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and the worst and people in the government. i mean this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individuals. countries and the world as a whole, rewarding those who practiced and punishing those who only preached but is a potent or carry enough to put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville, lulu the silver mr. president is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us by. oh, my pleasure, exxon. and. well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the koran virus because this is something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your success are dealt with the corona virus pandemic, but putting present bolton,

all right aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with corporate 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary, made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem, i do, but i feel the problem with that our president does not respect science or medicine . you know, those who understand the meaning and severity of the cove at 19 pandemic, paid for the president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona, virus, or female. he does not believe in isolation or, and wearing masks. and you know, mike and i need some more for my, you will feel, come back to him. it doesn't matter whether one person dies, 165000 people die,

which is the number of deaths. so far, we to be $54.00 because of his disrespect for science. i think our president is almost genocidal trouble because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its mis guidance. you cannot, why the can we cannot see that for kill my find your doctor thought he does not believe in the need to humanize the government. you know, for the pin or not. he did not define protocol sco vicky what either he did not gather scientist or state and governor's foyce if he did not make any of the decisions that a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made your president will. you never means words had talking about pres, involved from arrow, and i'm sure you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion polls, he's approval rating. still, harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in hand?

so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed the view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic that they have to face full to do? who is the 15? i would rather not get into this subject of numbers and polls point because both scenario has been dropping steeply in the post with the video when they ask respondents whether they approve the government. many times they present only the om says, all excellent and oil, good. and regular, i mean to what was your view when they ask if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in a given don't be know, pull the keys. don't have afraid that boil scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. yeah. really for the both on i don't count polls confirm that i would beat him in the election, split my both in the 1st round and in the runoff. brazilian people behave according

to the information they receive was a patient or in many right wing people in brazil doing both scenarios gathered around him, members of local militia, groups of people who, a fascist, a few stuff. people who are in favor of military dictatorships for people who are nazis, or there's only 2 very familiar bad of many former military officials, if you have a pool. but he does have supporters, which maybe $25.00 or 35 percent to $65.00 or 75 percent are still against him to be prepared. but when that is why i'm sure that democracy will when you felt the democracy will win the elections on 2022. even though you've reached the voice . now speaking about october 2022, you haven't confirmed that decisively, but i think you provided enough him to expect your ron for the presidency commack toby is 2022 if that comes to pass or even if it doesn't,

how do you think the presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003. when you secure with your 1st presidential term permit, you do to kill no. you don't put a box on our family to. i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections problem because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021. not the stuff we have in the, the vaccine up to the home button. we are asking vaccine for the population because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal, want to get his vaccine security luggage, demanding emergency aid for the population, but i got an unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i got a lawyer, we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned

very strongly in the country. who is the 1st we must recover the brazilian people's quality of life, of health and well being responsible for we can think about 2022 boys as he sat. brazil has the world's stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dab. and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian maid vaccines put, needs to be citing inherent risk, serious defects, even though internationally student me is recognized as one of the safest vaccines . do you see any traces of politics in that decision? ill tell you what it is. i want us to have vaccines from the whole world, and they are from all countries, including sputnik v. i actually had conversations with kilo demitria from korea who

is responsible for the fun which sponsors vaccine production and russia bill for the good public household of our sina wilson. i took for former health ministers to talk with mr. demetrius to signed the former president of visa and governors of the p t party. what do you do? your total the including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get the vaccine and have orders for it for we did. we found the seems to be problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil, yuki all of your audio, any people as suspicious that former president trump recommended. and there is documentary evidence of it for the president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine or in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine. if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the

he would have spoken to president putin, paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone. and we would have solved the vaccination problem for a long time ago. when we go over the president does not take any measures, he can. the truth is that he is under pressure. i cannot approve it, but it is largely visible. there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there is also heavy criticism towards a chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connected the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the conversation between present balls and our present trumpet. it was already under president bob in the us department of health and human services in his annual report in march of 2021 boasted about having used in diplomatic muscle to quote, persuading brazil to reject a russian over $900.00 vaccine,

which he described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in that country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that okay, is it even the legal brazil to suck. com, to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues? or the pool, but if you leave the brazilian, people certainly want the russian vaccine for going. good afternoon. i feel national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries, can be approved in brazil for they have to leave the view, the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa kelly has determined many demands

and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit all necessary documentation because people in brazil need vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. you know, if you go to but you're not yet seems to me, examiner, but the axiom is about you couldn't make interests. i'm. it is an ideological war. but after, obviously the u. s. defends the american companies and the u. k. defendants, the british companies, what there's all them in stock. the brazil does not need to worry about defending the us. a little different of you need to worry about the health of the 2 big needs to worry about the health of 250000000 inhabitants. very, there's l, you must buy the american vaccine view and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban any other vaccines with scientifically proven quality care for providing the interests at health of brazilians. and that must be

championed by the brazilian government and not the us government f. i will do the cobra. by the way, since the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the document requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this in several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. by the maya. but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world be vaccinated who bought the feeling well. and there have been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very beginning of this been dining. but we all saw that when push came to shove, everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest country is the 1st and foremost contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines that they actually need it needed. and they continue to hoarding those vaccines rather than sharing it with the,

