the ah, one of the desperate guy clung to us military playing, taking off from cobble films, the ordeal on his phone. his fight is unknown, but others went on to plunge to the meanwhile, the kind of grief the media offer its power grub from the thing is to fix low revenge that i've gotten to work for. foreign armies are forgiven. also it's reveal it. how about commander who gave a victory speech from cobbled presidential policy when years of the detainees in guantanamo bay? ah, blah for moscow, thanks for joining us on our team to nationals and it's, i'm daniel hawkins with utah. sunrise. welcome through the program. now 1st up for

more scenes of chaos and i've got to start off the sound of the takeover. don shots were fired at the international airport and cobble as people scrambled to flee the new regime. some tried to scale perimeter walls and fences to reach of occupation flights with desperate parents dragging their children over the barbed wire there on confound reports, a ton about a fight, a shot, a man scaling a wool. while 7 people have been confirmed, killed at the airport in the last few days, the sounds payments are taken on sunday captured the turmoil in and around the harbors. thousands attempted to flee, due to lack of petrol locals reportedly abandon their cars at the roadsides. fuel is expensive there right now and difficult to find. while some of those who reached the airport was so desperate to get out resorted to clinging to plains that were

taking off. this video was filmed by one of those who took that risk. it's unclear what their fate was though, since the videos are most online, it hoped he was one of the lucky ones. others, the ones on verified and disturbing video has emerged on line, apparently showing some of those who clung to a us air force plane falling to the death is reported that human right human remains were also found. the landing gear of that same plane after its flight from cobble farms and munition were also dumped at the longest rocks and the cause of the capitals. airport. locals abandoned them as they attempted to flee. we heard from local journalist bill all so worry on what's going on on the ground in the country right now. one of the taliban are clearly trying to adopt the massive political and social changes that exist in this country. for example, 20 years ago i was didn't have access to internet, you'd have the viper and media you didn't have the said it in journalism generation

. it can be on the taliban side as well. they are using social media, you know, the new media. and they also know what changes have taken place, events unfolding really, really quickly. the spokesman did said at the amnesty offer extended to everyone, including those who work with the americans was something to be 100 and known as to fear anyone. and he also said one of potential and talent could contribute to one is that in they'll be a power shedding government and islamic government, although no further details were provided. so you know, the fact that the taliban, what interviewed lab understands largest television station. hello. that's something that would not happen 20 years ago to talk about it would not allow it of understand didn't have you know, such a powerful media outlet. so we will have to see how the transition takes place for the taliban from fighting into politics, into governance. how can we keep,

for example, i want to sound functional? how can we keep a city like cobbled functional which is why the of us to form a man of cobble at to stay in this position. mister pansy was a one time close ally of den president of why me and the minister of hell. why my 0 who are seeing working during the corona pandemic has been kept on as position to continue serving the people. so obviously there is that under running among the taliban and to run the bureaucracy and to run the government, they would need the help of former government officials. they have actually called on to come back. as people tried to flee the taliban, gave a media briefing in which and attempted to assure afghans they would be safe if they stayed in particular and said it would not exact revenge on those who collaborated with the u. s, coalition to power korea joined my colleagues, asking taylor to discuss what that means. that seems to be the main message of

peace and love. i guess the taliban leadership made this press conference apparently to kind of give a face to the international community that this is a new taliban that they're friendly. they want to make peace. one of the 1st things that they 1st, again said is that they want peace, which would mean that there would be no interrogations. and no revenge or any of that sort against anybody who worked in ganeth and any foreign citizens of foreign fighters, foreign workers, or even of gas and citizens who helped us coalition during these years master that the spokes person for the taliban leadership went on to talk about things like women's rights that women would now have it much better under the new government that the taliban leadership will make. they're still working on that part. they would have all their rights protected. they would be come a very active part of society. they would be able to work on air and even have hold places and positions in government. although they did stress, of course,

that this would be under the guidelines of serial law. so whatever that means and how that would be actually implemented. after that, he talked about media freedom. once again, everybody can work. everybody can function even encouraged the media to highlight the shortcomings of the afghanistan government. although he did warned, for it not to work against the government. and independent media would also be allowed to remain free and independent basically. so all these messages, they're basically saying that this is a new taliban leadership. this is going to be new. and they've been talking about this all over the place, basically saying these messages to anybody, even our team reached out for an interview with them. and here's what they said. they're not exposed to any danger because they are in our homeland, among their people. we strive to make the future for the people and the country worthy. we have no desire to take revenge on these people. we strive to ensure that all people united, despite all the challenges we want to build a new country and make our people have a decent future. we have issued

