the moon ah, this revealed that a form of detail me the infamous guantanamo bay detention facility is among the taliban commanders gave victory species from the afghan capitalist presidential palace. one of the desperate afghans who cling onto a military flight and taking off from cobble booms the ordeal on his phone. this would later plans to the taliban policies controller cobble. we speak to the terrace group which is declared. the country is now firmly in its grip. the withdrawal of us troops had to be carried out in a strictly organized manner. the world can see that the territory of afghanistan is now under the control of the atlantic m, or in the us gun reality makes the lead is anxious over a potentially massive flow of refugees to europe. and along with everything that

has followed has not been as successful and has not been achieved in the way we had planned on. we must protect ourselves against major irregular my great 3 flows and ah, good afternoon. thanks for joining us. this is on the international one of the taliban commanders who's giving a victory speech from inside the presidential palace. soon after the militants took over the african capital is most a form, a detainee. america's infamous guantanamo bay prison camp glamour. harney was born in 1975 and recruited by the taliban in the 900 ninety's. eventually joining the move in so called ministry of intelligence in 2001. he was detained by us forces in cobble and subsequently sent to guantanamo bay,

where he was among the 1st detainees, that he was incarcerated until 2007 at the time. and he was deemed by us intelligence to be a medium level threat to america. and his allies was expected to join groups dedicated to attacking us forces in afghanistan if he was released. and yes, the americans did release him in the end. addressing the review panel, ronnie reported and claimed that he was an ordinary shopkeeper and wanted to return to understand to care for his sick father. i'm fresh videos and i said to be a women, protesting and cobble demanding the rights to be respected, including the rights to work, to education, and to political participation. the tell about me was urging women to join the governments. we asked local journalists should know jeff is all about the situation on the ground and whether the militants words reflect the reality. there we go, the room or the top one. i just sold it to the housing public safety also. they are locked in for the government. the follow your every day said that you're looking

for the journalist and, and call. it was a shocking for everyone, even for me in the shop. i left my office and i rent a place, but i immediately denied that my school to do belong to the fall found out. i'm the leader of all upon me. well, how much money you made? and you said that the cobbler people are safe to talk about the cobble the door of the cobbled people and down the route of the tunnel about natalie bon fight. that has permission to enter out of the people. and assisted on the lottie arabic spoke with mohammed name from the taliban political office, the group we spoke last by most countries in the world as a terrorist organization. i think the answer to this question is really obvious. the world can see that the

territory of afghan austin is now under the control of the islamic state, the islamic emerett waste war against the occupation in order to create an independent islamic state. it was claimed that there were 20 different terrorist groups, happy, more or less operating in afghanistan. but when he is land, mac amorous announced the sea far a few years ago, not a single shot was fired. and then the islamic emerald struck an agreement with the us that were rumors in the media and reports that different groups when conflicts over this agreement. but the truth is that no one broke this agreement, then the groups joined, the taliban and the invaders announced their departure. then more more groups began to join the motor. d. o know, joe biden appears confused in some of his statements. withdrawal of us troops had to be carried out in a strictly organized manner after signing the agreement. we told us that the withdrawal should take place in

a strict order to an agreed shad jewel. we told them that at every meeting, and then when they postpone the withdrawal for 4 months or longer, we tell them the same. i don't know why there is this chaos and confusion and tension why that dramatic events took place at global airport. the scenes course pains all afghans and also cause fear in those trying to leave the country. they are not exposed to any danger because they are in our homeland, among their people. we strive to make the future for the people and the country worthy. we have no desire to take revenge on these people. we strive to ensure that all people united despite all the challenges we want to build a new country and make our people have a decent future. we have issued a number of decrees including the decrease concerning those translators who collaborated with the occupying regime for one reason or another. the past is the past. they don't have any problems right now. and not everyone in afghanistan is buying the taliban words that there will be no revenge. a mass exodus has been

