the, the news the ah, welcome to so because vision or me feel free shit or not said the corona crisis, i highlighted the need to rethink the way our society is function. to reflect on based on joined by one of the world's most influential thinkers. legendary philosopher, flowers music, legendary philosopher, author of condemning, colleague 19 shakes the world. i've been wanting to talk to for the longest time. welcome to our program. i will be here and i know it will be if you want

to much or maybe let's start from this. i remember during last year's famous debate with georgian patterson, you said that he managed to continue to slide toward some kind of apocalypse until some major catastrophe. awakens us in this condemning, be categorized as stretched after fi, no damage. but the damage was indeed to get that we already got believed and we need daily daily is now connected. we are not sure why don't we meet you remember, i don't know. you already speak on the scene shot record cost.

everybody knows the main cause global warming because my ferocity managing and so on. so we have another she's the social because she's a, she's soccer match. mark exploding united states. let's be almost barbara. oh, strong guy. no tv, well united states leasing in the state are those where mass in the state of those who are who are d kaloni governmental penalty. we know now numbers from united states, we pay 40 states at no stage united have just putting money into one you can do these up to finally use the

same guy. he managed to estimate these. i don't know how he'd be in your back job job, but i always follow dish. do you know he's 1st started off a few months here. asher and you know, like in germany, there was the most faithful believe almost ready to be, but i want to speak to my own 3 way offline. i received the united states, glad i fear most, most decided side of the collapse of their speech. excuse me, kelly, and you've got the break down. you'll be your last. you do not will be even you don't get any conspiracy already know. you're just say, you know,

be my normal life in fear. crazy uncertainty. the toughest thing for a person cited to take need, or shear. also a bunch of these were not if we need now, i'm sure to say be it will open some of my democrats. we need now feel we need those. who also is you said you well, i don't know when i show that he's buying pounds, although i agree we rely on science stuff. he's love. do remember the clear image, do you remember how we need to begin february?

my mother was just waiting for that sheet. if she were, there will be some things from i would even glad about showing play increase doing. i mean you connect my family wonderful. it goes all over. all those theories of the way wave check old race. now we see it's one of the way or wrong. we know some basic things, but we really don't know what's going on or i want to say that's my message or the forget about the old to be, you know, all of my life. we do live with not just this is just the last day so far.

my name stays we problems, nobody was mean good or maybe in europe and sean and we think globally a new state we can confront in the organized way. so, and that's the construct your final message that we're now going to go back to what we are used to call normal, right. and our regular recent bag, you say that things with certain crisis that they can drive on for years in some cases may never. and it's the case with co 19 and maybe, you know, again i, you know, i don't know what to expect of vaccines and so on. i am i what, what are the me the something there's and i wanted that i know, but i think i want any other dialogue. if you have this thing impression in countries that they follow closely. my own the center where

we get something, we are more and more getting something people call a car online. people die out of the news or both on the dangers and so on and so on. and somehow i don't want to be we beat and they go out in my own car even if there is now a new base. and then people who don't, many people don't keep in shape in the restaurant. they do, i know they where you are in the most sense. she can re look only below those, but yes, yes. okay. so again, again, this is what i am afraid off. of course i agree. we don't go over

your lease. we said we can definitely kind of be if you, then we never where we always, we may be back quite a few will be at least before the bus and you know, gets worked out and they say you already got a pool. yes. somebody has to bring your food and so on. and so what i'm saying is that each eat may get a little bit better. we may not want me to accept that this is we've got a food we throw in one guy nowhere betterment in state. and we will change our way of life. so if you look at it from the

other side, and if you're saying it's a permanent state and when you take the permanent state for many a panic because they don't want that certain. but on the other hand, if this is something that we need to get used to, to adjust our habit to use the economy, maybe it is a good thing that happened to us because maybe it was a long time that when needed to stop and think where are you going to agree the deal here, although i don't want to be too kimmy good. you know, kinney are saying into us that rabbit. and i, and i always say if you didn't like these guys i oh nice. you can then justify because for me don't progress probably, you know, state of the but this is how i will use those are the things i didn't know where it made more,

