it did then dominate news now is was basically it's fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying. the stocks are there, they're green gong, but little hope is now what i should used hoping now attached to the piece drugs and drew on this one or 2 months. what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off carbon as it cannot be, lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened, which change is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose that, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there. i mean i should say at the

support according to the, by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials of both in moscow and with officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say that the conditions, their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who released the de listing didn't take bass. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 42 years, and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that i can get

50 after taking over a lot of districts, then they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed, may see a train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not going picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what, that's what that's in horse and

a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any. see a presence, i mean, in the form of the, the afghan, the offshoots, i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground permanent. have any schools being bombed by the us warplanes, the reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to, to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god. and they all, they're all, he knew there was news of some kind of an intervention us in the job,

which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force the intervention are, were the african forces support the one way or the other, you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and as the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them. who emanates, of course, who's in jang and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and at the same time, they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. when that's not how people find this and see,

i mean people blame us that sponsor really? and i hear the same database going on in washington also, particularly people who served it up on a sunday the 1st 20 years. and the diplomatic feel in military, they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, the presence enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against. let's say china or against russia. i mean, that's the d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see personally, so far, i mean the administration that was born in the born conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from

now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done. what evidence to the acting interior minister, ab subs, ms. wells, whatever it says you have the saying, the taliban are moving tanks to pakistan. or that i don't know. i don't know. some american acids had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up, so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or what the stall. and when the u. s. supplies were coming through. that's very difficult to verify for

a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe the pakistan, the government of iran con, is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions? well, that's all he did in the past. 42 years and has been involved in this done. and since the taliban emerge in 1994, there was very special needs a rubbing or you are the special envoy. so is that happening? mental i cannot say militarily, politically they are in, was that up i can stand the national see fighting along side tyler have the been sent by bikes, 30 institutions or how they crossed all by themselves. or because started whether i

logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well, they of course deny that. obviously, we saw pictures of us or have gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban, or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on? the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead alike gave it a gun. there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think that message that i need or his intentions

. i misunderstood. he wants those, there was no political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanction is a very different issue. it's a long time you should between iran in the us, the around is a neighbor. and it's not that when there is problem and in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me

on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees try? they're trying, it's not new by the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe. especially. all right, thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition. lead to sherry rec mind about pentagon allegations. that is, i'm about is aiding the taliban. all this is coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have is crazy plantation. let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally,

i'm going to i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk. one of the worst ever mess. shootings in america was in las vegas in 2017. the tragedy a close a little of the real last vegas. where many say elected officials are controlled by casino learners. the vegas shooting revealed what the l v m p d really is. and now it's part of the machine to the american public barely remembers that it happens. that just shows you the power of money in las vegas. the powerful showed that true colors, when the pandemic had the most contagious contagion that we've seen in decades. and then you have a mayor who doesn't care. so here's caroline goodman, offering the lives of the vegas residence, to be the control group,

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troops retreats from the hindu kush. this is of kent. it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan now on pakistan independence day. joining me from crunchy is parliamentary leader of the party, some people's party sheriff mind. thank you so much, senator. for coming on the show, i mean, you've just come out with a book, women explaining activism, politics, modality and bogus on how ease with itself is pockets thought of the $21.00 gun, $31.00 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day to day, well, there's scream out into the day actually, and focus on is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak. but dick unity, because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headline, we look toward structural problems. we looked at was the need for further

resilience, but what we're seeing today is an impending theories of challenges. practice on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you go more to 65 percent of the population. so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity, these are the problems, especially as the st right now of the onslaught of yes and out of the book, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again,

i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world to repair began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023, that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way. if you are me and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region and was wanting to break now,

which really from the advantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping taliban, your neighbor in africa, in afghan, it's done. we just heard from the special envoy, we were talking about reports that us serial bombardment of afghan it's done, has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the us and u. k. troops leave one look at what's happening and one sound right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure off, the real american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation has failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the bond that they have thought to legitimize and give room to the 5000

prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have reviews and given power to. so to say, now that baka son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that, that man don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever rules and apartment the door and they also have access to it. i know, you know, has a state now there are many, many actors and players interested in debility, but i've been focused on isn't the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes. iran and the taliban are given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911 sure. they've invaded pakistan because it was package somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons,

it would have made it hard if a native i think that it's not even a question i could be excused lee. it's but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that involve open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was again cited, esteemed them at that time. it was a war against data, but you know how these curated narrative go. and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guy out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to

