[000:00:00;00] ah, ah, the chaos around the international airport in cobble as ever more guns tried desperately for that country trying to do . and i went to my country. they pushed me out. they kicked me out with my district ration for like the, the us cost $2000.00 or more. was washington things of drop plans. the shock people fleeing, i've got a thought following a wave of criticism online sales wise discharge that you're seeing here. they're all clues. a local journalist gives us

a tool around cobbled to see how life is changed. not going to market. it's moscow for the last time is jalen sean, fill out the thrush out solutions the pressing problem was not any uprooting whitaker, 2 decades worth of ups and down in relation between the 2 lead aah! from oscar. thanks for joining us on. daniel hawkins. welcome to the program of crowds of desperate afghans are still amassing around cobbled floors in the hope of escaping to a new life away from a terrible the gone for i can still be heard as people stampede in desperation or foreign troops on the taliban occasionally shot in the air, this was crowns,

and it's getting increasingly difficult to control situations. soldiers also find us into the crowd. early on friday, though, it's unclear from which country the . in this video, you can see i can still just station at the airport following blanks. troops tried to push people away from the entrance. locals say they're being treated badly by both sides. when i give in past 2 days to get into the americans, they push me out. they kick me out. i would just be in the district that yes to did it just for the demit you tried to go to the guy mom and working fine with the costs and everyone was going by here. like i know when i go to kick in between the kids dedicated like one year old kid. oh, goodness. american. yeah. yeah. and it's, you know, the american,

the germans it to be the people with, with baseball or local journalists, took a sort of tool around the capital on the taliban rule and spoke with those who see the city as well as those who are trying to escape also several days that they call, we'll see the capital of a gun, it's on fall into the economy. and it seems that the sales is quite the shop that you're seeing here. they're all clues, the bonds, the restaurant, the supermarket did all cruise. and if you see this region here, it's a completely acquired 3. if you compare it with us before we do a month before or before the telephone capture, the city, it was a very rock city. it was these areas, in fact a very rough area of call, but no, it's very, it's looking very why we will our majority. this person does not make a model in a pretty kind of frog. i told the people and call them that they are protected by the ton of on

w w. i also say that it's not about leadership. i have all the to the fighters that they don't have permission to enter any houses or to any to search either houses. i didn't build they, they are not allowed to enter the house is our inquiry on the government. people know i'm a year and a checkpoint of a ton of money published. i booked us with the commander of the check point. that's how they can show to security people and what they are saying, what people call up my name is the ra mancha chime. i'm the major hit in the baseline. the camera move in, and it has been 18 or 20 years that we've been in the mountains. now. we've captured capital city. i hope you're not set and we have not great of the problem for the cabin people. now i see the shops and markets are closed. what's a message to the shopkeepers and owners of the market? look at good. we have given them freedom. they should common,

opened their shops. there is no problem for them. the fight in finished and again, fighting has finished and the gun this done loads had animals before going to her. now we should come together and save our country. this is one of the cobble international airport get lots of people are just gathered here to get charles to get inside of the airport. the security forces that they don't get permission for anyone to get inside of the airport. now i'm going to interview with one of the guys who is working for a long time, but he couldn't find the child to get inside of the airport. so how long have you been behind this kid? been around 3 days. there were people that stormed the airport with a certificate for an english course. people went with electricity bills, but those of us with the real documents couldn't get inside. i have my special immigrant visa, which has been accepted and approved, but i still can't get to the side getting caught. and meanwhile, people are running in the streets to show their resistance the taliban regime and

verify the video shows a man being assaulted by taliban fighter for work, an afghan national flag. that's not about member stop. the civilian on the streets took the flag and his him in the face. but also in cobble. these things are crowns, marching through the streets, denouncing the takeover of the country, showing the anti taliban slogans and carried giants guns, flags that have become a symbol of defiance. women also took part in the progress they remain among the most threatened in today's taliban control. i've got to start. c wilson to take over the streets a street address cobblestone women facing having painted over several shops and beat silence at all so close that doors out of fear of possible reprisals. some local, say, women have practically disappeared from the streets with any very small lumber down to come out. all that the spy that's out of uncertainty promises to respect women's rights. it seems. many afghans don't have confidence in those was that it was,

