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all was going toward 0, they never goes anywhere tested on the wall street balance sheet and they use it to buy expensive property. and that's been the story now for more than 20 years. ah, the thanks for staying with us. i'll tell you as we tell you about the rapidly changing development stuff, and that's gonna stand this sunday fears and go for capital there. as the tele, brian now surrounds carbon following rapid national games throughout the week. there are on confirm reports coming in to the group has ordered its forces to enter the capital spokes person from the taliban said it was for a law and order issue to stop looting. the islamists claim that the currently in talks with the government about a peaceful surrender of the city, which mercifully has so far, remained largely bloodless. there are also reports that president ash rough ghani, has fled to the country. a post on facebook from the head of the high council for
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national reconciliation said the president gone, he left the country and call for security forces to cooperate and ensuring security . that's yet to be verified. now this unverified video to circulating online right now purportedly shows inmates released by the taliban a few hours ago from the country's largest jail. also earlier, they seized the bag from military prison that's located just 25 kilometers north of the capitol. reports claim that around $5000.00 conflicts, the convicts were set free, some of them isis fighters, but they were mostly taliban fighters, ready to join the assault. ah, but this is the st cobble over the course of this sunday resident fleeing the city in huge numbers or at least attempting to hundreds of cars, have been stuck in gridlock, causing massive traffic jams. some locals abandoning that calls and trying to get
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away on foot. also, as we heard from our correspondence inside the city, several hours ago, there of a massive cues, a bank machines as well as people try and take out what money they can before they attempt to leave the former deputy minister of borders and tribal affairs. i talked to him a couple of hours ago. he says the authorities of the people must now unite for peace, helped by the international community. situation is changing our by our, in the start when the, they want to talk that this takes off. i've done this on the or was some sort of what is this sort of national resistance against them. but when they took here are kind of hard big cities. and also right now they strong. paul does the north of guns done. now it seems that there is some sort of peaceful transition and i've done this on what the people are going to sun once it's clear because the republic hoping enough people i've done it's done, it's clear for everybody and the,
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the legitimate to me, to the amount of power in the inferior china, i'm going to done about what happened now is the tradition that is not in control of actually the war was not going to war. it was approx you are in the gun is done in a gun to come together in the 1st time in 40 years that have been said together in high enough of the way the efforts of rush united states and other countries. and also the region must come to a consensus to establish told in neutral, inclusive government enough to understand because they fit in a gun is done as a hot official will be made for the region in the international community as well. right now, what's important that the blood of the young blood of guns must be stopped in the transition must go smoothly. and i think the responsibility of what sites in the
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people have gotten themselves to stay home. so also to prevent looting, gravity and destruction of infra fractured, i've done is done, which will conduct the sun to another disaster. and i hope that the leaders have started one in the leaders of the government will understand the situation and will think about the people off of guns done, especially the displaced people of a gun. and son in enough is enough in to stop the bloodshed gun on people which are waiting for 40 years while live reaction. next center tourney and middle east specialist cru, shambler join us. now, welcome to the program. what don't ask you 1st about what may or may not be happening with regards to president gone a ton about wanted him gone anyway in terms of power. it's not right now even compared to what it was 24 hours ago. now a senior official says that he's left the country. is that a symbolic thing? was that necessary? what does that mean in reality for the next few hours for afghanistan?
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thanks for having me on the what. what does it mean? it's that the african government, i think they understood that the taliban doorstep soft kept the decision, kept like the old wars. and they know they cannot do much to hold to power. and if prison gandy doesn't leave the country, he will be arrested by by the taliban. because they will, one day in the few weeks coming on may be in the few days, take control of capital and take power in capital. and they will take him as a, as a prisoner. so he left the country because i think he understood that he has no chance of staying in power and the where the african government will soon surrender power to to the taliban. and what is his own personal future and safety? what does it mean in order to be able to ensure there is a peaceful transfer of power back to the taliban, which everybody wants to be minimal violence as possible?
