i want them to so because vision or me selfish or not, said the corona crack, it says highlighted the need to rethink the way our society is function to reflect on days, i'm joined by one of the world's most influential thinkers. legendary philosopher, flowers music, legendary philosopher, author of condemning colleagues, 19 shapes the world i've been wanting to talk to for the longest time. welcome to our program. i will be here and i know it will be many if you want to match this up or let's start from this. i remember during last year's famous debate with jordan patterson, you said that humanity will continue to slide toward some kind of apocalypse until

some major catastrophe awakens us in this condemning, be categorized as stretch, exacerbate not the from day me. but the, from day me, it was indeed to get data. we already actually are, but then should be dead, i believe. and we need is mouth connect, and we are not sure why don't we meet you remember, i don't know. i used to speak on the resource cost. everybody knows the main cause the global warming because my ferocity messaging and so on. so we have another day or so. so then because soccer much more exploding united states

less be almost barbara game though. tv, well, united states leasing in the state are those where mass in the state. oh, those who are who are d. kaloni? governmental c. we know now the numbers from you are from united states. we yet, they space i know best and you know, be, i'm state united, just printing money and so on. you can do this any. finally it nice be air guy. he may or may be, i don't know how he be in your job job, but i always follow dish. do you know is this 1st started off a few months here? after that, you know, like in germany,

there was the most faces in billing, almost ready to be i want to speak to my own 3 way offline. i love to be united states. i fear most, most this type of collapse of speech screening. and you've got the breaking down, you'll be good enough to be even you don't get any conspiracy already know. you just say, you know, i want my normal life in fear. crazy uncertainty be the toughest thing for, for a person cited to take need or shear. also, authorities where if we need,

i'm sure to say be it will open some of my democrats. we need low feet here if you need us who grew but also is you said give you a certain well, i don't know blocking what i find the show find is how although i agree, we rely on science stuff. i don't remember the video. do you remember how we need to begin? we february, my mother was just waiting for that sheet. if she were there will be some things where even bled about showing plain critique doing. i mean you connect with my family wonderful. it goes

all over. all those theories of the way, the way check old race. now we see it's one of the way all wrong. we know some basic things, but we really don't know what's going on. or i want to say that's my message or the forget about the old to be, you know, or if my dad lives we live with not just this is just called for a new stage. we are going to problems global warming or made in europe in sean, and we don't believe a new state we can confront in an organized way.

so, and that's the construct your final message. we're never going to go back to what we are used to call normal, right. and our regular recent, i'll bet you say that things with certain crisis that they can drive on for years in some cases may never. and the kids with co 19 and maybe you know, again, or, you know, i don't know what to expect vaccines into long i am i what, what do you mean be something and i want that. i don't think i want any other dialogue. if you have just been immigration in countries that they follow closely, my own risk. yes. we get something we are more and more getting something people call a car online. people die. oh, close the news or both on the dangers and so on and so on. and somehow i don't want

even to be, we'd be in the go in my own country, there is no new log base. and then people who don't, many people don't, must keep in shape in the restaurant. they do, i know they were quite a few, or in the most sense, you can re look only below those, but yes, yes. okay. so again, again, this is what i am afraid off. of course i agree with those who say we can definitely be if you then we never where we always we need to be back

quite a few will be at least you know, gets to work out the say you will order food. yes. somebody just to bring your food and so on. and so what i'm saying is that each eat may get a little bit better. we make a lot, but it won't accept that this is we we throw one guy over better money state and then we will change our way of life. so if you look at it from the other side and then, well, are you saying it's a permanent state? and when you say supremacy for many that they panic because they don't want that certain. but then the other hand is, this is something that we need to get used to, to adjust our habit to use the economy. maybe it is

a good thing that happened to us because maybe it was a long time that when needed to stop and think, where are you going to agree with you here? although i don't want to be too keen, eager, you know, kenny are saying into us that rabbit and i and i always say if you didn't like these to match and give you as i oh nice. you can then justify us know, because we don't know state of the but this is how i will you think that the same be didn't know where it made more, more busy, but all the other danishes, mainly daddy security be gone for the social dangelo. and so one lady here go, that's what the dc does show got at least in the sense i totally

agree with you. it can be, i wouldn't say a good be something that we to confirm to be ok. so there is another question we did did were, and we, except the fact that the crisis is permanent, it's a permanent state. but after a while it becomes a permanent state. it's no longer a crisis. and this soon as the thriving virus is accepted as the new normal sense of urgency and the need for me to change is gone. how should society keep the determination to act upon the change a life if we accept the crisis of the normal 1st? if we accept, i think we are not, yes. if we accepted in weekend and you know, it will be okay, but 1st it's not just the crisis. shouldn't be an arm of goss here. we can be,

we can lower the danger and so, and so on. basic message to me just economy. he got a letter that he's low and i think we are really at the beach is still when will this matter be over? that's what we get school every day. me look best objects these by your law goes by . okay. me good, whatever event we slow because global society, we leave. let's make a cynical experiment. imagine there's a he came out in the late 90 or meet the 50 seems to be really care about became smaller local feet. so, you know,

even if we are going to bless us, bless in the sense of we don't give him a back seen or we are doing got defensive measure us. so to the sense and so on. i think that we can do quite both at the level of social organization. okay, hold on there and then take a short break right now when we're back we'll continue talking to one of the biggest mines of 20th and 21st century language is about what's going to happen to societies in post corona, iraq. stay with us on the

the, the, the, the, the other stuff. and then i need to talk to someone, i can find them and i can offer job when i'm in a position where they need to check on it for me, which mobile phone bill. and it isn't about what we're doing today. but it was

easy. i got to know how to choose, it could put an office, me going to bid as belong to the one to tell you the other hand that you need. because that quote, should the ah, and we're back talking to philosophers language. it's not, like you said, this is not just like economy or paradigm crisis. it's also a psychological crisis. and what was the intent of people out in the street demanding, and then to like massive corporations or banks. we have people out demanding into certain statues and police races, or in the mandatory wearing masks and forsythe relation. what needs to happen in

your view for people's protest, energy to be directed into a path of fundamental social change. i am here, but i mean, if you ask me, well, i was some of the stand and she, i don't think that these are these energies. we've come together by again by us economics against sex user. and so that will be and you will make up progress, your movement and so on. and so we know that today i will coordinate some dates for your protest against to stay in western europe again. so go along, getting the same, and you're down into a woman describing the united states against you.