with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of little ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to hard times, they seem to be only carrying about their own political considerations. or crooks on a pe you i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that really need to bring down this objection at a sovereign countries. critical facebook, if you think going by you before brazil is not against the us response from the visual. but if you and we wanted to have partnerships and good relations with them by 55, the president putin also says he wants good relations with us. what boy le phone call them wants to be a handshake. get in with things he wants to have

a good relations with all countries stand up. when i compare to, however, the us once a world in which they are the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the u. s. wants to be a beacon for the globe here to fight all the world doesn't eat up the can you know, your heart or the old? well, can really want all countries to be fraternal on you, to develop partnerships, go through buffy. must be a sovereign country, will be about just like russia by china and that's in the us. it will be dug. we don't want a shooter. we don't need to to know from the book. you go seem to look for. that's why i've defended a change in global governance, and we must change the un security council who should we can't continue with the same security council that was set up in 1948 and we,

we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council here, the b i m f, and the world bank must all be remodeled with the remote people and segments participating. people also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go further about it, they will come, come in to fight my father. the me

ah, me for me or i you mentioned this to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government when he were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power 10, giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now is bigger? it's bigger down, it was back in early 2, thousands am i bought or it's a lot bigger now. when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt and that i would have many problems in recovering

the country over of, you know, if we did recover brazil condo dish up when i left the government, me economy was growing at the 7 percent a year. well, but our view brazil did not have any reserves. when i took office in 2003, we have and we had $170000000000.00 in international reserves. when i left a telephone, i could have the shepherd. i brought up that might be few. now things are more difficult for me exactly because of this i will be able to fix brazil out of your pocket. during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil. because because you know, i v deal with color. but because of the conferences on culture, on health, how would you consider curity would have on indigenous people will be black. people will be naval. there was 64 conferences quite to and this is how we created

22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and lifted 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty. we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level manager. though one will feel awful . this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by pick up when you off the people, if you will read and the people help you by participating. it is much easier to rule and to do things carol, and this is how i wants to return with my party. and now that we can bring back the new joy and happiness and pride really being brazilian, who do february a little while we are on the issue of employment. i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as a shoe shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life? no. well, yes,

i did. indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body 5. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread with them sausage and a soda. it went there was that was what i had for lunch, but at the very beginning because you had to buy even appreciated, shining shoes in my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food. my mother spare. yes ma'am, i would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better to get another and that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe. well latisha lack because his commitment will you go, mike oliver? since i don't have any personal commitments for before i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over time to improve their lives. by february, by the month, brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century,

nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population. united probably love music and dancing to be moved. really love to work the phone and respect about yeah, it will be worth of the, this is the country i want coming back. go go to vote. that's why i work so hard for, you know, be up. i can i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. and the, and the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with them. merican influence as well. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you in this is resist? post true v the united states vision will be stopped. i did not accuse the

us bravo. we have proof table. we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice, but i mean, it would be difficult and from prosecutors work, interested in brazilian companies to condemn me. contact my new phone to look for docks. i don't get w shobel and deep down excited to be what was it? that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd. tried to fetch had made the greatest oil discovery in the 21st century in a sub cell clare. no, no my would like to leave this aside. you tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs? maybe boyce, on december, the 10th, 2002, i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office. and bush was terrified. she wanted to end terrorism. get in to get into and he needed to invade iraq. you know, yet up if you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war. but

at cooper and i hold president bush on that december. the 10th 2002 bullshit that i didn't know saddam hussein boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. pick up those rebuking rock had never done anything against brazil. go under my walk, not against the iraq view, but against hunger in my own country and reform. and by default, the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else am beat economically. no good rama americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have to go where she report you fail to prove that you don't want to be brothers and sisters shelter. you come with the vote. so that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career. but we must not be dominated . i want russia, china, brazil,

argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government, well, this is how we will deal with the u. s. but present, do, do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the right to determine your own faith to determine your own past and development? because as you pointed out. c in many of your interviews, the americans have long treated lives in america as it were, the own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over and say, oh no. it's not up to the us actually me to allow us to do them with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's a pretty good deal. i ruled brazil during an extraordinary period as well as in

venezuela. gina christina kirsten argentina. job michel busha and chilly water. rafael, korea, in ecuador, and evil morales in bolivia, america before it was the best moment for south america. we strengthened the mercosur well and expelled the f. t a, as we created in a sore and cell view and we created the bricks, food. why organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries? families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty and international protagonist pro but would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. i don't, they don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard problem. the problem is brazil has a ruling class, an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us. human, as i told you, with a start, i have

a diversity back to the us and for the american people, paper bill of america will be billable. they can take care of themselves medical and i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china. don't be noise so that we can be sovereign in a multi polar world warfare with peace and come for last many books and very little weapon talk with you about with a lot of culture and little violence. talk about it. and my last question to you, i can see a stack of books behind your back and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, the or had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil despite having no formal education. my last question to you is

this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the book that you had to pass on when you were working kid or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read it always for a long time. i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to quote on my choke that i'd like to be an economist because the economists to know a lot when they're in the opposition. whether in government, no very little. i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education with that. i learned a lot my view up in the mood and i became what i am through my struggles in life. up in the week with an important if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked, one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon 2 pm, but what i learned

a lot traveling all over brazil by you do, i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do, you know, i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat, i car and by bus 2 i learned a lot by talk and i listen to it was going to i like to ask about things i don't know, i keep and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, it presents always been great, great on our talking to thank you very much, very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center, and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was apart from me. the

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