we don't want to go back 20 years. they used force against us and broke our smartphone. and they told us that you can not freeze your flag. they told us, go and sit at home, your women be ashamed. we were forced to protest against them to show the world that the telephone government does not have any value. no, just flaws. it has no legitimate to the world alone. my colleague, jewelry, sushi, talked to the mayor of cobble about the situation on the ground, explained how he managed to keep his job off the taliban took over. they are in touch with me. they called me and they informed me that i should continue my job for seems to some that the taliban is perhaps putting on a bit of a p. r stunt at the moment the taliban saying that they want women to have the opportunity perhaps to even get a job. busy it says women can perhaps even get an education a we have educated women,

we have women who can provide services. we have women can who can be part of the economy. therefore it's only logical for itala by government. our for any government to make sure that we take advantage of that issue of women has to be dealt with and the context of human rights. and islam, of course, within that context, there are freedoms. we cannot deny that from the women of upon us. one, do you think the lack of resistance, even the lack of blood spilled, suggests that actually strong support for the taliban within the country. there was a little bit of both for support for paula bon resentment of how things were managed. this satisfaction among rocket rank and file and the ministry executed forces to not to fight because they didn't want to fight or something unknown. the everything was defined around individuals rather than systems. therefore, the motivation to fight for

a person or persons was not enough for the people to fight. therefore there was no bloodshed. thank god. do you think mister mayor? the people of cobble are going to accept taliban rule? both sides have to come to grips with reality. and naturally follow, but will also have to come to grips with reality that up on the sun is not the same as 20 years ago. so there is a given take that has to take place. getting to the airport is a question itself. one german citizen was shot and wounded on his way the in while the mines now said to be carrying out house to house searches for people who oppose them. during one the medicine kill the family member of a deutsche about a journalist who now works in germany. 2 days ago the medicine promised not to carry out reprisals and let media operate as normal. i mean look, fell the german journalist and released x, but she's not surprised to taliban promises didn't last long. the situation, you know,

it's completely algebra. i think it's the transmission situation and probably that source on the ground. i mean, the taliban fighters on the wrong, who are going from door to door, do not really know what i need to ship in order to say, i think that's not the structure of the clear hierarchy on the situation is. so i'm saying that these things can happen and i'm afraid to last for longer and, but at the same time we must remember that kind of sun is we try the society and people follow different order, you know, from that try and not really used to follow the order of leadership, of political leadership or military leadership, which is far away and at the same time as possible that people set on old bill. i

mean, the sound may be a little bit cynical, but when you have a situation like this is now enough, this can happen. meanwhile, a former rule marines commanders to the picture of an empty flight leaving campbell . you said it was taken by his wife who was on board the image, which is so foreign confront, went viral with people on twitter, things, scanners, even though thousands of desperate people who could have been flung to safety. the u. k. ministry of defense said the plane wasn't death, according to the ex marine planes that take me off from cobble every hour, with an empty or full america's evacuation and also modern controversy. united states issued a lot last week saying that recreation floods from afghanistan come with a dollar price tag, and then it suddenly waived the fee. kellum open explains the usa bell, and originally flights were supposed to cost $2000.00 to leave afghanistan, that applied to american citizens as well as foreigners. but now the state