we don't respect the most, don't you being they need to be sustained by logical of belief. all right? we have some already very old fashioned problem. it's not advise whether we can do anything. finally, we old fashioned beliefs based upon and so on and wrong. there was something escape from not only green but also left. mean guess joint 10 fear. i don't agree. we don't even some of my friends who claims your medical id. it's not dyersburg amongst, you know, we need in

a moment. it's us now our life. it's not a bite of do we don't change or not? i would like and the only i would see a much stronger role of state and society. i like to work me to be dispatched. i don't mean to be studying the strait, but i mean there, there should be when the speaker probably concerns. we've got a meeting where we need we need food. co it be done again. the problem is, i mean got your intervention. it's no longer the market when you're thing. when a man, when it hospital does that, that could be just as

a massive global response to tackled and some demick. but when you say we need new communism, i don't always understand because to me, for someone who live, talk over lives and communism like you, company isn't a great idea, but it just doesn't work when applied to people. so you tell me what exactly does that entail when you say we need new comments or what exactly what, what was your certainly if you can call me be sure what day is something that can be considered before empower. could you call me measure which i don't mean by by, by the way it's getting, although he's also gone by lease, but when i'm giving every family $1200.00 or whatever. so this

is already why universe, you basic income. this is all i mean by coming shop way to reach probably walked away. you probably any day. right? well, i was over a few problems. we could only go where i remember all going the skies how you know, if you send me the, when the say kim, please over a space or action and so on and so on. but we're not going to need when you decided to go economy, when you say the new communism is when you have to market economy, but it is a political economy as well. it makes sense. of course, for me it has the downfalls because there is much less freedom. but, you know, i guess you have to choose what kind of freedom you know here

a little bit. let me nice, you know, really made this famous bond freedom. yes. but who was and so on and so on. you know, i always seem to it's not enough. think to me meet for you don't do what us a choice in essential freedom. can i do united states or not paid? oh, nice, nice book of course. but we don't always so mean the spot and she somehow deep it into the valley. the some delay in the society develops when you say that the corporations and banks, she's not tell society people what they want, what to do? how do you mean that something?

yes, shoot or or are people i don't want to sound condescending or are people to be completely trusted? i think you're interviewed somewhere. i think a democracy in the sense that people decide they think, sorry about who and then people who formulate their steady danger, all which can go into the option that you know, we usually hear all i'm saying is that market logic doesn't what i hear back is logic alone, the market forces you to profit such space off many places. for example, it's very interesting to read books or essays on what goes on in may be good industry. do you know how many companies have thought of us in the west is for

making, but they know that from the market day to roll on selling deal more expensive many things surveyed by the copyright. and so i'm just so i will probably save whatever will be done by now. i hope you like the spot. they use a couple of my idea would sure be me again. come, you need your we you can watch the united states. you know, people say you made mistakes. i know we can even imagine what chunk of the lady julie and i will let him try me. he's better. he will be your cursor

when we are nice. may be yes, we need control any problem. see the state or follows on my iphone where i move. ready into ross, need any you know, i know united states where all going to be compelled by an internal call or should be we should look through us fire the most of these where, when we are not even aware that it's probably a lead united states. people really think i like the ideal coast corano world according to ga, but now he's going to be also be modest

lies. and so well, no, no, it will not be nice. i mean the center of it has more use. why does this exam? because already what you're saying, okay, we got everybody to survive. but correct me if i wrong and you now used and they had the notion of the war and is what i wanna ask you about. because post war, relative stability always rested on a social contract. that implies that implied that citizens paid their dues while government keep improving the leading standards. now the crisis has completely highlighted in hyphened, all the issues with social contract, with dolly paying their dues and government having nothing to give back. what will be in the, the governments of the world do now to regain the trust of the public because it's

not going to be not going to be like before anymore. what can be done to regain that trust? what i am afraid, ambitious happening, especially in the united states, is that you know, i don't think this is a bad deal. can you go inside the phone, bolling me, i mean, best probably going to demo that. it was some kind of basic leak. gosh, or i would say back we played against the game of can be seen by me and so on the back there, in spite of the ones that we share, calling back in the united states. i, she's, she's personal madness. that seems maybe he will not be a good life. electra, he's out on anybody. successful demarcus?

she gets a lead me in the sense that we've got the game we didn't serve and what i said is this, not every country will be after the in between they may go to a new probably want to go, so call me back. we will need a new social progress. i hope she got me that she'd, i'm afraid that i'm you know, i know because my god, i love to join america against america. like some of my stupid the spring. i mean, no, america get to make our social crises. it will be very dangerous. in all the crafts. i don't want to see america or we should be a good one and they need to be and you brought back

well that note of suspense. i want to end our wonderful top. thank you very much. thank you so much and i hope we meet again. okay. thanks very much. bye bye. the ah . ah ah. ah

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