogations. the program of torture at the ca was designed by psychologist and at guantanamo was designed by a psychologist and

a psychiatrist after they were trained in the techniques in the program of the ca abuse. and that's when i could basically stand no, oh and so suddenly i went from just being a psychologist in my office to becoming the face of opposition to the a p. s. position war is a strategic business. our planning and our execution needs to be really well thought out and it has consequences for year i was in conversations with the department of defense and with the white house. and i learned that we had psychiatrist in psychologists who were advising the interrogation teams

dan, i learned that they were not just advising that they were involved by. i was stunned in the room in take it all this time for me to build the picture. what's been involved here and the secrecy that was behind this torture program. ah, ah, will lose

a lot of what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successfully, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk you know, when you go to a 6 day marathon a creativity, a multi cultural festival, and the biggest variety is the competition for a few days. became

a russian cultural capital. 28 categories. ahh. from filing a piano to the parenting. and data protection night years just throwing up over water ga, ga. if you could reduce the cost of a $3.00 or for them to be here. they filter when regional context, the delta gains only take the very best of the best buy i the me in the punishment wing known as india block,

mohammedan was isolated from all other detainees. we call it the freed, because it's very cool. i was the was level so i mean, what is the level no food, nothing. total isolation like a logical and physical torture. and i was in a 27 american hash because of my activism that i was placid in germany, somewhere to go home to the ltd listed either to confess, little crime or we're going to put you in the torture program. and i said go for it very much. i was really stupid head of exit.

i american said the logic says that without 2 they wouldn't be $91170.00 mohammedan, was the most prisoner in the role of psychologist in the torture program, astounds me. i saw that we're heading down a road that i knew was going to be a disaster in 2002 mark, put his neck on the line to superior. see i was using torture. i felt like there was an apple and you can see these boulders coming down and you wave your arms and you try to stop. i could not stop was happen. the blood thirsty torture people who is just great for any one person. stop the peer interrogation rules of engagement go far beyond geneva convention stress positions,

sleep management, dietary manipulation. all of these things go far beyond a standard which says there will be no physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion that the geneva convention these rules of engagement for interrogation issued by your department are inconsistent with those. my recollection is that any instructions that have been issued or anything that's been authorized by the department, was checked by the lawyers in your shop, in the department, in the office of the secretary of defense and deemed to be consistent with the jan . absolutely. and you do a secretary of defense, donald rumsfeld was convinced that mohammedan retreated 3 of the 911 hijackers. he personally authorized a 90 day special project, stated them how to do with her and as consequences. 7, the order to abuse prisoners was unlawful. but to build up to that unlawful order,

they need a justification. and so what they did was they sent a colonel to guantanamo to look and try to justify what was going on. and he said, going to hannibal be, is america's battle lab. and the moment i heard that evoked memories of nuremberg evoke memories of what the non nazi's were doing experiments, the things they started with was live the professional regime. and then in mass guy brought to the song, it was very dog except for applied and then he stops playing the music lid. the body too small for the long you know, you, i cannot explain to one someone is doing shackle shackleton,

the floor, and a group of people to women and a guy come and talk to them on to me. the know that war has a moral imperative. america after $911.00, was shocked. and i think we had been deeply frightened, and i think that fear was exploited. certainly in the years after that and continued to be exploited. the understanding is more name tv than any other fashion. i, you know, i've met a number of them. you know, so many probably more than anyone else. can you tell me about that?

i can't specifically talk about what i've my meetings with them or what i've learned about these i've met colleagues shake. mohammad holly been natasha the ramsey. been she a mar belushi and her solid? these men were subjected to all these tactics. and there is absolutely no evidence, absolutely not a shred of evidence that, that these tactics used on these men really gave us any intelligence that was important or useful to our country the we created on to in iraq or torture

rock more what we call the isis today, die each ice on the same. it's just a manifestation of torture with these are programs that we created and we're living with those results. you said that you think this is watkins who this is absolutely we're crimes. we knew there were crimes for this new since she is here to rectify 10 years of deceitful and secret collusion to impede the will of the membership into other protest. this battle with the a p a is coming to an end here today to reset our moral compass. we had been trying to, to use to prevent psychologists from being part of national security interrogations

. that supposed to be acknowledged and we apologize for it. and we changed, ah, to being held to 3, you modem was released without a fight. got on a plane and come back home to england. what would have happened would end of the tunnel? would these would these painful with this playful period ever have happened? would i be the person i have today? i called on to those questions, but i do often say to myself, why don't i just get on a plane and go back or let me know how many of these confessions were found to be the result of taught. he was released without charge. after 14 years in guantanamo or i was no match for them. they destroyed and

they won. they are broken. and there is nothing i could say to save my face or to say, or i won. no, i did not. because those people out of professional doctors who studied just for this purpose, to destroy the human spirit and make dependent be then and make them confess to what ever they want them to cautious them. in august 2017. the 2 psychologists who created the cia torture program were about to be put on trial. we were soldiers doing what we were instructed to do. we knew it was lawful, we knew it was a legal. we knew it had been vetted and approved. do you think it's possible as a psychologist, that an individual who was subjected to them suffered long term visible or

psychological part rejection? do you think it's possible that ask me that probation taken to the extreme could induce severe mental pain or suffering? objection? the c, i a settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. no liability was admitted. world law and government will intensify the problem of the growing island. them the 2 of the common man. what we must is to cl won't spread neither friendly nor unfriendly orlando's world in which we must at last take final responsibility for ourselves to ensure that in the fighting isis. and we continue to have all necessary

power to detain terrace wherever we chase them down wherever we find them. and in many cases, for them, it will now be guantanamo bay. william don't construction program has been known that going to move a which could see it treble in population. what makes this issue is going to animal has become the calling crime. torture is some sign of american power that allows people to think that america will be great. again. the united states right now is one terrorist attacks away from re instituting torture. since the 1950s, we know these techniques have been used in afghanistan, argentina,

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