the me i welcome to all the parts hard times, always bring out the bass and the worse than people and their governments. i mean, this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individual countries and the world as a whole. rewarding those who practice and punishing those who only preached, but it is a potent or scary enough to put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville live the silver mister president is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us by. oh, my pleasure. excellent. well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the koran and virus because

this is something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona virus pandemic. but putting present bolts in all right. aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with, with 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it, on the contrary, made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem of the heel. the problem with brazil is that our president does not respect science on medicine. you know, those who understand the meaning and vanity of the cove at 19 pandemic paid for president. not just vaccines when he could have done so do,

do. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus. of course he does not believe in isolation or in wearing mask. you know, my and i won't be the common for my you will. if you come back to him, it doesn't matter where the one person dies. all 165000 people die, which is the number of deaths so far that the fear of because of his disrespect for science. i think our president is almost genocidal. because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its mis guidance. you cannot. why can we handle that for killing my battery about the authority? he does not believe in need to humanize the government. you know, for that up, you don't know if he did not define protocols. he woke up there, he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made your president will you never means words had talking about present vol from arrow,

and i'm sure you me, you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still, harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in him that so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic? then they have to face new judy to do, who is the 15th? i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls either point because also nora has been dropping deeply in the post with the vehicle when they asked respondents whether they approve of the government. many times they present only be says all excellent or good. and regular, i mean to what a lot of what you, when they ask if the, his excellent good or terrible, it's different to

a home in 15 don't be no book. you still have afraid that boil scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. you had really for the, for an adult current polls confirm that i would beat him in the election, split my both in the 1st round. and in the runa, any brazilian people behave according to the information they receive, was a patient or many right wing people in brazil during bell scenario gathered around him, members of local militia groups, people who a fascist, a few people who are in favor of military dictatorships and if i'm able, who are nazis or there's only 2 very familiar that many former military officials, if you have a pool, but he does have supporters, which maybe 25 or 35 percent preferred to 65 or 75 percent are still against him. be prepared when that is why i'm sure that democracy will when democracy will win the elections. i 2022 voice in the future voice. now speaking about october

2022. you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you provided enough him to expect your ron for the presidency commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't. how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003. when you security are 1st presidential term or permanent? you do to kill? no. you don't put a box on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections problem because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021. now this time we're going to go back to the battery and we're asking some vaccine for the population safety board because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and the country back to

normal. want to get his vaccine security luggage. very weird amounting emergency aid for the population, but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i gather noise. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country. who is the 1st. we must recover that brazilian people's quality of life, of health and well being. we start a ball before we can think about 2022 boys. as he sat, brazil has the world stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead, and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian made vaccines put, need to be citing inherent risk series defects. even though international student, me is recognized as one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics

and decision? ill tell you what it is. i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including sputnik v. i actually had conversations with carol dmitri, of course, who is responsible for the fun which sponsors vaccine production and russia bill for the good company got sold of athena wilson. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius, besides the former president of the visa and governors of the p t party, what do you do your to go, but including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders released for a truck. so we never did, we found the seems to be a problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, yuki, all of you already, any people are suspicious that form president from recommended pro. and there is

documentary evidence of it for the president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine of a few or in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solve the vaccination problem a long time ago. can you still go over the president does not take any measures. the truth is that he is under pressure. i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil paper, as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connect to the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the

conversation between present balls and our present trumpet. it was already under president by them that the us department of health and human services in its annual report in march of 2021 boasted about having youth in diplomatic mass all to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian over $900.00 vaccine, which he described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in that country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal in brazil to come to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues? or the boy who, but if you leave the brazilian people the want,

the russian vaccine for go graphs. and i feel the national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries with can be approved in brazil. they have to view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit a formal, necessary documentation because people in brazil many to vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't have a few, not yet seems to me exxon or that the vaccine is about it could not make interests . i'm. it is an idea, logical war. but after you leave, the us defend the american companies and the u. k. defendants, the british companies, what there's all them in stock. but brazil does not need to worry about defending the us to defend the need to worry about the health of the 2 big needs to worry

about the health of its 250000000 inhabitants. i would be very, there's l, you must buy the american vaccine view and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing for the interests of health of brazilians. that must be championed by the brazilian government and keep if they're not the u. s. government, i will do the over the year by the way, since the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this in several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. probably my, but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset that people all over the world don't be vaccinated. who bought them to be feeling well. and there have been a lot of talk about solar direct and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove,

everybody was out for themselves and it was the richest country. that's 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more bachelors than they actually need that needed, and they continue forward to affording those vaccines rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of lead a ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part time, they seem to be only carrying about their own political considerations or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that really need to bring down this objection to sovereign countries or have to go buy a, b, forget a brazil is not against the u. s. w,