a number of decrees including the decrease concerning those translators who collaborated with the occupying regime for one reason or another. the past is the past. they don't have any problems right now. so it's a media tom offensive. that's for sure. but how convinced our people? well, obviously not everybody is convinced. we can see from all the care going on and again, stand with the mass exodus and all the scenes of people trying to flee the country . because, phil, it's the taliban internationally recognize terrorist organizations. but the taliban leadership has stressed that what it tries to conveys, trying to convey is that they've changed. it's been 20 years since they were in power. and over these 20 years, the afghan people grew and they grew. and they're not the same taliban, there they were back then. and kind of shows i guess you could say because now they have twitter handles. they're holding press conferences that by all means are civil . i'm sure many people thought it would be something more barbaric when they are a taliban press conference. there's a lot of promises made here,

right. so it's still remains to be seen if any of these promises will be held. but one thing this press conference has shown at least, is that the taliban has learned p r. basically it's learned how to communicate with the west. it's learned how to use these key words that the international community generally likes the new look taliban has already failed to convince some of the, the east foreign policy chief, joseph burrell saying we owe anything. he'd the group improved on in the last 20 years. was his member's ability to speak english. you lead as a grown increasingly worried about the situation in the country feeling the chaos could spread to hear by prompting. a large influx of refugees. well out in the block will help. i'm going to solve neighbors deal with margaret floes. need to coordinate between to be a union member states congress. it will be how you know and we will have to support it timesheets and neighbors countries. well, joseph borrow,

who we were listening to, their summed up the sentiments, expressed at a online meeting of the you foreign ministers in which he said that the priority was the safe evacuation of european and of any african citizens who had worked with them for more than 20 years, if indeed they wanted to be evacuated. he also said that they were ready to engage with the taliban. this did not mean official recognition that it was an acceptance . now, not everybody in europe is happy. you have, for example, from germany and eastern european capitals who are asking the question why other countries are not taking on the burden of dealing with these refugees. first, we have to discuss how to accommodate the people in the neighboring countries and move forward. the next step would be to look further, but a european solution would certainly be difficult. we have not yet managed to create a common asylum policy development. this would be, we must anticipate and protect ourselves against major irregular my great re flows

that would endanger those who use them and feed trafficking of all kinds. we will therefore take the initiative to build without delay, a robust, coordinated, and united response that will involve the fight against irregular flows. now despite michael's concern about the human crisis and the potential impact that this could have on us, but she did manage to find time to attend to full premier in burlington. and despite the criticism that so far, gemini had only evacuated 7 of its national from cabal. at the same time, a number of leaders are very pessimistic. you have, for example, the check president, my list zeeman, who had said that nato failed in afghanistan, and its legitimacy has now been brought into question. the distrust towards nato from a number of member countries will grow up to this experience because they will say, if you failed and again, it's done. whereas a guarantee that you won't fail in any other critical situation. at austria,

it has cold on neighboring countries to have done to set up people taishan centers as a way of handling immigrants that are attempting to flee the taliban. also, of course, is maintaining a very hard line stance when it comes to immigrants. you then have turkey, which is in the final stages of building a 295 kilometer road along its border with the ran to prevent african refugees from entering that country. the nato secretary general said the priority for nato was as follows. nato's focus right now is to ensure the safe departure or personnel from ally than partner countries. and of the africans who have helped us very good method that europe was surprised at the speed of the political and military collapse of the cobble government. it was something that they had not anticipated. he also said that he was frustrated that after years of international assistance,

the results were to quote him not better. or british journalist who focuses on international affairs, richard met her, thinks the use priority is not human rights. its profits and foreign policy objective. we've known for decades now that the war and i'm gonna stand as last, it was last from day one. this government was never going to work. and yet a series of us generals and nato officials lying about the capacity and capability of the afghan government that they set up. and the security forces, who they pumped full of weapons to make money for the arms industry. if the taliban have of course territorial control, they don't have what is, of course, the western legitimacy just yet neither from the un and, nor from and to certainly not from the u. s. and the u. k. was egg on their faces because they've been telling us for 20 years that they're trying to set up a government there and they have failed miserably. because the whole thing was a racket to make money for the weapons industry will never about nation building or about delivering democracy was while making money for the private sector. it's that simple. you the western world,

they claim it's about human rights. they say that recognizing a taliban government, a potential taliban government is contingent upon human rights. but again, i find this hard to believe. i think the real factor is not human rights for them. it's whether it's profitable, whether it's convenient for their foreign policy objective. i think the most important thing to see how russia, china and iran deal with ghana, stan and, you know, consider ties with, with them. not necessarily the united states alone, because obviously the taliban have, you know, they've called their bluff on the optimal solve the televisions rapid entry into cobble, washington refrained from comments, but job by the national security adviser has that outlined us strategy and its use of the situation to the press following the white house press secretary comments the main take away the us did not expect to go that way and not quite sure what to do next. even well drawn plans don't survive 1st contact with reality. this is happen more rapidly than we anticipated here. there is chaotic situation in cobble

