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mm the mm ah hello, welcome to all the parts hard times, always bring out the bass and the worse than people and governments. i mean, this sounds because this 900 conduct seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individual countries and the world as a whole. rewarding those who practice and punishing those who only preach. but it is a potent or carrying off to put politics back into the service of policy rather than the other way around. well, to discuss it, i'm now joined by a former brazilian president lewis in nashville, lydia silver. mister president, is good to see you. thank you very much for talking to us by. oh, my pleasure,

exxon. and well, 1st of all, let me start by asking you about the situation with the corona virus because this is something that concerns people all around the world. not only in russian, brazil, but in many other countries. i know that you have been very, very critical of how your own country under your successor, dealt with the corona virus pandemic. but putting present bolts in all right, aside and focusing solely on your countrymen on the brazilians. do you think that experience and brazil has had a very difficult experience with corporate 900? do you think that experience has been scaring enough to immunize your people again, demagoguery and populism, or has it on the contrary and made them more susceptible to these brand of politics? by your own problem though, but i feel the problem with brazil is that our president does not respect the science of medicine. you know, those who understand the meaning and for the vanity of the cove at 19 pandemic,

paid for the president did not purchase vaccines when he could have done so. he does not believe in immunization as a way of fighting against the corona virus, or female. he does not believe in isolation or in wearing mask. you know, my last 4 my d will come back to him. it doesn't matter where the one person dies. 165000 people die, which is a number of deaths so far to be fair because of his disrespect for science. i think our president is almost genocidal. because many people died due to lack of guidance from the government or because of its mis guidance. you cannot. why can we handle that for killing my battery about the source? he does not believe in the need to humanize the government. you know, for that up in or not, he did not define protocols. he woke up, he did not gather scientist or state and governors foyce, if he did not make any of the decisions that

a democratic government that is concerned with the people that would have made president wil you never mean towards talking about present vol scenario. and i'm sure you me, you have many unflattering terms to, to, to say about him. but again, my question was about the brazilian people, because if we look at the opinion, polls case, approval rating, still, harvard is around 40 percent. what is it in hand? so many brazilians respond to and do you think brazilians as a hall have changed our view of politics as a result of this very, very hard pandemic, then they have to face new judy to do who is the 15? i would rather not go into this subject of numbers and polls or point because also nora has been dropping deeply in the post with the video when they asked respondents where did they approve of the government in many times they present only the answers all excellent or good and regular,

i will talk about what you view when they ask if the government is excellent, good or terrible, then it's different to a home in a given don't be no. you don't have afraid that boil scenario is experiencing his worst moment. okay. yeah, d a really for the, for an adult current polls confirm that i would beat him in the election slim in the 1st round. and in the runoff, brazilian people behave according to the information they receive. was a patient of many right wing people in brazil during bell fernando gathered around him, members of local militia groups, people who a fascist, a few stuff, people who are in favor of military dictatorships in people who are nazis or there's only 2 very familiar bad, many former military officials, if you want me to pool, but he does have supporters, which maybe 25 or 35 percent preferred to 65 or 75 percent are still against him to be prepared. but that is why i'm sure that democracy will,

will be there democracy will win the elections on 2022 voice in the future voice. now speaking about october 2022, you haven't confirmed decisively, but i think you've provided enough hands to expect your ron for the president, sir. come october 2022. if that comes to pass or doesn't, how do you think that presidential priorities in the presidential challenges of 2022 differ from the challenges of 2003? when you secure your 1st presidential term, you do to kill? no, you don't put a box on our family to i've said that i'm not worried about the 2022 elections. probably because we have greater issues to deal with in 2021 will have been going to be seen up to the battery and we're asking the vaccine for the population safety

board because our only guarantee to fight cobit that and bring the country back to normal. to vaccine insecurity, luggage, we're demanding emergency aid for the population, but i got a futile unemployment is very high when there are 15000000 people without jobs and i got a lawyer. we had gotten eliminated famine in brazil in 2012 for the vote and it has returned very strongly in the country who is the 1st. we must recover the brazilian people's quality of life of health and well being the start of the phone, we can think about 2022 boys. as he said, brazil has the world's stories large as death stole, approaching half a 1000000 dead. and yet in april and brazil's house regulator and visa rejected the use of the russian made vaccines put, need to be citing inherent risk and serious defects. even though internationally