department has rolled back that price tag. they are now no longer making that charge. they say it is unique circumstances. however, many are saying this is simply a result of the outrage around the world and on social media. what americans have to pay to be evacuated from gaston invited america. everything is free, accepting the variation from the terrorist written math. he can read it, i just verified this on the us ampersand of genesis website. the state department was in charge of civilian evacuations. they failed miserably and continued to fail when the dust settles. it's hard to see how secretary blinking should still up a job. when a bad, not a dime of that makes its way to the us treasury, our entire government is report out is scamarus, liars, and thieves. now the scenes that the cobble airport had been a huge source of embarrassment for the white house and their attempts to save face . amid that embarrassment in biden's dropping poll numbers, they haven't really gone over very well. here's the fighting,

basically brushing off such questions. in his recent interview, we've all seen the pictures. we've seen those hundreds of people pack into a c. 17. we've seen afghans was 4 days ago, 5 days ago. just to help the us president, people were falling off of airplanes on monday, i want to warn the viewers. these are some rather disturbing images of what happened at the airport. but the u. s. a is not only investigating situations where people fell off of the airplanes, but also some human remains that were found inside one airplane. so quite a disturbing situation there. now, the us ambassador to the united nations, she says that friends and allies are not falling off of planes. we are in a process of trying to get people out and our friends and allies are not hanging off of planes or friends and allies are getting the support of the u. s. government

. now there are individuals falling off of planes who have been identified. one is a young afghan, who was a soccer player. the other is a doctor and both of them are reported to have died from falling off the plane. so if these are not friends and allies, then who exactly are there with the us is also facing criticism for not doing anything to help those fling. the thought about actually making their way to cobble airport is how the u. s. defense department defended position. we don't have the capability to go out and collect of large numbers of people and bar. i don't have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into into cobble. rather the same time british french force is conducting special ops to help their citizens get to the airport safely. lead people to ask one of the us called creative phone humanitarian portals blue cross live to coca cheryl veterans support group. but to get more on this, adams,

thanks for joining us in the program today. great to be with us. thank you. why do you think france the u. k. can help us citizens get to the airport? we're as the u. s. a struggle to set up such operations help their citizens leave the country. and i guess how would you evaluate the evacuation strategies so far? well, not that the french and british governments or their participation in the ongoing occupation of afghanistan. i've been any more as a goal then the u. s. is they have a slightly different way of doing things and different motivations and incentives. and i love your coverage and those, and i'm, i'm grateful for the opportunity to insert into it a little perspective and explanation of sort of how the u. s. federal government behaves in situation like this, how it makes war and why. and so, as it is pulling the knife out of the back, so to speak,

it wants to twisted it wants to make a mess that actually has a vested interest in the win, draw all of our managed and being as ugly as possible. so that there is an excuse to re engage with the country militarily. and there are serious safety concerns regarding the ongoing about creation operations. do you think more troops would be the answer here to ensure the safety of foreign students leading. and indeed, afghans are also trying to, to leave the city. well, i won't pretend to know the tactical specifics of what's required for that proper evacuation. but obviously the united states military and conducting this withdrawal is not doing it in the way that we know it is capable of. i'm so grateful for that quote, you just shared the word we're not capable,

we're the biggest military honor the most money around. oh no, i can't do it. oh, but the branch and bridge can, like i did, you know, at some point you have to go, you will, you use, you really should have no credibility. and the fact that we, you know, talk about this as if p as dana stan war was a failure, is a real insult to the experience of all the victims. because it is to suggest that the architects of this policy are well intentioned. this was perhaps the most efficiently profitable war crime in human history. and so i do you and me can say, well obviously if we had this humanitarian motivation, we would plan to improve just to do this and we provide logistical support just to do that. and because we have accepted a world dominated by coercive government by imperialist governments that project

military power that do everything that the u. s. federal government is responsible for the evil over its history. we accept least we should accept the things like this war criminals are going to act like war criminals. it really shouldn't surprise us at this point. and i dig, this is just a motivator to make sure that we all learn the lesson and never let it happen. again, i always say this, you mention, they, the biggest superpower, the most amount of money. you'd think us intelligence would be able to foresee what has happened here of a party. they failed to predict the very rapid advance to the tunnel by 90 days of what was the quote, the couple fell in in a week or 10 days. what do you mean by that? so what does that say about us intelligence? in this case? i think there are a lot of sort of mid level puppets in the system who might be saying that publicly