more or less dangerous. mainly daddy security be gone for the social dangelo. and so one lady here, it's not just what the d. c show got the least in the sense i totally agree with you. it can be, i wouldn't say a good be something that really control. okay, so there is another question. i would dig deeper and wakes up the fact that the crisis is permanent. it's a permanent state, but after a while it becomes a permanent state. it's no longer a crisis. and as soon as the right of virus is accepted as a new normal sense of urgency and the need form to change is gone. how should society keep the determination to act upon the change a life if we accept the crisis as the normal?

first, if we accept, i think we are not, yes. if we accept it and then you know, it will be okay, by 1st it's not there guys. this should be an arm of goss here. we can be we can lower the danger and so and so on. basic message to be just dead economy level. so on very low normally. and i think we are really dream when will this matter be over? that's what we get school every day. me look, that's objective by your law. goes by. okay, me good. whatever event we have this slow, because global society, we leave. let's make

a cynical experiment. let's imagine that he came out in the late 90 or mean 1956. been trying to really care about became a smaller local peak. so, you know, even if we are going to change the virus shall bless in the sense of we don't give him a scene or we are doing a defensive mess. so to the stance and so on. i think that we can do quite well at the level of social organization. okay, hold your thought there. then take a short break right now when we're back, we'll continue talking to one of the biggest mines of 20th and 21st century slum which is about what's going to happen to societies in post corona, iraq. stay with us

on the the, i think it's part of mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze political claims, psychological language and mental health became more common. so if you disagree or something i said on this program, you know, just say i just agree with you. i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your evidence or logic. you say your micro grass mate, you say you triggered me. you said you hard me again, some psychological way, just news or psychological terms. and i guess an enormous problem for politics

because it's almost impossible to have a discourse on that terrain. the problem on the death failing is that it forces them to admit what that number is like 3 or 2, which are the money supply numbers. once the numbers got so scary, they stop reporting them. similarly with the debt ceiling kabuki theater, that happens every couple of years. they're just going to get rid of it won't even announce that number. it will be impossible to find what the debt with american is . i'll just say a number sign for infinity, the other stuff. and then we need to talk to someone who actually put in touch

with anybody women i've met when i'm in a position, any questions for me? which mobile phone you want to just about what it was, what you're doing today. i'm doing it, but it was easy. i got to get how do you think you put an offer me quite a bit as long food? one me to tell you the truth that he can, that's why you need that. is that quote that we should the

ah, and we're back talking to philosophy language. usually it's not like you said, not just like economy or paradigm crisis. it's also a psychological crisis. what we see instead of people out in the st, demanding, and then to like massive corporations or banks. we have people out demanding and to certain statues and police races, or, and mandatory wearing masks and foresight relation. what needs to happen in your view for people's protest, energy to be directed into a path of fundamental social change? i am here, but that she me, if you ask me, well, i was some of the stand and she, i don't think that now ought to be in the address. we're going to gather fight against the by us economics,

against she's going to be and you will make up progress, your movement and so on and so wrong. we know that today i don't well coordinate some things. and for example, your protest against staking rest of your out again. so go along getting the same years down into a woman was describing the united states against you. we don't respect for the most progress, don't you being they were to be sustained by logical of the all my really we hear some already very old fashioned problem. it's not violence whether we can do anything. finally,

we old fashion believe based on and so wanting to wrong. don't think of escape from not only green goes, but also left being guess joint 10 fear. i don't agree. we don't even some of my friends who claim your medical. it's not dyersburg amongst, you know, we live in a political moment. it's just now our life. it's not boys. do we don't change our life changing and the only boss i see so much stronger over the state. and i like to hear about me to be dispatched.