split me is recognize as one of the safest vaccines. do you see any traces of politics and decision? ill tell you, we can see it if i want us to have vaccines from the whole world and the data from all countries, including the can do. i actually had conversations with carol demetrius who is responsible for the fun which sponsored vaccine production and russia bill for the good to keep the company got sold up. i've seen that often. i took for former health ministers to talk with mister dmitri, of assigned to the former president of the visa and governors of the p. t party to york, including one from the northeast region of the unit. they are all fighting to get vaccines and have orders released for a transfer. we met the student, we found that seems to be a problem with production and distribution with the coffee and also with its acceptance here in brazil. d o of you already have any people as suspicious that

former president from recommended pro and there is documentary evidence of it going to port at president bell scenario does not purchase the russian vaccine a few off in the same way that he heavily criticized chinese vaccine. finishing the of if the brazilian president was really committed to the people of his country to the he would have spoken to president putin. paula would have set up a bilateral committee with russian and brazilian experts get our phone and we would have solved the vaccination problem a long time ago. when we go over the president does not take any measures. the truth is that he is under pressure. i cannot prove it, but it is largely visible that there is a political impediment to purchase russian vaccines in brazil. as there was also heavy criticism towards the chinese vaccine view, dickie paid the maple leaf. well, mister president, you just connected the rejection of splitting the vaccine in brazil to the

conversation between prison vaults and our president trump. but it was already under president bob in the us department of health and human services in its annual report in march of 2021. both about having used its diplomatic muscle to quote, persuaded brazil to reject a russian cove at 900 vaccine, which he described as a malign influence detrimental to your safety and security. and, you know, i can on some level understand the logic of the, of the american officials. after all, they are not responsible for the house of the brazilian people. they're trying to do what they define to be in the country of interest. but what about those brazilian officials who are charged with protecting public house? is that ok, is it even the legal in brazil to succumb to that kind of diplomatic pressure on public health issues or the boy who. but if you, the brazilian,

people certainly want the russian vaccine for graphs and i feel the national congress has passed a decision that if the russian vaccine is approved by other countries can be approved in brazil, they have totally view the brazilian health regulatory agency. and visa has determined many demands and requirements of the russian vaccine. and i played with our russian friends to submit the necessary documentation because people in brazil need vaccines. and we do not have arguments against those who oppose the russian vaccine. if you don't have a few, not yet, it seems to me exxon or that the vaccine is about feel couldn't make interests. and that is an ideological war. but after you leave a us defend the american companies and the u. k. defenders, the british companies, what there's all them in brazil does not need to worry about defending the us.

defend needs to worry about the health of the 2 big step needs to worry about the health of its 250000000 inhabitants. that will be very good, there is l your last by the american vaccine. and the russian vaccine, as well as the chinese cuban or any other vaccines, typically proven quality nor do for providing the interests at health of brazilians . and that must be championed by the brazilian government to keep if they're not the us government. i will do that by the way, since the early 2nd semester of 2029, we signed the documents requesting breach of the vaccine pasent for the state of this. and several interviews in the us, germany, france, and u. k. probably might, but the vaccine should be turned into a public asset. the people all over the world don't be vaccinated. we don't have to be feeling well in that. and they have been a lot of talk about solidarity and equitable access to vaccines in the very

beginning of this been done. but we all saw that when push came to shove, everybody was out for themselves, and it was the richest countries, the 1st and foremost, contract that vaccines for themselves, many more vaccines than they actually need that needed. and they continue forward to hoarding those vaccines, rather than sharing it with the, with the rest of their worlds. what does it tell you about the state of lead a ship in the world today? because those are the very same countries who like to preach about democracy and to preach about solidarity to preach about human lives and human rights, the value of human life. but when it comes to part times, they seem to be only caring about their own political considerations. or crook, santa fe u, i have been following what is going on in the world. if you look at, i believe that we need to bring down this objection to sovereign countries. pretty

