a king, the dawning moment was many, many years ago. it was quite clear. not much money's been, but how many lives have been lost since then? do to tell than to 2010. we knew it wasn't it. we knew very well it was working because in demik corruption, when john 2 trillion dollars has been put into it, who knows how many lives have been lost in regard to the gods. but the night forces amongst themselves with a loss of the odor of 300-2000 killed. i can't remember the exact mare american figures, of course quadrille will that the people who have been seriously injured. it comes down to the fact that they were not when i show you, i mean we, the west, the rest of the world were not prepared to deal with the issues of trying to impose a corrupt government on a country where many of the people did not support the government,

and then maureen, cultured not understanding the sucking trees of the tribes that got install specs to kicks newer, astonished as honors and of course you break down into multiple sub tribes and kind of thing that way, john, is they tried to impose spect noticed on a turkey police and all me on to fashion ask questions, areas. well, that's not going to work on the west. so america came and then really no understanding of having a handle of what they were dealing with. well, there were thousands of people who knew exactly what they were dealing with, the police police advisors, specialist military officers. but of course, when you tell the truth to power to politicians who got no real plan or don't want to listen, it doesn't go very far. when i was there in 2018, i was continually saying at the highest level, so i might add tonight,

joe general's, if we don't deal with the corruption, there is absolutely no way the public will support his government. and therefore, the government will eventually form. it's a classic role of if you like counterinsurgency or any country. but 1st of all, the human terrain, the people all the vital ground. if you call when they're known as if you like winning hearts and minds. but use a minute when they're to, when, when the human try, when they're simple, you will not, not succeed. and the other thing is the encounter and see military methods are rarely decisive. yes, you can bomb and you can fix taliban leadership or the insurgency or i as kite, but you will not stop them, not so i'm coming back into the villages into either a lot of highway right there. a lot of highly paid, highly intelligent military plan is reconnaissance people and the history rate is

it doesn't take much to read back on this. does it say how difficult this country is? surely this could have been for seen years ago, and then you've got joe biden say in july that all of the tell about i'm going to say no, not going to happen. yeah. so i was going to say there's a lot of it, let's bring it up to speed. there's a lot of intelligent intelligence people out there. there are a lot of people that have read the history books. his history has a habit of repeating itself. surely this was blandly, obviously way was going to go years ago and even then in june, july, we had joe biden saying that we're pulling up. but the where the taliban was overrun the country. it was empty words. he surely must have known what was going to happen. well, look, of course, we knew what was going on amongst the military. the police advisors experience civilian development operators, whether they were american, aspired, new zealand, dots, canadian, wherever they came from, people knew. but there is 11 problem with the government employees that they are,

that will not all wary, all telling truth to power. and of course, because the politicians had no real plan and it's a good blunt, a number of generals maintain, the mentor of we are doing. they wouldn't listen to the majors left tenant colonels, the company commanders on the ground, all blue collar worker. places by slightly higher. what do i know? i may have been in charge of thousands of police, but i know nothing about subsequent the things, but the bottom line is if you don't listen to the practitioners on the ground, then you're going to kevin you. we could talk for ages about what's gone. i suppose we need to look about where we are now. we're doing some sort of transitional administrative by the way. pope francis is a common said nose called for dialogue and i've got the countries martin population can live in peace and security as he put it. we're also hearing that ali commit july earlier us based academic ok and former african interior minister as being

tough. maybe they had an interim administration. reuters saying that and also the news that by gram airbase, that was so often madeline's wasn't it as being surrendered to the taliban prison. no housing, 5000 inmates. both taliban and islamic state insurgence has brought up to speed. and what does all this mean? first of all, by gra, 5000 inmates where they can go, we will give a comment. hold those lovely words from the we are dealing with dedicated islamist spots. as you follow the principles of be upon this if you like the stream islam in the stripes, the and in the shape via sky. well we are at the far end a boiler salad prism. they could not give a monkeys what has got to say. so that's for this, but back to back room that you're just part of it. cobo has been steadily

strangled and surrounded over recent months. when i was even when i was before i got out and we talked about backing my, they were already continually blowing down the electrical power lines coming from. who's beckett's dawn and attacking electricity workers. so when you've got a city of 7000000 people with no electrical powerful wakes any d months on end company. so it's going to a classic stage technique. what about this transitional government organization? whatever it is going to be an end of the day, the taliban doesn't want to share power with anyone. does it? well, let's see. i mean i'm, i don't know, it's moving so fast. has gone the test, the crap test thrown the telling yet. are you still there? but he's still appears to be there as far as i can tell. that's your view on the, on what he's done, a course not our official view in it. but if you like, i base my view on canfield serving. there. the churning,