where we don't even have the establishment of a governing authority. when you're at a point where things are happening more quickly than anyone would have anticipated, then you're going to have some chaotic stand slash you listen to us officials discussing afghanistan. they don't seem to be providing real information and seem to be emphasizing that they don't have a clear picture of the answer, the questions they're being asked. and one question that came up is, what about all the weapons the united states has provided to ask and security forces over the years. where did they go? those black hawks were not given to the top one. they were given to the african national security forces to be able to defend themselves. we don't have a complete picture, obviously of where every article of defense materials has gone by. certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the taliban. and obviously we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport. now,

mid these fumbling responses that indicate perhaps a lack of knowledge of what's really going on. we are seeing us officials try out an old tried and true method flap on some sanctions and hope everything works out. i am not going to go into the full planet panel play of things that we can do, but there are obviously issues related to sanctions. there remains to be seen whether or not the taliban really cares about us. sanction, however, washington has made clear is not going to sacrifice any more american lives on the altar of democracy. in afghanistan, however, national security adviser sullivan did make clear. he cares deeply about afghan women, truly deeply. my heart goes out to ask in women and girls in the country today under the tall. so amid confusion, as the global community looks on the situation in afghanistan as a lot of questions for us leaders about what they did know and didn't know and

what's going to happen in the future. i'm sure everyone is totally reassured by these answers that have just been provided by washington officials. one ton of on command who gave a victory speech from inside the presidential palace soon off of the militants took over the african capital. it's immersed is a form of the tiny america is infamous. guantanamo by prison. camp also who is he? going to hardy was born in 975 and recruited by the taliban in the 1990 spanish and adjoining the movements. so called ministry of intelligence in 2001 he was attained by us forces in cobble and subsequently sent to one ton of mo, where he was among the 1st detainees. well, that he was incarcerated till 2007. now at the time wrong, he was demons of all us intelligence as a medium level threat to the us and its allies and was expected to join groups

dedicated to attacking us forces in afghanistan. if released. yet, the americans eventually bid. let him go addressing the review vital ronnie reportedly claimed he was an ordinary shopkeeper. he wanted to return home to camp sick father. we had earlier from school with a former marine corps intelligence officer. he told us he places like one time a bay. we're bound to create extreme with the united states is very rarely has 100 percent accurate information on people. we detain the, these people for, for many years. if i were detained off the street as an innocent person and subjected to in humane treatment in an illegal facility for a number of years by an occupying party. and then i was released, my life would focus solely on killing those people. so when, when people get radicalized by undergoing an experience that no human being should

be subjected to, we shouldn't be surprised. it's 100 percent counterproductive. i mean, anybody was, any brain knows that this is not how you go forward. meanwhile, i've got a song vice president is valid to keep up the fight against. it's all about our mula sally tweeted, he was inside the country and was now in fact the acting president. report say around $10000.00 the afghan troops are on their way to pansy. a province to join the resistance. the air is very close to cobble and includes a strategically important road that leads to the north of the country. so that has reportedly been joined by allah. but we can honestly refuse to give, in northern part who have got to start has historically been a thorn in the tunnel and side. it was home to the so called northern alliance, which forging a terrorist in the ninety's, according to some report fighting, has already broken out with afghan forces managing to wrest control of some areas the capital. meanwhile, fresh videos are much said to be

a women protesting in cobble. they're demanding that rights to be respected, including to work education and political participation. a ton of bondo has actually been urging women, apparently to join the government in another unprecedented move, a taliban official, sat with a female presenter for an interview with hollow news. an african television station is all part of a p. r campaign to present a more moderate side of the group for the wealth. my colleague, me, harvey, discuss the freedom in the country with side my 70. he's a chairman and chief executive of movie group which overseas follow news. the tile of trying to win hearts and minds. they're trying to convince the political stablished, people outside the taliban movement to join and support the taliban movement that are trying to secure international support. so i think it's a bit early. it's a bit too early to judge us to what the long term intentions are. there will be

a transitional government, no doubt. they may be more restrictive, and eventually they'll be an emerett. at the top, i have better ways so long ways to go before we can say that their receptive to women on television or to, you know, equal opportunity for math kind of some. how do you feel about freedom of speech? enough canister? the moment you kind of optimistic may be feared the worst when the taliban came into power. but how are you feeling in the moment? i'm feeling neither. i think it's too early and we can't be used to assume that they have changed for good freedom of speech is not just some reporting on facts. i mean they, they believed that gods on their side. and the holy koran is the constitution. and then they can never be challenged in time. they will need to be need to get channels and we'll see how much capacity they have for criticism when that happens . too, too, too early. and we have months and months ahead of us to see if they actually their,

