we speak before you think opposition either. jeremy coban outside london. hi court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against the judgment that extradition to the usa might kill him. but for us as expected by many, the former ca back taliban is sweeping across af can. it's done. after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. join me now from the war 2 nations capital cobble is president. sheriff county special envoy, packers. funny affairs moment. well, my dad's i thank you so much so much for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared for the majority in in the, in the taliban. we got the talks at the talks in coffee or would you understand is going on, i suppose, especially under your remit as regards the package on afghan border when it comes to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate since may do, sir, when the us formally declared that they were parked

by september was exacerbated. and because the us support to suddenly see, i mean yes up or suddenly see have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take cities. and actually the alluded to that when they want to moscow that they may not embark on taking cities, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically it's fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks are there. they're going gone. but little hope is now what i should use, hoping now attached to the piece dogs and do all this. so one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off carbons,

it cannot be lifeline. so like islam color, we did almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened back on which is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose debt, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back that, i mean i should say the support according to the, by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 con ships and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials of both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't be

a lie. i would say to the conditions their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who are not to release the de listing, didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand because they're being in this kind of situation for the 42 years and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that, i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts that they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that for lack of that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops,

the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and africa border. i'm not in the picture when i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the war. that's what, that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have

a ground present. have any schools been bombed by the us warplanes? there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to, to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of hospital and business center, and perhaps the school took place in less kinda and they all, they're all, he knew there was no news of some kind of an intervention us in the job which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention. our were the african forces support one way or the other? you don't. some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the,

the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east pakistan terrorists, as the chinese call them. who am an age of cultures in jang, and the stabilize russia with the check menace done is becca stone borders. and at the same time, they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh, when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us that sponsor really and i hear the same database going on in washington also. particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, presidents, enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear

in respect to win win against, let's say china or against russia. i mean, that's the d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see personally. so far, i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next, the trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get it done what evidence to the acting interior minister or ms. wells,

what evidence does he have seeing the taliban are moving tanks to pakistan or that i don't know. i don't know. some american acids had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or what the stall and when the us supplies were coming through. that's very difficult. verified for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. i'm a do believe that pakistan the government of im, run con, is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions where that's all he d, b in the past 42 years has been involved in and since

the taliban emerged in 1994. there was very special needs. are you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically they are in. was that up? i can stand the national see fighting along st. site tyler have the been sent by bikes, traditions, or how they crossed by themselves. or because started when i did a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well, they of course deny that. obviously we saw pictures of us or have gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban, or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on?

the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead alike in africa, there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended was one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that, but i think the message that i need or his intentions are misunderstood. he wants dozer warlords or political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him, to help mobilizing. huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe

a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in afghanistan? sanctions are very different in issue, it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's not that when the problem in one neighboring country, people cross to the other one where they made him feel safe and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees right, they are trying, it's not new ill by the bus many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money

to cross over to europe, especially why thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry rock mont, about pentagon allegations. that is, i'm about is aiding the taliban. all this coming up in part to of going on the ground. ah me, ah welcome

back and thought when we spoke to the afghan president special, i was like a sunny affairs. as cobble in his lum about secret cooperate after defeated nato troops retreats from the hindu kush. smith is of kent. it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan, now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from crunchy is parliamentary leader of the party, some people's body sherry for the mind. thank you so much and senator, for coming on the show. i mean, you've just come out with a book, women's explaining activism, politics, modality and bogus, and how ease with itself is pockets thought of the $21.00 gun, $31.00 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day to day. well, there's scream out into the day actually, and focus on is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak,

but dictionary because normally on the, on the day we look behind the head and we looked toward structure problems. we looked to was the need for, for the resilience, but what we're seeing today is an impending theories of challenges. practice on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you go more to 65 percent of the population. so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity, these are the problems, especially as the st right now of the onslaught of yes and out of the book

called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world did to the panoramic began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p. p. p ticket for 2023. that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such goal post on the way if you are me. and the situation really right now is quite,

it's divided and the country really needs a little boss. the construct did narratives, this being of a divided region, and we're falling apart right now, which really from this vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping taliban, your neighbor in africa, in afghan, it's done. we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us serial bombardment of afghanistan has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the, a forces remaining in afghanistan after the us and u. k. troops leave, well look at what's happening in one sun right now is a ground 0 of american ambition. the failure, all the real savior, american policy, they pre formation and democracy creation has failed. but so had the

big push in reconciliation with bond that they have sought to legitimize the giving wrong to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have been given power to. so to say now that back a son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that, that man, don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever rules and apartment the door. and they also have access to it. know, you know, has a state now there are many, many actors and players interested in responsibility, but i think the sun is in the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes. iran and the taliban are given that iran is taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country?