you believe it like oh my gosh. we never saw this coming but the bigger, you know, architect. 3 of these, the policy of the global war on there, you know what they're doing. they said this all up. and i want to take it as an opportunity to point out that one of their m o is one of their general practices in making is making a mess. but. 2 the others, blame it on other people and then demonizing them and right now that's the taliban . and i'm not here to say the taliban is the good guys. i mean, when i step back and i see people fighting over government power, it's like, i don't do both lose, right. but with the taliban being a lot closer to representing the people who gain a standard evidence by their rapid, ga, ga, over. as evidenced by the lack of violent resistance by the habit military of the united states. i think there's going to be a lot of history of this period rewritten,

but i'm optimistic. i think some programs like this thanks. mine amber's and the man, thanks to living in the age of the internet. we will actually really learn the lessons a lot more quickly than ever possible before. what do you think is the answer then to resolving in the short term? what's going on the scenes of couse we're seeing in a car ball in the airport. and obviously in the medium, a long time, we put a lot of words of support and there was of war, condemnation worry about what's going to happen if sending and the troops isn't. the answer is have seen what needs to happen. well, again, i'm going to shy. 2 away from trying to call the particulars of the logistics on the ground. but i do want to pointed to the overarching solutions air that anyone on earth can be a part of that are very important. and once i get this headline from good news network dot org,

the internet raises 6000000 dollars in one day to rest. you asked and targeted by taliban, and this is quinton where he knows go fund me campaign after just a day over $6000000.00. res. so getting foreign aid in a conscientious outside of government way to have damaged and right now is very important. the inclination in the american re, by the way, is blockades embargoes, which technically, as it was the interactive orders. and if you trade with this person, we're going to buy or at least stop you. and if anything we need as much trade, commerce, love, support, charity, and attention. and right now, that's raising money for logistics in transportation like this incredible go fund campaign. i always support those efforts. the 2nd is that the taliban going back into power is under global bruning like never before. and i think actually trying to hold them to their word about having evolved since their prior rule in the

ninety's. they want to be inclusive. that they want to respect women's rights at least to the extent possible under their idea of serial law. again, not defending the towel every day. they are, they're the rebels that just defeated the empire. so you know, a part of me is cheering for them. but i think in terms of making sure that that international scrutiny is there with a sense of support and ability for the afghan people that they do not live under a regime that doesn't represent them. you know, i think after the last 2 years, ok, i don't the coca share of veterans support group. thanks so much for your time. good to get your insight today on what's going on and i'm going to stop. thank you . well, the british model has been slammed online for posting a photo, which she's wearing a bercher, was part of a promo for her new book on environmental and societal changes. a model, an activist lily, coal posted to images to instagram, which you can see here that relates to deleted one feature her in a book,

covering her face and body, and another revealing her face beneath. in the coins, she said she was embracing diversity on every level. the post came as cobble fell to the cell about without women actually speaking out about fear is the hard for rightfully stripped away. a number of posts challenges her. the model pointing out the taliban forces women to wear the book and i've got women have no choice but to live under these groups. rule of coal later. apologize saying she wasn't aware of the events unfolding and going on because she wasn't following the news. she added that she was heartbroken to learn what happens and that she's now looking for ways to help women. well, let's go live now to study, meet from the gloss to ship this this organization. thanks so much for joining us. good 7. the program today. do you think it was anything wrong in the cold posting those images? i mean, was it was it really broke your signal, like i some of all guess have suggested or did she have best interest at heart?