i don't mean studying the straight, but i mean there should be when the speaker probably concerns we've got to be where we need we need food. co it be done again, the probably starving. got your intervention. it slow when you're thing, when a man, when it hospital does that, that could be just as a massive global response to tackled and some demick. but when you say we need new communism, i don't always understand because to me, for someone who live top over lives and communism like you, company isn't, is a great idea, but h, as doesn't work when applied to people. so you tell me what exactly does that entail when you say we need new comments or what exactly. what was your

certainly if you will be in sure. what is something that could be considered to be fully empower good deal. let me measure which i don't mean by by, by probably way is giving, although he's also driving and he's gone. but when i'm giving every family $1200.00 or whatever, show you this is already what was your basic income. this is all i mean by go shop way to reach probably walked away. you probably any day it was over. you know me. we were only going to be well aware. i remember all going the size, how you know,

and like one of them you can be when the say, kim, please over space or action and so on and so on. but we'd nonetheless need, well, you decided to go economy when you say the new communism is when you have to market economy, but it is a political economy as well. it makes sense. of course, for me it has downfalls because there is much less freedom. but, you know, i guess some, you have to choose what, what kind of freedom you look here a little bit over me, you know, lay me made this famous bond freedom. yes. but who walk and so on and so on. you know, i always seem to it's not enough. think to me me for you don't do a choice in the sense, feel free to united states or not paid. oh, nice,

nice broke of that of course. but please don't shoot me the spot. and she bought some home people in the valley, the summer, how delayed the society develops. when you say that the corporations and banks should not tell societies and people what they want, what to do, how do you mean that something else should or are people? i don't want to sound condescending or are people to be completely trusted? i think you're interviewing someone, i think of democracy in the sense that people, besides every think, sorry about who and then people who formulate, she's the she steadied danger, all which can go into action and so on.

you know, we hear all i'm saying is that market logic doesn't what i hear back is logic alone because market forces you to profit such space off many places. for example, it's very interesting to read books or essays on what goes on may be good industry . do you know how many companies are in the west where you are making? but they know that from the market they do roll on selling, deal more expensive magazines, kobe by the copyright, and so i'm just, some guy will probably save whatever we should be done by now. i hope you like the song that they use a couple of my idea should be me. again from you need your we you

can watch the united states, you know, people say what united states i know we need to be. can you even imagine what chunk of the lady julie and i will try and we will be he will be your cursor when we are nice. may be yes, we need control and you program see the state or follows on my iphone where i move into a you know, i know united states where all are going to be comparable to buy an internal and so on. but should be

we should know what back to us, this might be the most dangerous for of these where when we are not even aware of this with united states, people really think that i don't know how i like the ideal post corano world according to ga but now he's going to be also be more that live and so well, no, no, it will not be nice. i mean this is more you throughout the exam because sorry. what about the audio? say okay, we got everybody to survive. correct me if i were wrong and you now used and they had the notion of the war and this is what i wanna ask you

about. because post war, relative stability always rested on a social contract. that implies that implied that citizens paid their dues while government keep improving the leading standards. now the crisis has completely highlighted and my husband all the issues with social contract, with dolly paying their dues in government, having nothing to give back. what will be in the, the governments of the world do now to regain the trust of the public because it's not going to be not going to be like before anymore. what can be done to regain that? try what i am afraid. ambitious happening, especially in the united states, is that, you know, i don't think this is bad about 10 years ago in cycle. hold on, let me go back to the city. probably going to democrats. there was some kind of

basic oblique. gosh, or i will say back, we play the game, the game of me. and so on, piece back. despite the ones that we share, this is falling apart. stage my personal madness that maybe he will not equalize. electra, he's out in the market. she gets the lead, lead me in the sense that we've got the game we deem a circumstance that what i said is not every 3 will be after the dates in there period between they may go to a new probably one or so called social got back we will need

a new social progress. i hope that she'd, i'm afraid that i am, you know, because my god, what jordan american gave against america like some of my you believe the spring know in america against make our social guys it will be very dangerous in the graphs. i don't want to keep america, are we to really a good one and they want they need to be and you so well that modal suspense i want to end our wonderful top. thank you very much. thank you so much and i hope will meet soon again. okay, thanks very much. bye bye. bye.

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