i mean, after 911 sure. they've invaded pakistan because it was package somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons and we made it out for native i think that it's not even a question i could stick seriously. but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that pakistan is not open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was against sliding extenders, and at that time, it was a war against. but you know how these curated narrative go? and we have actually lost more blood in treasure,

70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guys out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2012 now, cause all the regrouping you see directed to focus on it. there's also, i think they're all white. good, bad for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that because they've been very invested in fostering in the bad land in the bad old days. and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon when there was a balance of power in the field. then perhaps he would not be seeing the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 it is $65000000000.00. one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker,

the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan. should it be may, june? now that takes the lead. i think the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the stability at the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i ever have an appetite for any combat rule in the sun. and the point just been, i was the buckets on the because it catches a call back that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment . it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those china consumers. terrorists are destabilization. jang,

this is all good for some policymakers in washington. yes. well, i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but i why would china wanted take on the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean this is like eating. so with the pork their foreign policy follows a different strategic temp. they like to grow their way to countries and they like to you ex nomic power. and for that surely some needs to be stable. surely this innovation states and son needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and they should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now where, you know, china should take this on when china has 30 lead taken, e lead. so russia,

despite proscribing with all of us, they've been privately talking since 2018. and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have a stable or for, for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, the thing a military solution are all in the bad be there is a human tragedy on boarding and it's done and it's not focused on or on or just still just the neighbors are responsibility. be in dire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a long time for 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper under some office owns. don't you think? so this is sherry rec month having natural dan, thank you wealth. if one man was responsible for revealing to the world,

the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez, where he leeks organization publish the afghan war logs which pulled the rug on the circle mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan, his reward has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media. producer phenomena went down to the protests of the high court and caught up with the former u. k. opposition lead a jeremy colbin, one of the many voices calling for his son, his freedom already be your message to forest johnson. of course, it's up to him whether julian thought, actually for 175 years. i would say devoris johnson. you've made your life before he became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as

a campaign across the tourists thought the united states, despite many processor around the world, has road ahead with its ponds. do you think it will do the same for doing this on one? it's gotta get past the courts here. and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian assault, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of governor, of course, pass laws against whistleblowers against john with leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider wall on press? freedom press. freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world, the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth is covered up, uncovered by real german to make brave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangerous to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated real,

frustrated with also seeing daniel hale, the us whistle blow, revealing none of us john strike. he's been up to 5 months. so do you see like, the wider warning? listen, julianna's contract casualty. it's almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up on my short page is actually about signing up press freedom every 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in this on might commit suicide? well, i have to be told you about somebody's private situation, mental health in this situation. the judge recognize that it was

a threat to his mental health and he would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was moved, there is an out of the a broader movement among european political parties and policies ordinate auction in helping general. yes, there is a wider movement to coordinate action on this. i raised the matter, for example, the last session in the county, the euro. with kevin td, who's a member of the irish. we'd go through this on his iteration and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament run across as in the british parliament, by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today, that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian, the songs that actually be afraid what kind of more pressure is to be applied?

it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald trump rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days of his administration, well, did many things of this up his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect president by to do it better than the former labor leader, jeremy colby and speaking to going to going social media producer for her out there . and you can catch up with all orthodontic coverage and youtube channel, including exclusive interviews with julian assange himself. that's it for the share will be back on monday with an exploration of the reality is present. and it's on certain future when we speak to philosophy in author of the frontier of knowledge and c grayling until then. keep in touch with social media and let us know if you think the 20 year warren terror as future the

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