filmed in the capital, where a huge sum paid form to people trying to leave the city through the international airport. the only 7 people were reportedly killed, satellite imagery taken on sunday should the term all in and around the hub as thousands tried to flee due to the lack of gasoline. locals reportedly abandoned the caused by the roadside feels expensive in comp right now and difficult to find . some of those he did re sample went so far as to cling onto playing that was taking off. this video was filled by one of those who took the risk of some clue what the fate was. so it is known that some of those who held on fell to the gunshots also heard the cobbled international airport of hundreds of desperate african rushed towards the us. military jet, preparing to take off the same time, then soon came to the portland, a german plane only managed to get 7 people out on his 1st evacuation flight

triggering criticism. the munition was seen abundant in luggage racks in the car park of the airport and his locals were abandoning the weapons as they tried to flee gravity. just also most of those lucky enough to make it onto a plane on sunday, although they were met with another crush of people. this time on board 640 was sent to packed inside this particular u. s. jet. and as the pentagon says, it's preparing to accept 22000 solemn seekers. american embassy, campbells also been evacuated, stuff fleeing in a helicopter to the capitals port, led to comparisons being made on line to a similar evacuation almost 50 years ago during the war in vietnam. washington though it says that there an parallel to events inside gum. let's take a step back. this is manifestly not saigon. we're working to make sure that our personnel are safe and secure. we're relocating the minimum of our embassy to

a location at the airport. it's why the president sent in a number of forces to make sure that as we continue to draw down our diplomatic presence, we do it in a safe and orderly fashion. we discuss the ongoing situation in afghanistan. we form a u. s. navy intelligence officer, steven rogers, he says he can't help but parallels with what happened event. now, the goal was to ensure that the app in government was strong, that it was a nation where the people were free. it was a nation, ruled by a constitution and not ruled by any dictator or a terrorist organization. so the goal was never achieve. 20 years of work was put into that we have seen is a for caster feet. how do you leave all of these people behind the, the afghan assistance to, to be met with the baby, torture and murder. this reminds me of us. i got,

i was in the air force during the time saigon fell. and when i see helicopters in bul landing on rooftops in an airport and giant us air force planes, having him refugees, board, those planes reminds me of saigon. and when we see its history repeating itself. so there is no bright future, obviously for our dentist spam, but until we make a change in our nation with regard to our foreign policy, we don't have a much of a bright future either. the president biden broke his silence on the crisis. more than the day after the taliban took control of the country. the claim to the us mission in afghanistan was never about nation building our mission afghan. stan was never supposed to been nation building. it was never supposed to be created a unified,

centralized democracy or only why less interested in again, stan remains today. what has always been preventing a terrorist attack on american homeland? but the statements chemist aren't come to us to pass comments like in 2002 by and said that failing to establish a solid national government in account. my credit, lawless, safe haven for anti america terrorists. kelly moore takes a closer look at the president's conflicting history with the conflict. when you look at what's happening and afghan us, dan, you can hardly say that joe biden is blameless. he supported the war 1st in congress and then his vice president. and now he says that his decision for a sudden withdrawl is correct to many. it looks like he has absolutely no clue what he is doing. what in his mind, it all makes perfect sense. we want to have gan santa was 20 years ago with clear goals. get those who attract us on september, 11th, 2001. and make sure our guided could not use f ganeth stand as

a base from which to attack us again. we did that. now some are remembering how wishy washy joe biden was when it came to the obama white house's decision to take out. been lawton. he eventually praise the decision when it fit the overall narrative and emission that will go down to the annals of intelligence and special operations. some of america's most gifted security professionals track down some and a lot after the trail had gone cold. joe, what do you think? and i said, you know, i didn't know we had so many economists around the table. i said, we oh, demanded direct answer. mister president, my suggestion is, don't go, we have to do 2 more things to see if he's there. now biden looks a little shaky when you look over other foreign policy decisions as well when it comes to iraq. he voted for the war and he pushed the false claims about weapons of