be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of bleed. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. the they invested in fostering in the bag in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon when there was a balance of power in the field, then perhaps they would not be seen. the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is a $65000000000.00? a one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker. the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan, should it be may,

june. now the take the lead, i think the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the ability to the asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i've ever had an appetite for any combat rule in the sun. and the wind just been over the buckets on easy because it catches a call that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this a when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment . it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those china consumers. terrorists are d, stabilizing. jang. this is all good for some policymakers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but i why would china want to take on

the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean, this is like eating. so with the pork, their foreign policy follows a different strategic like to grow their way to countries and they like to use economy. and for that surely of understand needs to be stable. surely this innovation states and son needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and they should have been a regional conference long before this. that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken, e lead. so russia, despite proscribing with all of us, they've been privately talking since 2018. and, and even hosting conferences,

there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have a stable for, for, for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now the started back up costing a military solution all in the bad be that is a human tragedy on boarding and on. and it's not boxed on or on or just the, just the neighbors are responsibility the entire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries. i've been sitting in atlanta for 20 years. it's time that the rules based international order under its own don't you think so this is sherry red ones having national dan, thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez wiki leeks . organization published the afghan war logs,

which pull the rug on the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan, his reward has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media producer for her mom. it went down to the protest. i caught and caught up with the former u. k. opposition leader jeremy corbin, one of the many voices calling for sandra is free to audio. be your message to for a song. and of course it's up to him whether julian, a sorry job, actually for 175 years. i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before he became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist, getting a song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that . and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has steamrolled. i had its plan, do you think it will do the same? but during the song she was going to get past the court. and it's got to recognize

that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered. some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of govern, of course, pass laws against whistleblowers against john with leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider wall on press? freedom press. freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world, the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangers to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated. real frustrated was also seeing daniel hale, the us whistle blow revealing the cause of us john strike. he's been

up to 45 months. so do you see like the wider warning? listen, julianna's sandra casualty almost make sure that others don't follow in his lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up, as i said in my short page, is actually about signing up press freedom every 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're nathan's might commit suicide if you well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health. in this situation, the judge recognize that a superman was a mental health and he would be at a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was there,

there is an out of the abroad, a movement among european political parties involved to hold an auction in helping to yes, there is a wider movement on this. i raised the matter, for example, the last 4 sessions accounts to the euro. with kevin tv, who's a member of the irish, we're going to do this on the ration and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament run. of course, as in the british parliament, by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today, that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian, the songs that actually be free, what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is

a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of his administration, well, did many things of the top his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect president by to do better than formerly believe jeremy call been speaking to going, undergoing social media producer fraud out there. and you can catch up with all orthodontics coverage on a huge channel, including exclusive interviews with julian sans himself that's up in the show will be back on monday with an exploration of reality is present and it's uncertain future when we speak to philosophy, an author of the frontier of knowledge and c grayling until then. keep in touch my social media and let us know if you think the 20 year war on terror as being future . the i think is part of mental health revolution. we increasingly freeze

political claims inside the law. firms, the language of mental health became more common. so if you disagree with something i said on this program, you know, just say i just agree with you. i think you're wrong because of the following problems in your evidence or logic. you say your micro grass, you say you triggered me. you said you hard me again some psychological way because those are psychological terms. and i guess an enormous problem for politics because it's almost impossible to have a discourse on that terrain. the british and american governments have often been accused of destroying lives in their own interests. what you see in this, these techniques is the state devising message to end to essentially destroy

personality of an individual lifetime. means this is how one doctors, theories were allegedly used in psychological warfare against the prisoners deemed a danger to the state. that was the foundation for the method of psychological interrogation, psychological torture, disseminated within the us intelligence community and worldwide among allies for the next 30 years. been to the victim say they still with the consequences today the

the the, the, the, the, the taliban is out the doorstep of cobble with reports claiming the militants adjusted 11 kilometers from us. china sounds capital. the numerous group has also taken over the country. the 4th largest city, it's later conquest and a major offensive following the us pull out more demonstrations against cobit or sections in france today with thousands cutting out again in paris up to the 5th consecutive weeks on the state of emergency run precedents. wildfires has been expanded to cover 2 fast regions in eastern russia now more than 7000000 hackers of 50 in forest are affected by naughty news crew reports from the

frontline, the small fire, the guys are trying to put up with their own hands.