business, i'm sure business. i'll see you then. me the with i'm action or 10 senior what you're going underground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up in the show reports of over a 1000 dead job by deploying b. 50 to an ac 130 warplanes and we put drones is before me, see a back to taliban sweep? of course i forgot it's done. we speak to the president of that kind of sons, special boy, and what is the role of afghanistan's neighbor,

the country that actually hosted is i'm, i'm not enough. and i don't even when focused on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the focus on people's party chevy us one plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of journalists to reveal the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before you think positionally the jeremy kobus outside london's high court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against the judgment, extradition to the usa might kill him, but for us as expected by many the former ca back taliban is sweeping across the canvas. done. after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital. cobble is president. chef. got his special on board for buck is funny affairs moment. my dad's i thank you so much special for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared the for the majority in the and the taliban. we got the talks at the talks in culture. and what you understand is going on, i suppose,

especially on the your remit. as regards the pakistan african border when it comes to the re taking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate that since may this year, when the us formally declared that they were parked by september, wanting to be in because the us support to suddenly see, i mean s or c have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take cities. and actually the alluded to that when they want to moscow that they may not embark on taking city, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically is fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks are there,

they're going gone. but little hope is now what i should used hoping now attached to the piece drugs and drew on this one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what other bundles strategically was to cut off carbons. they cannot be lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that will fund it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened which is taking place now. god forbid, if government lose debt, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there, i mean i should say the supports according to the by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians.

and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials, both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say that the conditions, their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who are not to relieve the de listing, didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand because they're being in this kind of situation for the 42 years and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that, i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts,

then they would have lost momentum. so that's why they embark on it. and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of african civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and africa border. i'm not going picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what, that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us,

we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african, the offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. have any schools been bombed by the us warplanes there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to very sorry, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god. and they all, they're all he knew there was no news of some kind of intervention. us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne,

ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention our, the african forces support the one way or the other. you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them. who emanates of go to jang, and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and the same time they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh, when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us. that last sponsor really. and i hear the same database going on and in washington also.

particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, presidents, enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against the let's say china or against russia. i mean that's, that's a d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see it personally so far. i mean the administration that was born in the born conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be both based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now

more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next, the trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done and what evidence to the acting interior minister ab ms. wells, what evidence does he have seeing the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan? or that i don't know. i don't know. some medic and accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or why the stall and when the us applies, what coming through? that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you

believe the park is on the government of him? run con is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all these cities and regions? well that's all he did in the past. 42 years by them has been involved in this done. and since the taliban emerge in 1994, they were very special. needs are rubbing or you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically involved that up. i could stand the national seat fighting along st. site collar have been sent by bikes, situations or how they crossed by themselves. or because started when i do a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations

and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well they, they of course deny that. obviously we saw pictures of us or i've gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on. the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be ally of your government and your lead. a lie? give it a gun. there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think that message that i need or his intentions . i misunderstood. he wants dozer warlords, or political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to,

to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents just find the i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from left canister. and what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in afghanistan, where sanctions are very different issue. it's a long time you should be trained iran in the us. iran is a neighbor. and it's not that when there is problem in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain?

do you think the refugees trying? they're trying, it's not new for the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe. especially. all right, thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry rock mon about pending allegations. that is i'm about is aiding the taliban. all listen more coming up with part 2 of going on the ground. ah, ah.

ah ah, i use the welcome back and when we spoke to the asking, the president special was like a sunny affairs as cobble and his lamb about 60 cooperate after defeated nato troops retreat from the hindu kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pocket phone of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan. now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from karachi is parliamentary leader of the party,

people's party sheriff mind. thank you so much and senator, for coming on the show. i mean, you've just come out with a book, women explaining activism, politics modality and i guess on how ease with itself is part of the $21.00 gun, $31.00 gun salute and prayers. they scream out into the night on national day to day. well, there's scream out into the day actually. and focus on is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak. but dictionary, because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headlines, we look towards structure problems we looked at was the need for further resilience . but what we're seeing today in an impending theories of challenges practice on have a they resilient population. we have wonderful women at the

best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you going to 65 percent of the population? so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity. these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world to repair began arguably in china,