mass destruction. but now he's for withdrawing their to as vice president. he's supported, prime minister ma leaking and many of argues that he ended up emboldening isis when it came to libya, biden was very outspoken in supporting the overthrow of what was at that time, one of the most stable and economically prosperous regimes on the african continent . you now says that one was a big hoops as well, starting to look like biden doesn't really know what he's doing on the global stage . this is something his critics have been pointing out quite loudly in recent years . i think biden has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy, a national security issue over the past 4 decades. remember our biden campaign for office by calling out? donald trump says unpredictable and untrustworthy when it came to us foreign policy . well, recent moves in afghanistan are certainly not an argument in joe biden favor, you know, it's hard to know what's going through biden's mind because he does change his mind

on strategic issues. and he doesn't have any clear set of guiding principles when it comes to foreign affairs. yes it's, it's somewhat of a crisis. but the crisis happened a long time ago when democrats stopped supporting and non interventionist military policy when, when democrats were all in favor of going into iraq and going into afghanistan. and when they supported hillary clinton and obama, when we, when the united states military got involved in libya and other places, they already lost the logical battle. they are in a crisis happens. so this is just another symptom of bad policies within the democratic party. and the democratic party losing the good things that had ever had that it stood for almost 20 years of years involvement in afghanistan. it's taking a heavy toll on millions of people. so it's not been kind to us taxpayers. we've had to foot the bill for one of the country's most expensive was in history. we

take a look at the extraordinary costs of the campaign. on my orders, the united states military has begun, strikes against the al qaeda, terrorist training camps and military installations of the taliban regime in afghanistan. we will win this conflict by the patient accumulation of successes by meeting a series of challenges with determination and will and purpose the the the

real, the wealthiest country in the history of the world. and yet we have the higher trial poverty rate, almost any country on earth. our mission against them was never supposed to been nation building. meanwhile, a, you lay this aw, growing increasingly concerned about how the situation is developing enough canister. they say the chaos could spread to europe with a huge influx of refugees anglo michael's already own countries neighboring. i've gone this time to take on refugees in the 1st place. the french presidents and german chancellor were among the 1st a voice that concerns this one was on the c p. we must anticipate and protect ourselves against major irregular my great re flows that would endanger those who use them and feed trafficking of all kinds. we will therefore take the initiative to build without delay. a robust, coordinated and united response will involve the fight against irregular flows,

stuff unblocked. it is now a given that okay, can no longer carry out attacks against the united states from ghana. they did on september 11, 2001 with everything that has followed has not been successful and has not been achieved in the way we had planned will respond to a concern at the ensuing crisis and the potential impact ticket have on europe. the german chancellor found time to attend the film premier in berlin. despite criticism, the countries only managed to safely evacuate 7 of his national so far from cobble even before recent events, the number of afghans thing the country each week was estimating the 10s of thousands that's not expected to grow, of course, and rapidly. with the crisis america authorized half a $1000000000.00 in media age to african refugees. but there's also seen oliver explains. the vast majority of those migrants won't be washington's problem. europe has watched on in horror at the speed at which 20 years of nato occupation of afghanistan was turned around by the taliban advance sit down north triple a. p. it

is a challenge for peace and international stability against terrorism and those who supported smith and i was promised. this is an extremely bitter development. the leader, dramatic and terrifying. now have to concentrate on the rescue. we don't want anybody a bilaterally recognizing the taliban and we want to united a position amongst all the like minded. as far as we can get one, as hundreds of thousands of people have already fled their homes. enough gone, it's done. and many more are expected to do the same here in germany, the man who's looking to replace angle merkel as chancellor says, we can't be allowed to let recent history repeats itself. we have to give our 1st joint european and trans atlantic response this week. the mistakes in dealing with the syrian civil war must not be made again. 2015 should not be repeated. the us quitting galveston and the return of the taliban is set to see a rise in both seeking sanctuary. but just where these people are going to go,

there's already around 3000000 off gun people displaced in iran. over 2000000 of whom are and documented to ron has suggested that it could set up more refugee camps on its eastern border. but that would require funding with eyes looking towards the a you for help. pakistan is home to 1400000, registered african refugees and asylum applicants. but along with turkey, which is housing over $3000000.00 syrian refugees, islam about an anchor, a king to work together to stop more arrivals. take your turkey is facing a growing wave of africa migrants transiting through iran. we will continue efforts to enable the return of stability in the region beginning with afghanistan. and to do that, we have to pursue and strengthen our cooperation with pakistan. e. u. member states are very aware that europe is a destination of choice for many fleeing. i've got to stop so much so that earlier