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that does seem to be the case. was it vital that connie to go like that? if indeed he has for that peaceful transition to occur, it would be a peaceful transition because if, if he doesn't that the government doesn't accept to surrender. the taliban will attack the contemptible. and as we know and everybody knows the, the taliban are not the, the best place on the best people. so they like murders there. they can, they can kill any what, any one they want. and especially woman woman will lose the powers who lose their rights. the they have so what will happen if, if he doesn't surrender of if he doesn't leave the country, or if he doesn't give the, the power to the, to the taliban, it will be a massacre. and i hope this is not going to happen. and what the problem is, what's going to happen next? if the taliban picks control of afghanistan, the already culture,
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all the borders of afghan is done. so that means that the people of afghanistan doesn't want other countries to intervene in their country. they want to rule the country by their own. if it's, it's a slimy power it maybe it's not good. maybe it's good, but it's their choice. what i'd picked up on in the past few hours when we've been speaking to people in afghanistan, bearing in mind how we've been speaking to them for the past few days. they've been mentioning that the taliban is not the same now as it was 20 years ago. now although we like to think that they would speak and candidly to us, i also imagine it's with some reticence given the situation. and cobble right now, is the taliban different? and if it is, let's face it. it's now going back into power. far more emboldened than when it left in 2001 overthrow. it kicked out in 2001 exactly that they have more power but. a a personally, i don't think they have changed a lot the, the, the, the issue from changes because they want the europeans,
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the americans are the war to think they have change and they are more open to human rights. they're more open to women's, right. but at the end, they are a radical islamists, they are radical, so it won't change. they want this, they want the law of sharia to be applied in afghanistan. so at the end, within the next one or 2 years, they're going to be back at the same place they were 20 years ago. they will rule the country as they did before. i think they will not change much. and for the afghan people left behind, some of managed to get out. but as we said before, if the airport is the only route out, it's any really going to be the the money classes in cobble who are going to be able to make good. that ends where it is going to be almost half a 1000000 people displaced very, very soon indeed. what's the future for them? they're not just having their rights rolled back that they've and over the past 20 years, also they face rule by a government. they didn't choose exactly answered the,
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so they are in the very bad position. and they are asking for visa to the american specially those who have collaborated with the african government with the americans and the european. they are asking for visa and they can not have visa, the american government, few asian central asian country to, to greet these refugees in order for them to, to be sent to the united states after they refute not they are asking the government of kosovo and albany to do the same, we're not sure if they're going to accept or not. and people are wondering, especially at the f ken people, they won the why they don't send these refugees to the quam territory, which is the u. s. territory. and from there they can be sent to get new stuff, because if this doesn't happen, the all those who collaborated or even help the americans or the african government will be killed for sure. what
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a mess people think that united states has made of afghanistan over the past 2 decades, is the replacement role for it in terms of helping to assure the welfare of africa citizens going forward. i think the americans, the, i mean they spent 20 years there, they spend billions and bills and they had a lot of people died. a lot of people injured americans should understand that they have a general rule, but they can not go to any country as the wishes they wish. and they can not impose their values, their way of thinking their way of living to the, to the whole hoard the can people want to live by the, by, by their own. i feel like the other people in the region they want to, we arrived, they were obliged to live, not they went to afghanistan, they are obliged to leave. i think the america should understand. it's a superpower, but they can not do every war just by war. they need to sit down and negotiate with, with people of this country. and what about the circling regional powers here?
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because even though there's been a collapse of the afghan government, it's not a power vacuum. is it? but presumably those regional powers, those neighboring countries, he's going to be able to, if not, explain that make use of this new chapter. this ra restart for afghanistan. exactly, the regional power are very happy, especially iran. iran is next. there the americans were surrounding the run in afghanistan and iraq. they left iraq, not the they living afghan son. so they lived in this country will fall within the, within the regional power, which is turkey. and that she run saw what happened after 20 years. is that the americans gave all this region. i can say almost say that they gave all this region to the union because they went, they took all the go government that were against the union government and that all these government are happy and will be very happy to collaborate with iran because
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they have no other choice, they have no other country to discuss with or to engage in business with. do they really need from know because we were mentioning earlier to a couple of other guests. this is not as low. it was last time. this is the taliban . they've been able to sweep into power really easily without much violence, almost an oregon swagger. if you like, are they not going to be so involved and that sort of thing. they can do this by themselves? do they need the regional powers? i think they're going to need the regional because they took, they took power because there was a vacuum there. when the americans and the europeans left, the afghani saw look, we drew all their troops. there was a vacuum. so they were the only one who were arm and they were the only one who were trained and you had 4. busy regional power, who had them, don't forget that pakistan is helping a lot of the taliban. most of the taliban people found refugees in the,
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in pakistan are in the car in though how would the would the carry money. so they will need these regional power in order to be able to stay in power because they can, they can control the country by themselves. but you always need some people, some country to help you are there was you cannot just by yourself, control the country without doing any business. and if you have enemies all around you and russia is, is not going, is not living is not living. yes. can you stand? i think they said that they will, they will keep their diplomatic re present is re presentation fill in capital. yes indeed i all, for the russian foreign ministry has said that the diplomatic mission that i will be staying certainly for now. good to get your expertise on this some difficult weeks ahead and i've got to stand really specialist co shambria. thanks very much. how the hostilities in afghanistan. i've taken a serious toll on the countries humanitarian situation already heavily burdened the course by the corona virus pandemic. we heard earlier from one charity worker about
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the pressure the local populations under right now. as the conflict has escalated over the past few weeks, we've seen a massive humanitarian disaster playing out. the escalating fighting has led to civilian casualties and large scale civilian displacement across the country. and particularly in the past few weeks, we've seen tens of thousands of people fleeing the fighting to safety. here in cobble, this was also on top of an existing humanitarian disaster in which there was conflict . the ongoing impacts of the 19 panoramic and a drought was announced earlier this year. so half the population, even before the latest escalation and fighting with a need monitoring assistance and those needs are even greater right now. here's how serious it is. the who ends warning with nearly 400000 civilians already fled the homes this year with a particular spike. since may most of the displaced reportedly women and children.
