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with dom action or 10 senior, what's going underground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up in the show palestine is still the issue as hospital schools and information itself is targeted by u. k. u, as in the you nation weaponry and gaza, we speak to legend refill, make a john pilcher about the double standards of power and the depth of honest journalism from palestine to china. all the small coming up in today's special edition of going underground. palestine is still the issue, the title of a c cool, 20. 0, to fill my legendary journalist and filmmaker, john build yours, a sentiment, seemingly unheeded bicycles, mainstream media, even when the offices of nature nation journalists bombed by the u. k. u. s. a. u armed israeli military, joining me from sidney is john pilcher. john,

thanks so much for coming on the show. you said the palestine is the issue in the last century and in this century, how does it link everything from war and peace atrocities, imperialism information to neoliberalism? will power find the center of, of a great imperial act. i've made 2 films called palestine is still issue 28 years apart. i may make another one. it will be cold, pell assigned to still leave true. because palestine, unless we understand the atrocity being imposed on palestine and the right of people to defend themselves, the right of people to resist against an external outside force of force. but it becomes more extreme by the moment and i'm talking about israel. they will never understand how the world works has been

a whole attempt to make hamas, the central issue of the reporting. and that's nonsense. hamas is a peculiar demon. in fact, hum, hum, often it's military wing, a part of a resistance, a resistance, but was provoked by these railway is the real team. and this is his israel, but it's not simply israel. i mean, this is as much a british and american war against palestine as it is. and israeli one, you know, just a few years ago, the chief of the defense staff in britain. so nick carter visited israel and between himself and senior israeli strategist, they draw up, drew up basically a secret plan,

a partnership on military partnership between israel and britain. in fact, that goes much deeper than that it's, it's just, it's an integration of the 2 military forces where you have israelis being trained in, in ordinance design in britain ordinance design as bombs and british soldiers is being trained in, in with, with, with units that have been as p d f. describe it as palestinian tested. so the, the, the integration of britain and especially the united states with, which gives israel $10000000.00 a day is, is complete. so it is in one sense, it's a british european american war against the people of palestine who are

doing one thing. and that is refusing, exercising the moral and legal right to resist a brutal occupation. britain says it's a friend of israel, you know, the 2 sides ism that he's mandated on broadcasting restrictions as it were here. because obviously when you're talking about a draw cities, as we know, israel says the responsibility lies with hamas. it is using civilians as human shields among journalists, schools, and holmes. and they gave fair warning and dominant grab the foreign secretary here says the u. k. condemn mass attacks on civilians and reaffirms israel's right to self defense. well, right, find out sure. you had to say that, but there are not 2 sides. and actually the very notion of to size is obscene. it's like people looking up a german bombs during the plate since i got but there's 2 sides here. you

know, the, the, the, the palestinians have crude rockets and when they're accused of indiscriminate chelly. yes. the rocker, so crude. but on the other hand, israel is doing discriminant targeting it's, it's, it's, it's deliberate plea attacking as a toys on civilian targets. and we have the spectacle, the other day of a high rise building in which the, the, the media, almost all palestinian, certainly non western media. we, we have the spectacle of this building being blown up by the israelis with the nonsensical story that it was harboring her mouth. it was and, and all those journals, there are witnesses that it's like the p b a report to germany, po, and who talks about a war between israel then her mouth,

bowen knows by wrong, it's an attack on unoccupied people by the occupier, israel backed by great powers, do you think least journalists, you mentioned jeremy bo in the middle east, editor of the state mandated b, b c. who had to apologize previous they're being pro palestine in his reporting. do you think they understand that firing stung grenades into the alex and mosque on the equivalent of christmas eve is like doing that to the vatican on christmas eve . i mean, it was either it's a bit like that, bombing the vatican, or sending the soldiers into the vatican. what if they don't know, what are they doing out there? how many do you don't actually have to be in the holy land to understand that the provocation, the attack on palestinians and the, the attack on, on, on the holy a small scan in, in, in islam was entirely unprovoked. and the,

the fact that, and hum off a warn the israelis stop these attacks on people in jerusalem. stop them now or we will resist. and so they resisted as every people has a right to do so. western media, you know, where of a garza? yes, there are a lot of palestinian journalists risking their lives. and muslim journalists and arabic speaking journalists. but we're all the high paid western journalists. it looks to me like a boy called gaza. you think there was a time when journalists tried hard to get into guys are obviously the john, this is saying they don't expensive these a but it israel that actually prevents them and doesn't give them the positives. and i should say, israel obviously says there were rocks at alex moss can to israel says they give warnings, although that's disputed by some of the children who've seen that parents being

killed. well, we know that israel is ally machine and it's been proven to be that. but i think we do have to understand the responsibility in britain. it had the responsibility of not only the president government, but the labor party is part of that of installment labor party, which allowed pro israel groups to, to direct the policies of the labor party. but in effect, support this. so time when you have the, the shadow foreign secretary saying that to criticize israeli atrocities is anti semitic than wherein, wherein louis carol well really the b, b, c, had a piece of to some of the atrocities in the past week thing. but why is it all these protest as we saw that some of the largest projects in the world here in