this month, 6 member states put their name to a letter warning house stopping deportations back to afghanistan would be viewed, stopping return, sent to the wrong signal, and is likely to march of 8, even more of going citizens to leave their home for the you many hope the 2015 refugee crisis was a warm, soft not to be repeated event. it would seen that reality may have different plans . right now, we know that up to 5000000 guns thinking to leave their country and dead would be much more than we have seen and 2015. the overwhelming majority of what we know from the poems in germany and continental europe. don't want to see a new wave of mass migration, especially not from garrison where people off to 40 years of war

for them it's extremely difficult to, to integrate into the very liberal and feminine european societies. so there is a consensus from the center to the right. don't let them in and don't agree with the 2nd 2015. okay. can speak now to don't trouble getting shoes and associate professor lancaster university. really appreciate you coming on in hindsight such a long mission, benito forces enough got a gun is done given the way that the government has collapsed so quickly. was that lengthy mission that is justified? well, i mean you, you have to ask, how did we not know this was going to happen? you know, i mean, it's time sites always 2020 and it's not fair to do. but in the states we come monday morning quarterbacking and always look back critically. but i think that's important. i mean, we've, united states has been involved in these types of withdrawals all across the world,

either by, by withdrawing us troops or their own militia, privately hired militia. so, i mean, it's not like we're new to this idea of cutting and running at some point. how did we not think this through and how does something surprise, even the president who says they never, you know, who says they never thought this is going to happen so quickly. it really should be a lesson again about not going into a place for 20 years or go and even think you're going to be there for 5 months to stay for for 2 decades. it's really unbelievable that this just history keeps repeating itself like this. how do you think us allies might view this? plenty of them spend billions of dollars in funding. they send and put their own troops lives on the line. how do you think they will reflect on it? yeah, that's interesting. let's not forget the lives that have been lost by those who have done this mission as they call it. i think that united states is being quite

disingenuous. and 1st of all, blaming the failure of this mission on the african people. it's government and military, but also has now been putting it into the lapse of, as you saw in your earlier reporting, all the way across eastern and western europe. you know, the united states will come back and say, well, we give a to almost all of those places or have financial investments. and most of those places that you named. but that's not that doesn't help the person who's going into a refugee camp. it's just unbelievable to me. we didn't hear from joe biden for a week. we haven't seen him or heard from him. he's basically doing blacklisting the press from his presidency and then comes out with this statement that is blame full and death turned out, but has nothing to say about the actual individuals who are clinging to the side of airplanes who are left at airports and who are being shipped out or hoping to leave

and are being blocked at other borders. it's really an unbelievable mishap that never should have happened. and unfortunately, because he's not, donald trump, criticism of him is going to be sent to the side. you would you anticipate a mass exodus now from afghan, astound lots of refugees heading out. presumably europe will be the, the 1st port of call and will, will you be willing to take the well as exactly what, what we're seeing happen. and i think that europe already is under massive stream in terms of humanitarian aid that it provides to other nations and in the region. i, i don't, i don't know why we're not seeing united states president standing. i've been saying, okay, you know, we cause this weather was 20 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago or last week. and we need to step in and help with that. nobody should

have to go and live in a refugee camp because a western democracy is decided that it's nice, you're building a must be clear, it was nation building. that was the mission that we were there for. if we remember back to, to those days, and as a reporter, i remember reporting and those types of ways that this was about democracy as much as it was about other things, such as stopping. but nobody should have to live in a refugee camp because of these decisions that are being made by a western government. is it unreasonable to think that after 20 years of having that country occupied, as well as some legitimate refugees, that there might be some people who hall harbor a lot of ill will towards the west. some terrorist affiliated individuals who will be looking for some con, to revenge, and try to slip out amongst those refugees heading west. well, you know, i can't, i can't speak to how refugees are being transported. but i do think that there is