close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023, that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way. if you are me and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region and was wanting a break now, which really from this vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping taliban, your neighbor in africa, in afghan it's done. we just heard from the special envoy,

we were talking about reports that us serial bombardment of again it's done, has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the, a forces remaining in afghanistan and after the u. s. and u. k. troops leave one look at what's happening. and one sound right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure all the real american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation had failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the thought about that they have to legitimize the giving room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have given power to. so to say, now they're boxed on is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy, the 3rd one,

don't me thank to re bid live in lash whatever rules that apartment the door and they also have access to it. i know it has a state now there are many, many actors and players interested in debility, but i think the sun is in the front line of those. not sure. i'm not child clothes, iran and the taliban, given that iran is taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911, should they have invaded pakistan because it was packaged somewhere somewhere in london, went to obviously you have nuclear weapons. it would have made it harder for nato. i think that it's not even a question i can be excused. lee is but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been

a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that packet involved open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was again slighted extenders, and at that time it was a war against data. but you know how these curated narrative go? and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guy out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. they've

been, they invested in fostering in the back in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon, when there was a balance of power in the field. then perhaps they would not be seen the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place in a month when, why do you think that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is 65000000000 dollars? one report says a chinese investment in pakistan to china broker, the regional talks between the neighbors, iran pakistan and afghanistan. should it be may, june. now the take the lead. yeah, i think the, the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the ability, the central asian country, the china,

and so has russia. but i don't think i've ever had an appetite for any combat rule in the sun. and the wind just been over this buck assigned to easy because it catches the call that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that isn't there for when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment . it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those china consumers. terrorists are d, stabilizing. jang. this is all good for some policymakers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but i why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean, this is like eating. so with the pork, their foreign policy follows a different strategic template like to grow their way to countries and they like to

use economy. and for that surely of understand needs to be stable. surely this innovation states and son needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and they should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken, e lead. so russia, despite proscribing with all of us, they've been privately talking since 2018. and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have a stable for, for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, the thing a military solution are all in the bad be there is

a human tragedy on boarding and on and on. and it's not boxed on or on, or just the, just the neighbor responsibility the entire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries. i've been sitting in atlanta for 20 years. it's time that the rules based international order, upper under its own don't you think? so this is sherry right. want having natural dan, thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez wiki leeks . organization published the afghan war logs, which pull the rug on the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan, his reward has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media,

producer for knowledge, went down to the protest. i caught and caught up with the former u. k. opposition leader. jeremy corbin, one of the many voices calling for sandra is free to audio. be your message to bar sonton? no, of course it's up to him whether julian, the thought, actually for a 175 years, i would say devoris johnson. you've made your life before he became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has steamrolled. i had its plan, do you think it will do the same for during the song she was going to get past the court and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of govern, of course,

pass laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government. do you think this is a wide, a wall on press freedom press freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world with corruption, the environmental disaster. all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangers to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated. real frustrated was also thing done. you will help us with revealing of of us john strike. he's been up to 5 months. so do you see like, the wider war? julianna's sandra casualty almost make sure that others don't follow in his lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really

a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up on my short page is actually about signing up press freedom every 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're nathan's might commit suicide if you well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health. in this situation, the judge recognize that it wasn't with mental health and he would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was, there is an out to the abroad, a movement among european political parties involved to hold an auction in. helping to yes, there is a wider movement. i raised the matter, for example,

the last session of accounts to the euro. with kevin tv, who's a member of the irish, we go to the songs celebration and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been raised in the european parliament is one of course, as in the british parliament, by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as we see here today. that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian this on? so actually be free. what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of his administration, well, did many things of the top his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect president by to do better than formerly believe jeremy call been

speaking to going undergoing social media producer fraud. that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for a brand new season. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see on the next season of going undergrad. ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk

the ah, top stories of this week tells continues a couple airport after the telephone sweeps, the power and galveston, the last protected route to please the militants is reported to be closing. for the next 2 days to evacuate goes already inside. meanwhile, many others desperate to use it to escape remained outside. despite the devastating advance of the taliban public resistance to the limits, militants remain among those continued protest are many after women, all in fear of their future. and the chaos to pull out by the western coalition also leaves behind huge amounts of ammunition for the insurgents, including advanced weaponry from aircraft to farmer.