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now here are just some of the heart wrenching stories we've been hearing from the refugees during the week. have been displaced from telecom to taliban, killed my son just because of all the belongings from my house. i'm satisfied with them and the punch me in the mouth causing my teeth to fall out. they demanded my son and i told them that she's a school teacher. she recently became a teacher and had not even received her salary. had a class has broke out over, taken hostage of the fighting, went on for 7 days, but we couldn't go outside and we managed to escape. and now where did you get out? some of those asylum seekers might want to come to the a you, but they might get a warm welcome. the block now at loggerheads over what to do with migrants and those who are fleeing violence. next off, he's pulled. a slayer explores what happened to europe's open door policy. european union is less than what to do with african refugees speaking, assign them. in the letter to the european commission, civil countries insisted they have the right to force to be deport those whose
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cases have been rejected. they vote that not to deport them, would motivate more refugees, to flee to europe. we would like to highlight the edge of need to perform returns both voluntary and non voluntary to ghana. stan stopping return sends the wrong signal and it's likely to motivate even more afghan citizen to leave the home for the e u. the situation in afghanistan is deterioration, bobby, all, when it comes to the us and nato prepaid to what's called a troops at the end of the month. after decades long war, the situation is so bad that the netherlands, germany, and france have decided to port the deportation to be for now. the situation in afghanistan is likely to change and events for the coming period are so uncertain that i have decided to introduce a more atoria on deputation decisions and departures. agrees,
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or stress belgian and denmark standing firm. they want the rejected, assign them because the e u is not really and does not have the capacity to kind of another major migration crisis. why your guns are waiting, make up around 10 percent of asylum seekers. they're the 2nd largest group off the syrians. and for a continent still scarred by the migration crisis of 56 years ago, there was a feeling of a who, a feeling of having been they before, that has your opinions worried. they might be on the verge of a fish refugee crisis. those people who are here from a gun is done, they're not my they're in a few gees and asylum seeker. and that is why it is very important to remember at all best in countries have signed humour a convention refugee convention. and they are duty bound to has anyone,
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not only of guns, but syrians are anybody who come to the, to their country? and as far as them, because you are in the country, are any conflict personnel tech to, to their life. so i think then the western countries say, oh, we don't care if a wonder if you just go home or you do for them. i think this is a violation of humor, right. and we should do that kind of thing. i just a reminder of where we are so far this sunday of fear, trepidations and uncertainty, and golfing the afghan capital right now. as the taliban surrounds the capital, following rapids national games throughout the week, through our unconfirmed reports that its forces has entered the capital, they say as a lower order issue gives them it's also claim there in talks with the government right now about a peaceful surrender of the city there have also been reports from officials posted online, but president county has fled the country and may resign shortly. or we can check
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in again with journalists to fill out so all right, welcome back. are good to see you again. can i just ask you about that official who said the president got his quiz and left the country? if that is confirmed, what are your initial thoughts? what source is speaking to me has confirmed at present russia why me was supposed to stay for the official handing over sermon me. that was part of the deal. but instead the president left and rush abruptly. we don't know the exact circumstances of how the president may have left, but as a result of that, the trip by president carson, the former president and doctor de la de la, who the chairman of the national consolation commission to door was delayed and did not take place according to this was, was close to the negotiations and other adult now under international guarantees and interventions. certain taliban leaders from the law will slide to cobble,
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you know, to make sure that the transition takes place. we don't know what type of power sharing deal we're talking about. we don't know who might be leading it. but what we do know that the challenge for the taliban not will be and they know that hardy transition from fighting into governance. you know, where does this lead the road to political settlement? does this lead to a permanent and comprehensive c 5? how do they make sure that they have a running and effective government? not only in terms of the security forces, but in terms of providing services like water, electricity, power, making sure that the atm machine of money, remember this generation of taliban leaders and commanders come to a very different, i'm honest. not that honest. some of the $900.00 ninety's. today, you have a younger generation that's connected to the world through social media through internet one. it's time today's, what are the youngest countries in the world?