a will. and when people came back after 911 and said, why did this happen? you know, we have to remember what was going on in afghanistan decades before that in the united states role in that part of the world for a very long time that had led to will. and i think that it's not to excuse terrorism, and it's not to say that that is just a bible or acceptable, but it is much more complicated. then i think american citizens then and now see terrorism as people just don't like us without, without like clear, critical literacy of understanding the role that the united states has played in different parts of the world. it's the american voter themselves is going to be able to see past the propaganda of military end of the press end of the white house that basically says, well, you know, we're there to help and we're there to spread democracy and keep american safe. the,

the narrative is, has to be much more complicated than that in it's and it's sad to see that this is another opportunity that, that's been missed where we're not really educated, let alone the rest of the world in some ways. but the united states about its own governments involvement. really appreciate time robert dr. robert gucci, associate professor from lancaster university. my guest with the taliban now affectively controlling afghanistan, rushes express cautious. optimism regarding the movement's ability to maintain law and order in the capital. cobble moscow is also indicated that it gives for the formation of inclusive power transition structures in the country, stopping. sure, the recognizing the taliban as of yet but the missouri. we've said this on multiple occasions already. we're in no hurry to recognise the taliban, just like all the other countries to say that we will now take some unilateral political steps would be premature. there are some foreign minister,

so describe the situation unfolding. there is the natural result of the us native to withdraw doing parallels with other western lead innovations interventions over the past 2 decades, critic se washed in length the operations have been playing directly into the tyler bands. hands on easiest on of they've done it. finally, from seriously b, a in the middle east to venezuela and cuba and latin america, washington has a decades long history of failed attempts to bring anti government militia is to power. and at last, they've cracked the code in afghanistan with the taliban. apparently, all they had to do is instead of aiding them, they should have just fought against them all this time. thanks to our military and our allies and the brave fighters of afghanistan, taliban regime is coming to an end. there is little doubt that our greatest military challenge right now is afghan. stan, we must reverse the tale, bonds,

momentum, and deny of the ability to overthrow the government. our troops will fight to win. we will fight to win. it all started so well. the u. s. invaded the taliban, fled to the mountains, the u. s. trained and trained and train the new konami spend billions on supplying it with more noms. we spent over a trillion dollars. we trained and equipped an afghan military force. with some 300000 strong. 3 gave them every tool. they could need all of this in vain, only for the taliban to seize all the equipment. as soon as i've got to stand fools, which strengthen their already solid position in the country, the comprehension of the situation on the ground was also far from what you might expect from the country, deeming itself the military and intelligence superpower. the united states currently lacks

a comprehensive strategy to gates reconstruction efforts in afghanistan. it also lacks overarching plants with clearly defined metrics to guide its work in a number of key areas, such as anti corruption, connor narcotics, health, education, gender rule of law and water. all this lead to the inevitable corruption, the thriving within the security forces. there glaring ineffectiveness and as a result, lack of trust to the us backed institution from locals. the african population perceives places, predatory pundits and calls them the most hated institution in the country. around 30 percent of the recruited place of deserted whether issued weapons to set up their own private checkpoints and extort money from travelers. various sources report of the telephone calls were preferrable alternative, and that they were perceived as accessible, fast and less corrupt than the government established courts. so when the us says something like this, that force proved incapable of defending the country. and that did happen more

rapidly than we anticipated. is it that big of a surprise? i mean, really well, but at least this time america is meddling actually lead a militant group. even one recognized as terrorists by many states to gain total control over a country of galveston who failed. the united states failed and they failed to train the ocoee and military. but to be honest, this isn't even the 1st time where we've in something like this. remember how much the united states invested in in nation building in iraq and how the iraqi security forces web. at 1st sight of islam extended, it was very obvious to me. as soon as the united states said that it would be withdrawing that this was essentially the same thing as hinting the keys to the towel them. but i truly do not believe that the american public understood this and i'm not.