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in the me a welcome to worlds apart, hard times to always bring out the bass and the worse than people and their governments. i mean, this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individual countries and the world as a whole. rewarding. those who practiced and punishing those who only preached, but it is a potent or carrying up put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville, lydia silver. mister president is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us by. oh, my pleasure. excited. well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the koran virus because this is

something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona virus pandemic. but putting present bolts in all right, aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with gilbert 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem, of the heel. the problem with brazil that our president does not receive back because i am so medicine of, you know, those who understand the meaning and severity of the cove at 19 pandemic, paid for the president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he

does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus. of course, he did not believe in isolation or in wearing mask. you know, my and i need some more for my you will if you come back to him, it doesn't matter where the one person dies. 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths so far we'd be 54 because of his disrespect for science. for him. i think our president is almost genocidal. or because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its misguided not to why the can we handle that for killing my battery about the authority. he does not believe in the need to humanize the government. you know, for that up, you know, not, he did not define protocols. he woke either he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made your president will you never means words talking about present vol,

from arrow and i'm sure you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still, harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in hand? so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic, then they have to face little q d to who is the 15. i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls either point because also nora has been dropping deeply in the polls with the vehicle when they asked respondents where did they approve the government? many times they present only be om says, all excellent, and oil and regular. i mean to what? a lot of what you when they ask if the government is excellent good or terrible,

then it's different to a home in a given. don't be no book. you still have afraid gargoyle scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. yeah. really for the both and i don't count polls confirm that i would beat him in the election, split my oath in the 1st round. and in the runa, brazilian, people behave according to the information they receive, was a patient or in many right wing people in brazil doing well scenario gathered around him, members of local militia groups, people who a fascist, a few people who are in favor of military dictatorships from people who are nazis or there's only 2 very familiar that have many former military officials. if you have a pool, he does have supporters, which maybe $25.00 or 35 percent to $65.00 or 75 percent are still against him. be prepared when that is why i'm sure that democracy will when you felt their democracy will win the elections. i 2022 voice in the print. your voice. now

speaking about october 2022. you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you've provided enough hands to expect your run for the presidency. commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't. how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2020 to differ from the challenges of 2003, when you secure your 1st presidential term or permanent, you do to kill no, you don't put a box on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections, probably because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021 will have been the vaccine up to the home button. we are asking some taxi for the population. i think the particles are only guaranteed to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal. want to get as vaccine security luggage. we're demanding,

emergency aid for the population, but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i got the noise. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country. who is the 1st. we must recover that brazilian people's quality of life, of health and well being. we started the full, we can think about 2022 boys. as he sat, brazil has the world stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead, and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian maid vaccine split need be siding, inherent risk and serious defects, even though internationally split me is recognized as one of the safest vaccines.

do you see any traces of politics in that decision? ill tell you what it is. i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including sputnik v d. i actually had conversations with carol demetrius who is responsible for the fun which sponsored vaccine production and russia bill for the good for, you know, i've probably got sold up. i've seen that often. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius. besides the former president of visa and governors of the p t party, what do you do? your typical but including one from the northeast region of the unit, they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders for it. so we noticed that we felt the seems to be problem with our production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, yuki, all of you already, any people as suspicious that former president from recommended proven there is

documentary evidence of it going to put a president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine of a few off in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solve the vaccination problem a long time ago. can you stop me? go over the president does not take any measures. the truth is that he is under pressure and i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connected the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the conversation between prison balls and our president trump. but it was already under

president bob in the us department of health and human services in its annual report in march of 2021 boasted about having used its diplomatic muscle to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian cove at $900.00 vaccine, which it described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in the country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal brazil to succumb to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the pooper julio? the brazilian people certainly want the russian vaccine for good afternoon. i feel

the national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil. they have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit all necessary documentation because people in brazil many to vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't give a few things to me of honor that the vaccine is about phil could not make interests . i'm that is an idea. logical war. but after beasley, the us defend the american companies and the u. k. defenders, the british companies. what there's all them in brazil does not need to worry about defending the us to defend the need to worry about the health of the 2 big needs to worry about the health of 250000000 inhabitants. i will be very l. u last by the

american vaccine. and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing the interests and health of brazilians. that must be championed by the brazilian government and not the u. s. government ref, i will do the cobra. by the way, since the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this in several interviews in the us. germany, france and u. k. probably might, but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world to be vaccinated who bought the feeling well in that. and there has been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove,

everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest countries, the 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines that they actually need that needed. and they continue forward to affording those vaccines rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of little ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only caring about their own political considerations. or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that really need to bring down this objection to sovereign countries. critical said to go by you before. good. brazil is not against the u. s. w,

the visual, but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by 55, president putin also says he wants good relations with the us. if you have a phone call that wants to be handled, get him a call back. if he wants to have good relations with all countries who are compared to however, the us once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview, resident biden's said that the us who wants to be a beacon for the globe. if you don't have all the world doesn't do no, no, because then you'll have all the well can really want all countries to be fraternal on you to develop partnerships. go through, must be a sovereign country, will be about just like russia by china and the us. you will be told we don't want a shooter. we don't need a to to know from the book. you go seem to work for,

you know, that's why i've defended a change in global governance and we must change the un security council. i sure do . we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948 and we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, the b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us, so the, the remote people and segments participating here, but also eliminate visa, right? because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father. the me now we have easily read.