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a lot of the people who are born in the late ninety's early 2001 they don't remember what i've understand was under the taliban. so we'll have to see how the taliban conduct themselves. and urban centers, what the population you know, that they really were not in touch with in terms of what it's like in the city right now. then have taliban fighters actually entered central car bull as far as you're aware. we have heard reports that in certain outskirts, in areas the taliban may have entered all the instructions, like very clear a few hours ago. instead the gives us detail about the deadman said the responsibility for security of the city lied for the other side. this is how the government of understanding beings, effort, where it's all about. so we will have to see, you know, how that transition takes place. because cobble after all, is the city a hundreds of millions of years dollars have been invested. so you're talking about public property, private property businesses, bags and it'll have to be seen how that orderly transition picks up,
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put in just 24 hours. we've gone from saying that president county was not going to resign. that he was going to bolster the military forces and now reportedly out of the country, now it must fail deflating for the afghan citizens to fail, that their president is potentially just gone. but did he really realistically have any choice? well, these are, you know, the confusion about the fast pace of events, changing the complex dynamics. they behind the door, the closed door deal. i'm sure the records in international community sealed this deal. they had a role to play and that you know, was just sad them. but i was also surprised like the rest of the country when yesterday president. and he said his mand responsibility was that he would, you know, reorganized africa, national security forces. although within his own team, there were deliberations held. some said like the 1st slice president, i'm a salad and we should fight. as i said,
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that would lead to more bloodshed in the see the problem that is best to leave. so painful decisions, painful, painful departures for many, especially for present one of the people of cobbled trying to well for what they can go about daily lives. we've seen the cues of traffic in the grid lock. we've seen the keys outside the bank machines as well. no doubt, a large sense of trepidation. is it safe for local there? at the moment i had been reports of looting, which is why the taliban said they had gone beyond the city limits. we will have to see what happens tonight, especially in the dark. but it is there to say that at least people are happy that there will not be fighting between the government and amanda will be a transitional government. and the taliban spokesman of them out for there's a general i missed that this forgiveness. so, you know, let's see how it all works out in then. but again, really confusing set of circumstances taking place at a very,
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very base that makes it impossible company. and given that speed that it's all happening, what are your hopes that's from a fall from other countries that may be able to, if not, lend a hand, be able to help give assurance to the people as afghanistan that their welfare is being watched closely. well, i think every country in the world, specially in the region including russia, iran, china, india, is countries what have you know, stake in a stable up on not in and i want to see scale to violence because they will find such chaos on their doorsteps. there's the show minute and see the other problems. so let's hope of honest and gets a comprehensive piece process one which is backed by the region because it's in the region of interest and also international community. because me rushes, keeping its diplomatic mission that you can say that so many other nations are
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packing up. the u. s. is going canada's gone. germany's going sweden. well, everyone has just really, you know, the people deserve that commitment conference if peace process, we know there was no military solution. and if i understand slides back to the 900 ninety's type of scenario, people will have to come back to this country. so i hope that for i want to say we do see a commitment, we don't see an abandonment. ok, but it's good to see you again and i'll hopefully we'll be able to talk to you again in the coming hours, journalists, but also already thank you. how is it from us for now? we'll be back with the key developments from afghanistan this sunday, the 15th of august of rapidly changing situations where we'll go through the key points and also get more reaction here on our fi, international. oh,
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news. this is our breaking news this sunday. chaos and panic and the gun capital as the taliban procedures cobble with residents now fleeting. the city on mass kind of saw it is tried to secure a peace deal with the taliban leadership, the medicine group, or does it by does not through enter the capital just yet with the countries president reportedly resigning and fleeing the country. mister surgeon's escalated immediately off the april, set down some and by the us precedent that american troops would withdraw. meaning the 2 decades after washington pushed the country and toward the pentagon, quits leaving desperate citizens face to face with the militants. once again, the.

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