their actions match the words. it's understandable. we sent an awful lot of people fleeing heading for the airport. it's been tragic at times, watching the people that tends to get out. have you had any real stops saying look, you know, we just not comfortable with this we, we want to go? yes we have and there are many who want to stay on and continue their work and some who wish to get that. i mean, what the taliban do in the, in the coming weeks will determine what people do in the years. i had this, this of this, this middle class, this youth was, you know, 60 percent off for november the age of 20. and they can, they can make or break the country and if they leave, we lose our educated class. so really it's up to the top line in terms of how they behave and their behavior is going to impact what people do in the months ahead of the taliban take over the red cross set. it will keep staff and i've got to start and continue providing assistance to all sides. recently the 8 organization

reported since june, the 1st treated 40000 people wounded fighting in the country. while the figure for august alone so far is 8000 red crosses, director for asia and the pacific says that in recent years i have a half the casualties have been women and children on the recent fighting, you know, in the country and visiting the recent days we've been seeing a number of ensured must have been injured in that would fighting down leg got it right and created huge you monitor in need. here are deeply you back a bit more from the fighting over the years here. the concern is really much on the women and children that are making more than half of the casualties such that we

have we receive, you know, we're, we're supporting because here from there you'll have to imagine where the long term stripling and baby once you have been to the us because you're going to be or so we heard those think i rehabilitation printer where it would take years to just treat people that could have been them to take it from from those we are very much committed to continue with the work be in a hospital, but that's not on me that i can understand the reason 5 psyche and this is not something that we are denying. however much of the remedy that we have had over the years and he's already known and we've been working in pregnancy control. it's probably been controlled, i really am very much going to be that we can continue working. we're going to, he's are very much the ones are natalia independent and it's very crucial, particularly at this moment. that's one organization stand by there was the russian

for, i'm going to shield to describe the current predicament as the natural result of the us and nato trip withdrawal. drawing parallels with other western interventions over the past 2 decades. critic, se washington's link. the operations in the country have been playing directly into the taliban hands as always. egos done off report. they've done it. finally from siri and libya in the middle east to venezuela and cuba and latin america. washington has a decades long history of failed attempts to bring anti government militia is to power. and at last they've crack the code in afghanistan with the taliban. apparently, all they had to do is instead of aiding them, they should have just fought against them all this time. thanks to our military and our allies and the brave fighters of afghanistan, taliban regime is coming to an end. there is little doubt that our greatest

military challenge right now is afghan. stan, we must reverse the tale, bonds, momentum, and deny the ability to overthrow the government. our troops will fight to win. we will fight to win. it all started so well. the us invaded the taliban, fled to the mountains. the us trained and trained and train the new konami spend billions on supplying it with more noms. we spent over a trillion dollars. we trained and equipped an afghan military force. with some 300000 strong. we gave them every tool they could need all of us in vain, only for the taliban to seize all the equipment. as soon as i've got to stand fools, which strengthen their already solid position in the country, the comprehension of the situation on the ground was also far from what you might expect from the country, deeming itself the military and intelligence superpower. the united states

currently lacks a comprehensive strategy to gates reconstruction efforts in afghanistan. it also lacks overarching plants with clearly defined metrics to guide its work in a number of key areas, such as anti corruption, connor narcotics, health, education, gender rule of law and water. all this lead to the inevitable corruption, the thriving within the security forces. there glaring ineffectiveness and as a result, lack of trust to the u. s. backed institution from locals. the african population perceives places, predatory bandits and calls them the most hated institution in the country. around 30 percent of the recruited police have deserted whether issued weapons to set up their own private checkpoints and extolled money from travelers. various sources before the telephone calls were preferrable alternative, and that they were perceived as accessible, fast and less corrupt than the government established courts. so when the us says something like this, that force proved incapable of defending the country. and that did happen more

rapidly than we anticipated. is it that big of a surprise? i mean, really well, but at least this time america is meddling actually lead and militant group. even one recognized as terrorists by many states to gain total control over a country of galveston who failed. the united states failed and they failed to train the ocoee and military. but to be honest, this isn't even the 1st time where we've in something like this. remember how much the united states invested in in nation building in iraq and how the iraqi security forces word. at 1st sight of islam extended, it was very obvious to me. as soon as you know, you said that it would be withdrawing that this was essentially the same thing as hitting the keys to the towel them. but i truly do not believe that the american

public understood this, and i'm not even sure that the fight in administration understood receive. this is what happens when you try to impose a western concept of them, but democratization onto a culture that has absolutely no concept of, of it. i mean, they didn't, they never had an army there before. and they, they were more involved in insurgencies and whatever. then we tried to build an army, this was totally alien to them. so none of this is surprising. and many of us very early on were saying this is a, a prescription for disaster. and this outcome is very dismayed. on the one hand, i feel very badly for the asking people because they have really taken the brunt of, of this miscalculation both by their own leadership and by the united states. government love to ruffle miss alice coverage of the unraveling situation in

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