london? but i know they've been all around the world. why is it they don't protest about the syrian government or against the, according to western sources, genocide, committed by china. and we're going to talk about china and pot to what, why are these protests about palestine at all? why don't they protest against benefee? why don't they protest to the phrase and government about the genocide against the indigenous people? why don't they protest to the us government about the dozens of countries that is overthrown as about the, the, the great numbers of people but is, but is whose death it is. cause 10 is dispossession. it is cause it's, it's, it's a banal argument. people are protesting about an atrocity that is going on before our eyes and we're allowed to see that

atrocity because of some of the bravest jo, unless i know i know some of these people, photographers, cameraman, people who's building we saw a blowing up in one of my films, the boy you don't see there is riffing sequence from which and israeli sniper guns down the palestinian camera man who's lying wounded on the ground. and then they continue to shoot as his legs. he within so seriously wounded. he probably wouldn't walk again. but that's the kind of bravery. but these people in most the palestinians, i have to say mostly palestinians. the high paid bbc people and others are just not there. now, yes, it may be very difficult. the israelis who who, who's domain they seem to cover very well,

won't let them in. why don't i get it regardless? they are in the tunnel is that they keep telling us about, from egypt. congresswoman to lay in the united states palestinian extraction arguably fell into a trap. trying to attack come on, but the alexandria cause the co test is rising star. the democrat body said that apartheid states are not democracies. tony blinking, someone who supported the destruction, it ended up like that of africa's riches per capita company country. libya said, said he wasn't convinced about the a p. algebra rebuilding being full of m. s. operatives. is it changing in the united states? if it's not changing in london, decide to change. i don't know if it's a change, you know, biden or no bama were in 2014,

during the last israeli killing test on palestine. they were killing something like an average of 11 children a day, and yet a bomber and body arrange the re supply of precision weapons to israel biden is now the president. i don't see the difference. the only difference, the only resistance is, is the resistance. that's what's different the of in this attack there is a real resistance, and there is that should be matched by people going beyond the government, beyond the parliaments, and going into the streets. that's the only way, whether the whether or not that succeeds, i don't know. but there is no other way. you suggested a link between those pictures of, of atrocities coming from palestine and the british army. and the, and the british state has the israel,

i know they've been accused of killing jonas in the past, borrowed from the nato playbook when it famously blew up belgrade tv, and you get sloppier in this destruction of the, the big tower and gaza housing, media organizations it's a lot more dangerous now when, when, when i was a war correspond, but in particularly in se, asia, because now your side that is the side representing the people whose newspaper, old broadcasting organization st. you are aiming for you, your target and but at the very least, these palestinian cameraman, photographers, and journalists, they are targets. but every, all journalists now targets go into abroad to church and london into the corner that pays tribute to journalists who died. and in covering covering was

and there they are. the names, the names are listed in the last few years, but indicate the trend that the u. s. in particular doesn't give a damn why the journalists feel whether you have a line you're hanging around your neck that says journalists, you get shot. the israelis of course, not only don't give a damn, they don't even consider it. you'll get short period. john, i'll stop you. the more from john pill, you're up to the break when we discuss double standards from china to the torture of julianna. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk

me welcome back to part 2 of our special interview with john bill jer. in part, when we talked about the atrocities taking place in garza, the country currently holding the presidency of the un security council is china, which failed to persuade joe biden to issue a resolution on the current slaughter. the people's republic demonized by nato, is the subject of john pill, june 2016 film, the coming war on china. this is the distinguished historian. shouldn't theodore h. white, an advisor to the white house around the wake of speaking in the 19 sixty's. perhaps china is too vast to be governed by mercy, yet a chinese mine craves order. they must be brought to recognise they are the biggest factor in the world disorder. and we must untangle

the madness of their mind. the most difficult task in the world is to reach the minds of men who what white was really complaining about was the loss of a china that the imperial west could dominate a clip from john bilges, the coming war in china. there is boris johnson deploy britton's h m as elizabeth aircraft carrier to confront china. i'm still here with john pilcher, who joins me from sidney in australia. well, of israel is britain strategic, military partners we're told in a to a nation media day after day that our enemies to our national security, russia and china, china holding the rotating presidency of the un security council. you said the coming war on china, out of you noticed the difference here is god's palestine with china, apparently trying to force the issue with a statement from the un security council to go overseas for against the wishes of the united states. the whole turn,

the whole campaign against china and the campaign against palestine. one in the same thing, it is about control is about imperial powers such a certain time in their history threatened they feel threatened. they're not actually threatened. they have threatened in economic terms in those they may, there they are, economic prosperity is receding. but so in order to correct this, they play me with the prospect of war. it's a terribly dangerous game. when i made becoming more against china and that was in 2016, i wrote that title almost says a provocation. if i was doing that, phil, now i would say it's a reality in

a few short years. china from being in many sense as a strategic ally of the west. certainly in the so called war against terrorism, it was and it's a relationship of trade and currencies. this was a peaceful, a peaceful relationship and a change with the so called private to asia. and what we have now is which has never reported. and this is very important because it's basically a cy ops war, a propaganda war. there are 400 active faces surrounding china. ah, but us faces. they start here in australia with probably the one of the most important, a pine gap, all the way up through the philippines, thailand,