i just heard that it was a healthy alternative to figure out how do we trust tobacco companies with their message that these new products are actually going to reduce these cigarettes or making the tobacco. of course join me every thursday on the alex, silent show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the me i you mention to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now and your government when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power 10, giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now as bigger it's bigger than

it was back in early 2, thousands. my or the abroad? it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt and that i would have many problems in recovering the country that open up. you know, if we did recover brazil condo bishop, when i left the government, the economy was growing up to 7 percent a year. what have you? brazil did not have any reserves. when i took office in 2003, 3, and we had $170000000000.00 in international reserves. when i left a telephone, i could have shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult. maybe exactly because of this. i will be able to fix brazil view during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil. because you know i v

d i was calling you because of the conferences on culture, on health. how would you conser curity on indigenous people will be black people for the naval. there was 64 conferences. and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy . and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty. we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level manager. if no one will fail for this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by pick up when you off the people, if you will read and the people help you by participating, it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and that we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride really being brazilian, who the favorite of a little while we are on the issue of employment. i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as

a shoe shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life mill? well, yes, i did. indeed shine shoes on the coffee yet because you know, well, we are no body for. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with them sausage and a soda. like you went there was that was what i had for lunch. do you meet the theater? because you had to buy even appreciated, shining shoes and my new car for a long time at home when there was no food bed, i mother spare. yes him i would say if you wait tomorrow things will be better and watch another. and that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe while leticia lack, if it causes commitment, will it go my culver?

since i don't have any personal commitment before i commitment is to try to help brazilian people and working people over to improve their lives. by february, you know, by the much brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and probably love music and dancing the moon love to work phone and respect about. yeah, it will be worth the this is the country i want to see coming back. go carol, vote, but that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can, i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. and the, and the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with the

american influences. wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you envisage? resist poster v, the united states? very well. i did not accuse the us proper us. we have proof table. we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice will be made to be 54 will be hand from prosecutors work into brazilian companies to condemn liberty by the new funding for the federal w show and deep down economy to be what was it that was the increasing president, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd, tried to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery and the 21st century could get into some self level. no, no my would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not meddle in our affairs? maybe boys on december, the 10th 2000 to 2. i was invited by president bush. no,

i wasn't even in office. the bush was terrified. she wanted to terrorism. get in to get into and he needed to invade iraq. you all yet up if you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war by cuba. and i hold president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bullshit that i didn't know saddam hussein me boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. i could cover those rebuking iraq had never done anything against brazil. glenda. my walk is not against the iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by default, the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else impede economically. milk is wrong. americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have to go su 430. to prevent

you both, we want brothers and sisters show you our voting. so that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career. but you can, we must not be dominated. how do you know i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government? well, this is how we will deal with the u. s. but present all a do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own pass and development? because as you pointed out. c in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated latin america as if it were that own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over in fear?

oh no. it's not up to the us, me to allow us to do anything with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's a pretty good deal. i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina, christina kitchen argentina, job michelle butler in chile, water, rafael, career in ecuador, and evil morales in bolivia. america before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the coast well and expelled the f t a and we created the sore and sell you and we created the bricks, food. why organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries? families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty, and international protagonist proven would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard

. i will probably, the problem is that you might brazil has a ruling class, an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us. government, as i told you, with a start, i have a diversity back to the u. s. and for the american people, paper bill of america will be billable when they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china got on the life so that we can be suffering in a multi polar world war with peace and come paula. many books and very little weapon. pretty bad with a lot of culture and little violence of heart. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you're had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably

because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kid or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read always for a long time. i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to call my choke, that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition corporate winner and government. no very little. you know, bring, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education. with that. i learned a lot my view up in the home and i became what i am through my struggles in life.

up in the week. of course, not part of if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked, one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon 2 pm, but a few what i learned a lot, traveling all over brazil by you. do you know, i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do, you know, i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat i car by bus or so i learned a lot by talk when i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things i don't know, i can, and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, it presents always been great, great on i talking to you. thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you santa and thank you for watching hope this year again, next week on was a part of the

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