i mean, you can, you can see it how you want many connie this just because a context. so of issue i was raised in a very conservative community, so i would see it as something that's very, very oppressive. but i also don't expect anybody that hasn't been raised in that community to understand some ignorance is genuinely innocent. and why would, why would i expect to understand what is going on within those communities? she the young celebrity, i have no expectations of her whatsoever. and i think sometimes we can become very, very hysterical. and when we see something that we don't like and even even impression alone, you have mr. women adopting it from choice and miss women being forced to wear it.

if you have been raised in a community where that's been for you, you see as a, as a tool of oppression. if you are a western woman or western seminar to feels like your body is going objectified all of your life, you're going to see it as something that freezing from it. it represents different things to different women. and i think it doesn't help when we have hysteria on either side about it as i feel like i'm never going to i'm never going to be a supporter of the job. we're going to call for that matter because of my not bringing, but i, i don't respond with you. scary when i see somebody doing something that i don't like her just choose not to engage with. and coal said she was trying to embrace diversity. we've heard numerous scandals before about cultural appropriation, you know, on, on both sides of the atlantic with celebrities,

models criticized for taking similar action. do you think that should be commended, that she's trying to draw attention to, as you quite rightly sort of issue that impassioned. so many people on both sides of the bite. i don't think she had any real intentions. it sounds like she was quite innocently ignorant of a what the, her job and the cobb can mean in terms of pressing women. be of current circumstances. you know and see, i don't think she necessarily is engaging with political discussion that's going on around either the here job when it's been a golf internationally or nationally to expect everybody to be aware of everything is unrealistic. and i think sometimes those of us are playing against something. we can become overly zealous in august, east and expectations that everybody should know and understand everything about

this thing that we're focusing on is unrealistic. and i do think that in terms of diversity for the sake of publicity, well, i think she's learned the error of her ways for doing that because it clearly didn't work. did it? yeah. data sutton generated to control us, you online, and obviously she lily, part of the criticisms she received was the context of a post, which was the events in dentist on in cobol with thing right now. she said she wasn't aware of that. she wasn't what's in the news, some of how hard to believe just on the subject of what's. busy going on in afghanistan, how worry to you about the face of women and girls on the future in the country? i'm very worried and in spanish on what we're saying right now with people trying to flee. and i fear that women are the ones that are going to be left behind the most vulnerable in women,

women and children are going to be left behind. those that have the capacity to leave and believe that they are going to be left behind. and already we're seeing the impact that we're seeing women crying out for my son, his son already imprisoned in their homes. and in that book, because in the push that jobs were already thing, i am pretty worried. and i have to say also in terms of co her saying she's not engaging with the news. i know a lot of people have stopped watching the news, particularly in the last 18 months because of how it makes them feel, the hysteria, the continual hysteria that is being run all the time that it's being created. very difficult to engage with the news right now. and i think just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it's not true, we can take what somebody says and trust them. and now that they are telling the

truth, we can decide just because they've done something that we disagree with, that we're going to assume that every human they say is a lie. and i think that's very unkind, right? study i made you also shirts. this is organization. thanks so much for your time. you're naughty, international. great. have you on the program with me now? no, julius president because africa is now in danger of becoming the new frontline for global terror though. some believe the warranty for winds down with the u. s departure from afghanistan. the threat was supposed to address burns fiercely on my continent, africa as the new front line of global militancy, or parts of africa have been struggling with a terror. serge, it's various medicine groups take hold on the continents. it's resulted in millions fleeing their homes. while last year alone, terror groups claimed the lives of more than 12000 people on the continent. now,

unless the war and the taliban strive could have a knock on effect in africa, defeat for us imperialism, and began to stand as most definitely and certainly emboldened the religious zealots in africa. and now there is a danger that with this defeat of us imperialism in ghana, stan that the religious zealots will be energized. that is to say, the tele bond is not arguing that they defeated the super power. speaking of the united states of america. and that will help them to attract adherents and not only in south asia, but in africa as well. this is a very serious scenario to contemplate a lot of the news for the south. they shoot for news use queues coming away in just a few moments time. we're back in 30 minutes with the latest join us again that