to leave the packet on people's party chevy ref one. plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of a journalist to reveal the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before you think position, either jeremy coban outside london. hi court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against the judgment, the extradition to the usa might kill him. but 1st, as expected by many, the former ca back taliban is sweeping across the canvas. done. after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital. cobble is president. chef. got his special on board for buck is funny affairs moment. my dad's i thank you so much special for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared the for the majority in the, in the taliban. we got the talks at the talks in coffee are and what you understand is going on. i suppose, especially on the your remit. as regards the package on afghan border when it comes

to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate that sense made this year when the us formally declared that they were parked by september, wanting to be in because the u. s. support to suddenly see, i mean s or c have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take cities there. and actually the alluded to that when there was a visit to moscow that they may not embark on taking city, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically it's fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks are there. they're going gone, but little hope is now what i should used hoping now attached to

that piece drugs and do all this. so one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off carbon as they can on the lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened which is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose debt, then it could be konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there, i mean i should say at the support according to the by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials, both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived

in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say to the conditions their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who released the de la thing didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 42 years, and this kind of situation a, wadding group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts, then they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse.

what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads. they increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not going picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what, that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any, see a presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african, the offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is

not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to, to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god. and they all, they're all, he knew there was no news of some kind of intervention. us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention. our were the african forces support the one way or the other?

you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them, who emanate of go to jang, and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and at the same time they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. well, when that's not how people are honest and see, i mean people blame us. that last sponsor really. and i hear the same database going on in washington also, particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years. and the diplomatic and military,

they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the $8500.00 troops, the presence enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against. let's say china or against russia. i mean that's, that's a d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see, personally, so far, i mean, the administration that was born in the born conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington. let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably,

until the next trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done. and what evidence to the acting interior minister ab ms or whatever, to have the saying the taliban are moving tanks to pakistan or that i don't know. i don't know. some american accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pickups. the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line, or why the stall and when the us applies were coming through. that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. i'm a, do you believe the pakistan, the government of iran con, is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the

cities and regions where that's all he d, b in the past? 42 years by them has been involved then i've done. and since the taliban emerge in 1994, they were very special needs. are you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically they are in, was that up i can find the national see fighting alongside side tyler have the been sent by bikes, traditions, or how they crossed all by themselves. or because started whether i logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well they, they of course deny that. obviously, we saw pictures of us are gone with general. dost him?

what is the difference really for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on. the warlord, i mean general dosed him. did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead it a lie. give it a gun. there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think that message or for the money or his intentions, i misunderstood. he wants those, there was no political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah,

but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanctions are very different in issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's not that when there's a problem and in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees trying they're trying, it's not new by the past many years,

but i am sure it's going to increase because the price of housing is going down in carbon and other city because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe, especially i thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry iraq. mind about pending allegations. that is, i'm about is a doing the taliban all listen more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground the the, the, the, i think is part of mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze political claims. the language of mental health became more common. so if you disagree with something i said on this program, you know,

just say i just agree with you. i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your adventure logic. you see your micro grass mate, you say you triggered me. you said you hard me again, some psychological way because those are psychological terms. and i guess an enormous problem for politics because it's almost impossible to have a discourse on that terrain. the welcome back. and when we spoke to the afghan president, special worship like a sunny affairs, as cobble, and his lama seek to go operate after defeated nato troops retreat from the hindu kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan, now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from karachi is parliamentary leader,

the pakistan peoples, body, sheriff, man, thank you so much. and senator, for coming on the show, i mean, you just come up with a book, women's explaining activism, politics modality and but guess on how ease with itself is pockets thought of the 21 gun, 31 gun salute and prayers. they scream out into the night on national day to day. well, there's scream out into the day actually. and focused on is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak. but dictionary, because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headlines, we look toward structure problems. we look to was the need for further resilience. but what we're seeing today is an impending theories of challenges. pockets on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the

best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you go more to 65 percent of the population? so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity, these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world to repair began arguably in china,