korea and japan. so that we have bases now which are primed for nuclear attack in an hour. and a korea pointed to china, something like 5 or 600 miles away. that's the kind of provocation that way, living with day by day. now, that's almost never news. that is the dangerous stage that we're even leaving us in a stage when they call b mistake or accident. and it becomes a nuclear war. the try now doesn't, in military terms, china, it doesn't threaten anybody. it's made it. it's made it very clear that water is interested in, is business and trading in, in,

in, in development, in, in making its own people. awe prosperous in a way that they have never known you. when you're in china, you have a history of like a presence. the history of trying to ride through the 19th century as a colonial impoverished surveyed of the west. they feel that they call it the, the century of humiliation that's over and the spin. and it's been, it's over in a very spectacular way, because china has risen to the point where anything the west can do. it can do and often do it better. almost half of all a chinese coven vaccine is going to other countries that's indicative of

china's development policies. this is, this is the beginning of a world based on development, not, not. you know, that doesn't mean to say that a great power itself doesn't have present difficulties for all of us, but the difficulties are much diminished if that great power is not a military aggressor. there's only one military aggressor in the world, and that is the us backed by u k, back by it's vessel state australia. and the reason for that is that the u. s. has realized that losing its economic dominance. but what it does have or thinks it has his military dominance. it's a very dangerous time. well, you know the news here that we get. i mean human rights watch amnesty calling claims of human rights abuses. engine. jang,

true. we and use every day about the the oppression of oligarchs. actually in hong kong, britain, upgrading its nuclear weapons and has sent a mess. elizabeth, it's the black sea protecting us from russia and it's headed for the south china sea. what do you think goes through the minds of the soldiers on board h m, as elizabeth, the 2nd. and boris johnson here, when he sends our aircraft carrier, they're doing a pandemic. well, they will have been told a story and they can hardly be blamed for what is going through their minds, frankly, with an aircraft carrier that has cost billions and who's a, a craft by courtesy of the united states and those aircraft work very well. anyway, it would be in a very black sense, be funny if it wasn't so serious. there's no reason to confront china in the south trying to say most of the stories, adverbs in zang, about the way goes ah, out,

now propaganda, without evidence, without evidence. in fact, in certain, jang, there was a problem with the i think it's the, what the call the east turkestan, freedom movement, which the us state department described as one of the most extreme terrorist organizations. so china has a terrorism problem in, in the province. whether whether or not china is being able to handle secessionist problem, the same that the soviet union has had, and many other countries of had but there is no evidence whatsoever. but there is the kind of suffering that has worthy of the description, genocide, that term genocide i should remind you,

came from the lips of my pump, who described himself with ally. and most of the so called evidence has come from a researcher now associated with the jamestown foundation in washington called adrian sans if you look at things is all his so called documentation, it's documentation used by amnesty and many others. it's fraudulent. he denies that . obviously we do invite him on the program and people can see our interview with a week counsel bus and on the show and our youtube channel. i mean, you mentioned earlier about these bases around china. i mean, obviously track and trace of a cove. it is a problem here in britain. we don't seem to be able to track and trace corona, virus infection, but the, the seems to be a larger number of bases that tracking and tracing all her every

moves. just tell me what pain gap is. what part pine gap was set up by the c i a, in the near alice springs, it was set up in the late ninety's sixty's. for many years it was denied. the stranger and government denied that it was an american base. they described as a shared facility. it wasn't, i don't think the kind it's a completely american run facility with astray and employers, but as the straight intelligence and us intelligence is completely integrated. that's not a problem. is it certainly one of the most important basis in the world. and edward snowden, in his released document showed it to be a base that spied right across asia. right across china. right across

russia. a major spy operation. not a defensive operation. aspire operation. so at the moment it probably is the major spy base on, on, on china, or, and all the other imagine the enemies of, of the united states. and it was, of course, julian assigned you, helped snowden avoid the clutches of the united states, perhaps ga, just very quickly. what have you heard about what is happening in the garage case? biden doubling down. it seems on a 175 years for the world's most famous journalist. there was some wishful thinking for a while, but the bible and administration may not carry on trumps pursuit of julianna songs. it is. and it's now heading for the high court in london,

where it'll probably happen in, in the autumn pap september, october in which the high court will decide whether there is any credibility in the us, appealing against this decision to let truly in go my own senses and i feel slightly nervous about making this prediction. it's julie and will be set free. i certainly hope so because he embodies, he embodies the very resistance that we've been talking about in this program. it's the resistance of information, of transparency, of, of a whole moral purpose of resisting the forces of oppression. ah julian himself,

and his case exemplifies lat. that's why what happens to him is so important to all of us. that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for brand new season. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see on the next season of going undergrad. ah, now we have using reds. i just heard that it was a healthy alternative to figure out how do we trust tobacco companies with their message that these new products are actually going to reduce? are these, these are making the tobacco, and course the

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