cool. favorite things going by you before. good. brazil is not against the us. you the visual, but if you and we want to have partnerships and good relations with them by the start, them need to get their level 5. president putin also says he wants good relations with the my boy hello, a phone call. i don't want to because the hampshire get in with things we want to have a good relations with all countries who are compared to however, the us once a world in which day the only country to determine everything of haley tiasha last week in an interview resident biden's said that the us who wants to be a beacon for the globe, if you don't have all the world doesn't, can you know that we don't have all the well can really want all countries to be fraternal on you to develop partnerships. the property brazil must be a suffering country, will be about just like russia, china and the us use the stuff we don't want a shooter. we don't need a tutor. no,

come get the book. you go seem to work for. and that's why i've defended a change in global governance, and we must change the un security council who i sure do, we can't continue with the same security council that was set out in 1948. and i think we, we can't continue to have institutions that were created in bretton woods where institutions like the security council b i m f and the world bank must all be remodeled with us. so the more people in segments participating but also eliminate vito rights because no country is superior to any other game. and this is what we'll do to ensure a new global governance. if i got a few that favors the poor countries democratically, if you will be enough and will go for the football field, they woke up. come in to fight my father the

me or the the join me every 1st day on the alex salmon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport business. i'm show business. i'll see you then in the me or i,

you mentioned to 1000000 brazilians who are out of jobs right now. and the government, when you were in power, was credited for lifting millions and millions out of power in 10, giving them jobs. do you think the challenge right now is bigger? it's bigger down. it's was back in early 2, thousands and my go to it's a lot bigger now. what periods when i became president in 2003, the press in brazil was bankrupt and that i would have many problems in recovering the country. over of you know, if we did recover brazil condo bishop, when i left the government, the economy was growing at the 7 percent a year. what have you? brazil did not have any reserves. when i took office in 2003, 3, and we had a $117000000000.00 in international reserves, when i left the telephone i could share with i brought up that might be few. now

things are more difficult. exactly because of this i will be able to fix brazil view during my administration, i held $64.00 national conferences to define public policies that we would implement in brazil after because because you know, i v deal with collocation. but because of the conferences on culture and health, how would you consider curity on? indigenous people will be black. people will be naval. there was 64 conferences scrapped. and this is how we created 22000000 jobs in queue and raised salaries by 64 percent and left it's 36000000 people out of policy and lifted 36000000 people out of poverty. we w van raised 40000000 to the middle class level to manager when the welfare office . this is how we brought water to a barren desert region by to pick up when you ask the people, if you will get the people help you by participating. if it is much easier to rule and to do things carol,

and this is how i wants to return with my party and that we can bring back the joy and happiness and pride really, being brazilian, who do february later while we are on the issue of employment i know that a long, long time ago when you weren't 12 years old, you started working as a shoe. shine boy, and i'm sure as any 1st job, it must have left some sort of mark on you. what was his life? no. well, yes, i did indeed shine shoes on the figure because you know, well, we are no body 5. it meant that i was able to earn enough money to buy a large piece of bread worth a band with them sausage and a soda. like you went there was that was what i had for lunch to meet the theater because you have to buy even appreciated, shining shoes in my new coffee for a long time at home when there was no food. my mother spare. yes,

i would say if you wait until tomorrow, things will be better to get another and that's how i lead my life. i think that everything can be resolved if we're willing to fight to fix things up. i believe. well, leticia lack of causes, commitment. will it go my gulliver, since i don't have any personal commitments for before i commitment is to try to help resilient people and working people over provide to improve their lives. by february, you know, by the month brazil cannot go on lagging behind the 21st century, nor we need to evolve. all we resume has a wonderful, happy population tonight and probably love music and dancing love to work, phone and respect about. yeah, you got to do this is the country i want to see coming back. go go vote. that's why i work so hard for, you know, be up. i can i ask you about the brazilian relationship with the united states because he just mentioned that the managed to have

a very good relationship with all sorts of leaders around the world. and the of the united states has always had a pretty big influence on the brazilian politics. i know that you previously accused criminal or rather linked criminal proceedings against you with them. merican influences wow. if you ever come to a power again, if your party comes back to power, how do you in this is reveals post true v the united states will be stopped. i did not accuse the us. bravo us. we have proof table. we have videos and recordings and documents from the us department of justice, but that may be 54 bit w and from prosecutor's work. interesting brazilian companies to condemn me. contact my new phone to look for docs. i don't get w shobel can deep down excited to be what was it? that was the increasing presence, the brazilian companies in the global market. we have done my own petrograd. tried