close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023, that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way. if you want me and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really needs to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region and was wanting to know which really from the advantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping taliban, your neighbor in africa, in afghan,

it's done. we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us serial bombardment of afghanistan has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the us and u. k. troops leave, well look at what's happening in one son right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure off, the real american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation of but saw, had the big push in reconciliation with the thought of bond that they have sought to legitimize and giving room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have given power to so to say, now that baka son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that,

that man don't me thank to re bid live in lash whatever rules that apartment the door. and they also have access to it. i know it has a state now. there are many, many actors and players interested in the british, but i've been focused on isn't the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes. iran and the taliban are given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911, should they have invaded pakistan because it was package somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons, it would have made it harder for native i think that it's not even a question i can fix usually it's but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been

a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that packet involved open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was, again, cited, esteemed them at that time. it was a war against data, but you know how these curated narrative go. and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guys out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. they've

been, they invested in fostering in the back in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon, when there was a balance of power in the field. then perhaps they would not be seen the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is $65000000000.00? one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker, the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan. should it be may, june. now the take the lead. i think that the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the stability, the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i've ever had an appetite for any combat

rule in the sun. and the wind just been over this pockets on easy because it catches the coal ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this a when i mean i off this is a special oh boy, isn't it a win win for washington. d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those. the china considers terrorists are destabilization. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big bench? i mean this is like eating. so with the pork their foreign policy follows a different strategic temp. they like to grow their way to countries and they like

to use economy power. and for that surely needs to be stable. surely the centralization states and box the needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as guarantee. there should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has certainly taken a lead, so i was russia despite prescribing that balance. they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have that one is stable for us for, for some length of time and to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, the thing a military solution are all in the bad. there is

a human tragedy on boarding and it's done and it's not boxed on or it on or just the, just the neighbors are responsibility. be in dire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a sample 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper, office owns. don't you think? so this is sherry wright, one happy natural day and thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez wiki leaks . organization published the afghan war logs, which pulled the rug and the so called mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media. producer phenomena went down to the protests of the

high court and caught up with form a u. k. opposition lead to jeremy colbin, one of the many voices calling for a son. his freedom already be your message to forest johnson. of course, it's up to him whether julian, the thought is actually for 175 years. i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before he became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song, his uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has been rolled ahead with its pond. do you think it'll do the same for doing this on when it's gotta get past the courts here? and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian orange, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of scrubbing, of course,

possible laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government . do you think this is a wider war on press? freedom press freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of worlds. the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and break decision to uncover corruption and the dangers to all of us to climate change. then we need frustrated, real, frustrated with also things done. you will help us with revealing the extent of us john strike. he's been job number 4 to 5 months. so do you see like the white a warm list is julianna's sandra casualty, almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really

a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up on him, i show a page is actually about signing up, press freedom everywhere and 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen you and human rights are both thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in a thought might commit suicide? well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health in the situation . the judge recognize that assume i wasn't mental health and he would be at a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was there, there is an answer. the a broader movement among european political hawkins. i'm talking about ordering a auction in helping to get yes. the reason why they're moving to coordinate action on this, i raised the matter, for example,

the last 2 sessions accounts to the euro. with kevin td, who's a member of the irish were going to a song that ration and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament is one of course as integration parliament by people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julie in the song? so actually be free. what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of his administration, well, did many things off the top his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect pressed him by to do better than the former. they believe jeremy

call been speaking to going under social media producer for her out there. and you can catch up with all around coverage on youtube channel, including exclusive interviews with julian assange himself. that's up in the show where we back on monday with an exploration of humanities present and it's on certain future when we speak to finance of an author of the frontiers of knowledge and c grayling until then. keep in touch with social media. let us know if you think the 20 year warrant tara has been one of the worst ever mess. shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the tragedy a close a little of the real left. where many say elected officials are controlled by casino owners. the dangerous shooting revealed what? the l v n p d really is. and now it's part of the spin machine to the american public barely

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