politicians in administrative defend himself of the thing. you've got your view, but i'm going to give you, let me get mcknight, if you need it, is these the ones who reside in ms rivers, people that still the faxes they all have. politicians have been stating hundreds and hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars they should have gotten or not only development, but security in that country. laundering it through doing by even the british china lyles and buying the big house using southern california, virginia and kara, and do by carefully. no, that's a whole lot like program all nother story and i am taking what you're saying because then all these guys on it to defend themselves, they're going to say no, that's not the case. obviously kevin, we can show you the real heights. it's all in the program. kevin, thank you for coming. all know kevin hurley, a former senior police officer reservists, army officer, but all that aside, you've done to toes of again, it's been

a security adviser to the you and you know you're talking about, you know, your onions without play. some thank you very much for coming on short notice and talking to us hope to come back as soon as we get some more. yeah, of a good day. flora young people is all i sight deserted by the corrupt politicians. well, with the coming hours and days will fail, it goes. thank you for kevin, or let's get some more thought. now we're getting guessing, as you can see yourself, and thanks for choosing and using us as your new source art international law. for moscow, we've been running with this big breaking stories a lot around today. by the way, if you're just joining us, there's an earthquake earlier on in haiti, 300 dead. the lab on the big fuel tanker explosion, 20 dead the in pakistan and explosion as well. in karachi, 13 dead. we're going to be getting onto those stories and recovering some big news of the week later. but right now it's gone. this time we're talking about we're going to go to cobble journalist bill l. c. was there. hello sir. we haven't spoken

before you can hear me. i haven't a chance to san check a live on air. where you are at the moment, a gathering cobble, or you, can you hear me? yes. you can. and what is the situation looking outside your front window then? well, there was a lot of fear and uncertainty over the last 24 hours about what exactly was going to happen to see city of 6000000 population. when does how of, on managed to take over a provincial capital after provincial capital managing to secure the surrenders? but now we've heard from, of understanding tier minister of those that are made up was confirming that there will be a transitional administration. that under the d and cover was going to be attacked and that he instructed the forces africa a national security forces meant in law and order on the streets of cobble the fall of animal into the statement saying they are fighters must give up, probably not enter the city, well that's all about have done that in some parts of the city. perhaps the

outskirts has a big thing. we had some rumors only on the reports may be fighting in the north of the city. come up. can you check the lights on? i don't know from what i can confirm from what i have been able to speak to people . there was a county exchange when people were rushing towards a t. m. machines, traffic job. members of the police have opened fire into the air. the traffic costs are trying to basically keep, you know, traffic in motion. cobble is a city. now in panic, everyone is leaving people who are leaving. i was going to say, where are they going to? because the only way i gather correct me if i'm wrong as the airport i was just looking at the airport village. just know i was tracking what plains veranda. this seems to be a couple of marks american plays because because american said, we want us people to get out of it will give you loans if you can afford it, but specifically use commercial transport. i was looking just not for

a flight rate of 20 for the, for a little going into an air india playing gold in a dubai emirates, play from dubai. tried circling, big 777 for about an hour. seems to go back again. so there's not much way of getting out of the capital at the moment. is that i was just going to finish on that thought. these are ordinary funds for leaving cobble. returning back to the villages in district, this is the rural population that was forced to leave and abandoned their lives and the countryside and come to cobble those who are coming to cobble from the provinces of people who were serving in the government on the national security forces they have come with their families to cobble fitting retribution of india types and it's just a village never. what you are referring to at the airport. that is for a small portion of the relation, in fact, a very small portion talking about what's the site for them that came to cover for

some safety from other parts of, of afghan is done another surrounded by the very people that are running from them . there's some sort of transitional government the organization is going to call the moment of the government yet to help the taliban and get it. and what are the, what are these people going to do? where are they going to go? the no tell about i'm going to let them go back home again available. just to clarify what we know so far, the total amount of said that they will not attack the city to police. did islands? well, you know what the taliban position is, is what the government said. i will refrain from speculating here on idea. any other platform believe that they know that they've also said they'll be no retribution about people that have crossed them, say government army or people, maybe the are doing things they don't like or have said things about the taliban officially has said they will be no retribution do you believe that? well, if you watch my reporting on russia today, we have, you know,

highlighted such events and incident, which is why i think, to answer your question specifically. that all of our leaders are worried about the fighters and commanders on the ground, which is why they continue to issue instructions that they should not do such things. but we will have to see how the transition for problem city takes place now that this clarity from both sides, that is serving as an as pied in terms of, you know, putting into some fearful scenarios and events and uncertainty. but it's easier said than done low. so let's see how do you do that and see what you got your rate of the ground, which is i'm so pleased that we've got you on you know, other tell about being welcome to generally by people in cobble. we're the tell about the press office yesterday talking to assist the channel out, the arabic saying, the reason this has been so easy for us after 20 years and having felt something imposed on us that we don't really want the last 20 is the outcome. people wanted

to pack in power, that's why there's no resistance. and that's why there's been no resistance getting through all these other big cities. and now we think not much resistance. so certainly getting to the outskirts of cobble is there. are they going to meet resistance in cobble other a dedicated few that are going to make life tricky for them and government forces? well, the taliban have managed a secure set and they've been able to work this as part of this strategy to reach out to various layers of people within the, you know, political, military and other sections of they have on society. we will have to see how taliban now govern. this is a big moment for the group from fighting into governance. so we will have to see that we don't know who's going to be leading that new administration. yes, i've also heard the name of aaliyah. i'm a jelly, that is the rumor we had eating,