to fetch, had made the greatest oil discovery in the 21st century, given us some self level for no, no my would like to leave this aside to tell you that during my administration. okay, us, did you not a metal in our affairs? maybe boyce, on december, the 10th, 2002, i was invited by president bush. no, i wasn't even in office. and bush was terrified. she wanted to terrorism get in to get into and he needed to invade iraq. you know, yet to receive you by bush invited me to take brazil to participate in the iraq war . but at cooper and i told president bush on that december the 10th 2002 bullshit that i did not know saddam hussein boys can know that iraq was 12000 kilometers away from my country. pick up those rebuking rock had never done anything against brazil. under my walk, not against iraq view, but against hunger in my own country. and again, i reform it by the,

the idea of the americans being a lighthouse for the world and not letting anyone else impede economically. no good rom, americans must know that we don't want a sheriff for a mental health care. we want to partner who do you have to go west report that you fail to prevent you both. we want brothers and sisters show it. come with our vote . that's why i think the role president putin has played in global politics in recent years is very important to career, but we must not be dominated. i want russia, china, brazil, argentine around mexico to grow as well as the us respecting the freedom and sovereignty of other countries. if the p t returns to the government, well, this is how we will deal with the u. s. but present all a do you think the united states is ready to give you that respect for sovereignty, for the ride to determine your own faith to determine your own past and development? because as you pointed out. c in many of your interviews,

the americans have long treated lives in america as it were, the own backyard. do you think the united states is ready to give you that sort of vision to allow you to practice over and say, oh no. it's not up to the us, me to allow us to do them with stock or we must be ready to exercise our sovereignty. there's a pretty good deal. i rules brazil during an extraordinary period as well as with chavez and venezuela. gina christina kitchenette argentina. job michelle busha and chilly walker. rafael korea in ecuador and evil morales in bolivia. america before it was the best moment for south america. we strengthened the ma kosa well and expelled the f t a as we created in a sore and cell view. and we created the bricks. while i organized meetings between south america and africa and south america and the arab countries,

families get up with fever by we proved that brazil could have sovereignty. and international protagonist, a robot would be and that this could be reached without having to off of the us. ok, don't have to ask permission from the us to be the owners of our own backyard problem. the problem is, brazil has a ruling class, an elite that is subservient. they cannot do anything without asking permission from the us. as i told you with a start, i have a diversity for the us and for the american people paper bill of america will be billable. they can take care of themselves. medical i will take care of brazil the same way that i want to rush. and mr. take care of russia and chinese to take care of china got don't be life so that we can be sovereign in a multi polar world war with peace and come for last many books and very little weapon. pretty bad with a lot of culture and little violence woke up. and my last question to you,

i can see a stack of books behind your back. and it's very daring knowing that as a kid, the or had to quit school fairly early and you had to help your family. and probably because of that, you missed on reading some of the books that perhaps people off your age had to read. i know that you opened more universities than any other president in brazil, despite having no formal education. my last question to you is this by the age of 75. have you had a chance to read all the books that you had to pass on when you were working kids or no problem? the problem is that i began to work when i was 11 years old. there was no time to read. always for a long time, i felt frustrated because i wanted to go to university and become an economist or forget to go to my ciocca that i'd like to be an economist because the economists

to know a lot when they're in the opposition course, whether in government no, very little. i say this to economists because i'd like to have a better education with that. but i learned a lot my view up in the mood and i became what i am through my struggles in life, up in the week with an important if i learned a lot at the gates of the plants where i worked one of the 5 am midnight at 1 am at noon 2 pm, but you know, i learned a lot traveling all over brazil by you. i believe nobody knows my country as well as i do. i think i covered almost 92000 kilometers by train by boat, i car and by bus. what i learned a lot. i talk when i listen to it was going to, i like to ask about things i don't know. i keep and i hope to continue to read everything. i didn't have a chance to read that in my early days. well, it presents always been great, great on our talking to thank you very much,

very much for your time and best of luck with your future endeavors and travels. i hope they bring you to the place where you want to be pretty good. thank you center and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on was apart from me. the me ah, now we have eating reads. i just heard that it was a healthy alternative to figure out how do we trust tobacco companies with their message that these new products are actually going to reduce? are these, these are making the tobacco have been worse when

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