i should add, used coping know attached to the piece, dogs and do all this. so one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off cobbler's, economic lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opens, which is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose that, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there. i mean i should say the support according to the by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials of both in moscow and with

officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say that the conditions, the wordings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who can release the de listing didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the, for 2 years, and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts. they would have lost momentum, so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison, those as an excuse. what is the extent of ca,

involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not going picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what, that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african, the offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is

not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. have any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business and perhaps the school could place in less kinda and they all, there are, there was news of some kind of intervention us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force the intervention are, were the african forces support the one way or the other?

you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and as the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them, who emanate of course, who's in jang and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is based on borders. and at the same time, they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh, when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us that sponsor really and i hear the same database going on in washington also. particularly people who served it up on a sunday the past 20 years. and the diplomatic feel in military,

they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, the presence enough, understand what sustainable. it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against, let's say china or against russia. i mean that's, that's a d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very. i see it personally so far, i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably,

until the next, the trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done what evidence to the acting interior minister, ab subs, ms. wells, whatever it says you have the saying, the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan. or that i don't know. i don't know. some minute can actually has been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up the hound rees, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line, or what the stall. and when the u. s. supplies were coming through, that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe that packet found the government of him run con is involved in what is happening in afghanistan?

as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions where that's all he d, b in the past. 42 years by spam has been involved in this done. and since the taliban emerge in 1994, they were very special. needs are rubbing, are you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically they are in, was that up? i can stand the national seat fighting along side, tolliver have been sent by bikes, traditions, or how they crossed by themselves. or because started when i did a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they are supporting. it's very hard for me to verify. well they, they of course deny that. obviously, we saw pictures of us are gone with general. dost him,

what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban, or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on? the warlord, i mean, general dawson, did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be out of your government and your lead a lie given a gun? there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended 11 or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think the message or for the money or his intentions are misunderstood. he wants to warner or political lars, or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the ottoman police. yeah,

but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran has taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in afghanistan? sanctions are very different in issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's not that when there is problem and in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees trying they're trying, it's not new by the past many years,

but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe, especially i thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry rock mon about pending allegations. that is, i'm about is aiding the taliban. all this coming up the pot to have going on the ground. the, the, the, the british and american government sivilton being accused of destroying lives in their own interest. while you see in this, these techniques is the state devising message to end, essentially destroy personality of an individual. lifetime means this is

how one doctors, theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community, and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. to the victim say they still with the consequences today the welcome back and thought when we spoke to the afghan president special, i was like a sunny affairs. as cobble in his lum, about 60, cooperate after defeated nato troops retreats from the hindu kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from karachi is parliamentary leader, the focused on people's body sherry for the mind. thank you. so much and senator

for coming on the show. i mean, you just come out with a book, women's explaining activism, politics, modality and bogus, and how ease with itself is pockets thought of the $21.00 gun, $31.00 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day today. well, there's scream out into the day actually and focused on is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak, but dictionary because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headlines, we look towards structural problems. we look towards the need for further resilience, but what we're seeing today in an impending theories of challenges practice on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show,

we have a situation where are you go more to 65 percent of the population. so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity, these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world to repair began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of

a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023, that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way. if you are me and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region and was wanting to break now, which really from the vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that his son is involved in helping with taliban. your neighbor in africa and afghan is done. we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us serial bombardment of

afghanistan has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the us and u. k. troops leave one look at what's happening and one son right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure off the american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation has failed of. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the bond that they have to legitimize and give room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have reviews and given power to. so to say, now that baka, son is responsible for you know, giving thanks judy that, that man, don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever rules and apartment the door and

they also have access to it. i know it has a state now, there are many, many actors and players interested in debility, but i think the sun is in the front line of those. not sure. i'm not child clothes, iran and the taliban given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911, should they have invaded pakistan because it was packaged somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons. it would have made it hard if a native i think that it's not even a question i could use the it's but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, he could have been a conceivable tort. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents,

but the point, but which is the issue is that pakistan involved open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was again slighted extenders, and at that time it was a war against. but you know how these curated narrative go? and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guy out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. the when they invested in fostering in the badlands in the bad old days and had