the visual. but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by 55, president putin also says he wants good relations with us. my boy hello phone calls and wants to be a handshake. get him. if he wants to have a good relations with all countries who are compared to however, the u. s. once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be a beacon for the globe. if you don't have all the world doesn't do no, no, because then you have all the well, you know, want all countries to be fraternal you to develop partnerships the property. brazil must be a sovereign country. will be about just like russia, china, and the us. you will be, we don't want a shooter. we don't need need you to know,

come get the book. you go seem to look for, you know, that's why i've defended a change in global governance. and we must change the un security council. i sure do. we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948 and we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us, so the, the remote people and segments participating here, but also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you do go buy enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father. the me driven,

daydreaming shaped interest in me dares thing. we dare to ask me. oh yeah, you know, when you go to deal with a 6 day marathon of creativity, a multi cultural festival and the biggest variety is the competition for a few days. palm became a russian cultural 28 categories. ahh

from the violinist piano, to be honest with parenting and data protection, not yours just throwing up over the water. i mean, you're not there. if you could get some, is there a way for them to be here? they filter when read in or context the delta gains only take the very best of the best buy i the me or i you mentioned to 1000000

brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power 10, giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now as bigger is bigger than it was back in early 2, thousands and my go to it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt and that i would have many problems in recovering the country over of, you know, if we did recover brazil condo there, show up when i left the government. the economy was growing at the 7 percent a year. you brazil did not have any reserves when i took office in 2003, 3. and we had a $170000000000.00 in international reserves when i left. for now could be a shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult. maybe. exactly because of this. i will be able to fix brazil out of your pocket. during my

administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil. because because you know, i v deal with color, but because of the conferences on culture, on health, how would you conser curity would have on indigenous people will be black. people will be naval. there was 64 conferences why 2? and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty . we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level manager, or the one that was awful. this is how we brought her to a barren desert region by pick up when you asked the people, if you will read and the people help you by participating. it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party and we can bring back the new joy

and happiness and pride really being brazilian, who do february a little while we are on the issue of employment i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as a shoe. shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life? no. well, oh yes, i did indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body frog meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with some sausage and a soda like you went there was that was what i had for lunch, do you meet the theater because you had to buy even appreciated, shining shoes and my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food? my mother spare. yes. i would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better and watch another,

and that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe. well, leticia lack of causes, commitment. will you go, mike oliver? since i don't have any personal commitment before i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over to improve their lives. by february, you know, by the month brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and probably love music and dancing you move. we love to work the phone and respect about yeah, it will be one of the, this is the country i want to see coming back. go to vote. that's why i work so hard here. nope, i can, i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders

around the world. and the, and the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with the american influences. wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you in this is reveals, poster v, the united states vision work very well. i did not accuse the us bravo. we have proof. most people, we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice, but i mean, it would be 50 for b and from prosecutors working tested brazilian companies to condemn me. you know, want to know for the final w show and deep down economy to be, what was it that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd. tried to fetch had made the greatest oil discovery in the 21st century in the sub cell.

clare. no, no my would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs? maybe boys on december, the 10th 2000 to 2. i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office. the bush was terrified. she wanted to terrorism, get in to get it, and he needed to invade iraq. you all yet up if you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war, but a cuban di hold president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bo, she could, i didn't help know saddam hussein me boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. pick up those review killer iraq had never done anything against brazil. glenda, my walk is not against the iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by default, the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else am beat. economically,

milk is wrong. you americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have the question for you to prevent you both, we want to be brothers and sisters show you our vote. so that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career, but we must not be dominated. i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government, well, this is how we will deal with the u. s. but president, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own past development? because as you pointed out. c in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated latin america as if it were that own backyard. do

you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over and say, oh no. it's not up to the us me to allow us to do with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's a pretty good deal. i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina, christina, kitchen argentina, job michelle busha and chilly walker. rafael career in ecuador, and evil morale is in bolivia, america, before it was the best moment for south america. we've strengthened the cosa well and expelled the t a as we created in a sore. and silicon view and we created the bricks. why organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries, families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty and

international protagonist pro. but it would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard . i will problem. the problem is brazil has a ruling class, an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us. government. as i told you with a start, i have a diversity back to the us and for the american people paper bill of america will be billable. they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china. got don't be noise so that we can be sovereign in a multi polar world war with peace and come paula many books and very little weapon talk with you about with a lot of culture and little violence. talk about it. and my last question to you,

i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, you're had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kids or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read always for a long time. i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to quote on my choke that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition corporate winner and government know very

little. you know, i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education. what i did, i learned a lot my view up and you moved and i became what i am through my struggles in life . up in the week with an apartment. if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i work, one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon 2 pm, but a few what i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by you. i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do, you know, impede board. i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat i car by bus or so i learned a lot by talk when i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things i don't know. i keep and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, it presents always been great, great on i talking to you. thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i

hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center, and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was a part ah, in the me i the the, the, the, the annex painted upside of the pandemic kenya's

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