but nothing is confirmed. and if he had done farmed, he is the former formidable minister, who basically was credited with building up the new police force and security forces. and the early years of 2001 in 2 and 3, when the taliban war toppled, he's very close to the americans. he has been a professor at the national defense university, and he has been a former reporter himself as well as a member of the majority in getting the 1980s against the fight against the russians of the time. yeah. what's your feeling final for what she's feeling on as a current resident itself, your friends, your family, living right and your family feeling that it's going to go ok or there is going to be trouble is going to be okay for i've got to start on all this move today. well if you are not one like me or like anyone else's families here, you would hope that everything should go gay. the taliban and the african

government and the american. then everyone knows that. because if it does not go key, we're back to square one. and it does look also very chaotic that at the end of 20 years of massive international investments or billions of dollars, you know, perhaps even trillions lives laws. this is the end result. so we will have to see how it moves from here. but as i said, again, the clarity from all sides will help restore some sort of confidence in the outline people, especially 6000000 people living in this city. we have to really remember that the afghan private sector sport, 100 millions of years, dollars into the city in the construction of buildings, shopping malls, at individual apartments and other businesses. so this is also why the $1.01 of issue the statement, reassuring businesses, both one informed that the investment would be protected. so let's see how that goes. but obviously, if you are looting in violence or in the minds of people,

well let's say that it doesn't come back to this transition of power is it looks likely to happen is the process happening is peaceful and you'll say for the family, etc. thank you very much for coming on and giving us your view on a live there from carbo couple journalists below sea way of a good day. so rescue operations on the way to get the u. k. ambassador and start to cobble at the moment as taliban fighters close in britain's defense secretary, early warning that i've got to stand was on the brink of collapse, calling the u. s. decision to leave a mistake. that's going to be awkward. the predict thing that the battle scarred nation will, once again become a breeding ground for al qaeda, shuddered was dashed, he's got the latest on that side of it. oh, options on the table that is the latest from the u. k. is defense secretary friend wallace, is he twice to prevent an all out civil war? enough on the stone is the u. k. begins to retreat troops out of the country. now.

ever since us taliban peace still. what we've seen is nature. have all begun to retrieve what flashes this power political vacuum in the region, seeing the tale around totally taking control and tipping that balance of power. now not only will a poverty of course increase on political de stabilisation, but what's a key worry is terrorism could also still be on the rise. and that's why you case, defendant secretary is now saying that pulling out of the region is a huge mistake. now we're in this position where we tell us how to manage across the country. the united states are leaving that with an honest yesterday we are leaving alongside them. and that leaves a, as you say, a very, very big problem on the ground developing with the taliban. failed states around the world lead to instability, lead to security, a threat to off on our interest. we were very clear about that, that fly that the west has to learn that you don't fix problems,

you manage problems. pro button wallace has also said that the united kingdom may act if ask on a stone again began to hob, a terrorism, particularly if it pose an international threat like it did arguably some 18 years ago. but many on to activists argue that the foreign policy has never been found to humanitarian mission, nor was it about democracy and only ever saw the land become the place of conflicts in battle, ground giving rise to the taliban. and what we see now is this tale about all accelerating the dominant, according to the united nations, the african war has now entered his more destructive phase with casualties climbing over one and a half a 1000 in the past 4 weeks alone. and all of really has cause a lot of anger here in britain, even with many m. p. 's, some of which have even served in the connie occupation over the last 20 is them incredibly angry. and all that pulling out is a complete mistake. and

a huge failure. the peroration broke was worse. it took families apart, left children orphans and parents to cry alone. the decision to withdraw is like a rug pulled from under the seat of our partners. that's why i'm angry. it's wasteful and unnecessary. and why is it personal? because i've seen what it costs and what sacrifices are being thrown away. and i know who's going to pay for it. we will, well, it's actually a pretty desperate time for the united kingdom is actually sending in around $600.00 troops to try and get british nationals out. c, l, a short term basis rescue mission if you like. but for those in afghanistan, both citizens simply call and guess how this is incredibly, a tragic and scary time for all of them as a taliban relentlessly takes over. but ultimately, for nato allies, britain and america, the last 20 years ending up like this is incredibly humiliating. because they tried

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very critical of time. time to sit down and talk with the ah, breaking news this sunday i've got to stand. interior minister pledges a peaceful transfer of power to a transitional government with the authorities reportedly entering into talks with the taliban leadership. the militant group has surrounded cobble ordering its fights as not to enter the capital yet, following an intense week of rapid advances, sweeping the country and taking every major city in just a few days. the islamist resurgence began immediately after us. president joe biden announced that american troops would withdraw back in april and off the 2 decades since washington dragged cobble into war. the u. s. is out of afghanistan leaving