been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon when there was a balance of power in the field, then perhaps he would not be seen the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think all that is? i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 it is $65000000000.00. one report says a chinese investment in pakistan to china broker. the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan, should it be may, june. now the take the lead. i think that the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the ability, the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think either has an appetite or any gone back in

the sun. and the point just been, i was a pockets on easy because it catches a call back that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? it d stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment . it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those. the china considers terrorists are destabilization. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big bench? i mean this is like eating. so with the pork their foreign policy follows a different strategic temp. they like to grow their way to countries and they like

to you cannot make power. and for that surely of understand needs to be stable. surely this innovation needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as yet. and there should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken e lead. so i was russia despite prescribing with all of us. they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have stables for us, for, for some length of time and to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, the thing a military solution are all in the back seat. there is

a human tragedy on boarding an apartment, and it's not like a sun or it on or just the, just the neighbor responsibility be in dire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a sample 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper it under some office owns. don't you think? so this is sherry wright, one happy natural day and thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez with he leeks organization, publish the afghan war logs, which pulled the rug and the so called mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media. producer phenomena went down to the protests of the high court and caught up with form a u. k. opposition liter. jeremy colbin,

one of the many voices calling for a son, just read it already. be your message to far as johnson. of course, it's up to him. whether julian, the thought is actually 475 years. i would say devoris johnson. you've made your life before you became an m p as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has been rolled ahead with its ponds. do you think it will do the same for doing this? on when it's gotta get past the court, and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian phones, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we're seeing the birth of scrubbing, of course, possible laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government

. do you think this is a wider war on press? freedom press freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of worlds, the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make brave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and dangerous to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated real, frustrated with also things done. you will help us with revealing the cause of us john strike. he's been up to 5 months. so do you see like why a warning listen is julianna's sondra casualty? it's almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. and so us

standing up on him, i show a page is actually about signing up, press freedom everywhere, and 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen you and human rights are both thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in a san might commit suicide? well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health in the situation . the judge recognize that it's sue krazer was a threat to his mental health, and he would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was there, there is an out of the a broad movement among european political parties from policy to hold an action in helping generous. yes. the reason why the movement of action on this i raised the matter, for example, the last 2 sessions accounts the euro with kevin td, who's

a member of the irish were treated as owners iteration. and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament as well as close as integration parliament and by people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today, that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julie in the song? so actually be free. what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of his administration, well, did many things of the top his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect press combined to do better than the former. they believe jeremy

call been speaking to going under social media producer for had out there and you can catch up with all around coverage on youtube channel, including exclusive interviews with julian assange himself that's up in the show will be back on monday with an exploration of the relatives present and it's on certain future when we speak to philosophy, an author of the frontier of knowledge and c grayling until then to touch my social media. let us know if you think the 20 year warrant tara, as the future. ah ah ah ah! the number

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i think is part of mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze political claims the language of mental health became more common. so if you disagree with something i said on this program, you know, just say i just agree with you. i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your evidence or logic. you see your micro grass mate, you say you triggered me. you said your heart be again in some psychological way because those are psychological terms. and i guess an enormous problem for politics because it's almost possible to have a discourse on that terrain. the one of the worst ever mass shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the

tragedy a close a little of the real last vegas lamb. any say elected officials are controlled by christina learners. the vegas shooting revealed what? the l v m p. d. really is, and now it's part of the machine to the american public barely remembers that it happens. that just shows you the power of money in las vegas. the powerful showed that true colors when the pandemic had the most contagious contagion that we've seen in decades. and then you have a mayor who doesn't care to, here's caroline goodman, offering the lives of the vegas residence. to be the control group, to the shiny facade concealer deep indifference to the people the vice could have been saved if they were to take an action. absolutely, keep the registering and keep the slot machines doing. this is a money machine is a huge cash register that is ran by people who don't care about people's lives being lost.

the a gun he's done is spinning out of control. stunned by the taliban. rapid advance towards cargo big un, or just the minutes in group to hold the violence in afghanistan. meanwhile, the president refuses to step down going against the key taliban condition for a peace deal. that while africa national to risk the lives assisting foreign military is now fee of violent retaliation from the resurgent taliban. we speak to a former translator, who often has ident need to be concealed for his and his family safety. first from the belief that he would hug down or an interpreter who served to partition american forces, it would be the african interpreters, created the ultimate course. and

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