in men's presence, so this is a one sided policy that only benefits mailed you still have their peanut because we took mail who have had surgery since at least 1982 over in the united states. similar concerns have been raised, for example, by the case of janai at one row, a transgender woman in illinois who was transferred from a mens prison to a women's facility that was after she alleged mail and mate had sexually harassed her. but in her new prison, monro herself was accused of raping a female inmate at the thought of the california past its own controversial law. now it allows trans inmates to be transferred to facilities. that line with the gender identity below was adopted in january by may, over 216 transfer requests had been made. and that left some female convicts very worried. i will not be victim anymore. i have endured sexual abuse as young as 4 to

8 and with the rape as well as numerous main staff correctional officers being an appropriate ever since california. as as b one for 2 has passed, i have been living in constant fear. i can't mentally function without fear. if the men come here, please help us. i'm scared just because they feel like a woman doesn't mean their penis doesn't work. we discuss california law with alex har on a co founder of partners for ethical care. and founder of the agenda mapping project, she says the well being of women prisoners is simply of no interest to legislators . senate bill 132 is it is like a sentence thing. women who have committed whatever crime to the punishment of sexual violence at the hands of meals. and i think that in terms of the pyramids of nice, gavin, new them and scott,

winner and every other enabler who had the largest to happen, views, the feelings of the physical safety of incarcerated women at the bottom of that pyramid of needs. when we of course understand it has to be a top ortiz keeping a close eye on similar developments in the us and why the world. and we'll have more features on the issues raised, took off. ah, [000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00]

the news i'm action or 10 senior, what's going underground? the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up in the show reports of over a 1000 dad joe biden. deploying b 50 to an ac 130 war plains and we put drones as they formerly ca backed taliban sweep across africa. we speak to the presidents all that kind of stuff, special. oh boy. and what is the role of afghanistan's neighbor, the country that actually hosted as i'm in love enough, america? when pockets on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the focused on people's party, cherry ref one. plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of the journalists who revealed the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before me, you say position needed jeremy coban outside of high court,

joe biden. when is the right to appeal against a judgment that extradition to the usa might kill. but for us as expected by many the former ca back taliban is sweeping across the canvas. done after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital cobble is president. gosh ref. got his special envoy for back his money affairs moment. my dad's i thank you so much special for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared the for the majority in, in the, in the taliban. we got the talks at the talks in coffee. and would you understand is going on, i suppose, especially on the your remit as regards the pockets on afghan border when it comes to the re taking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate

that sense made this year when the us formally declared that they were parked by september and wanting to be in because the us support suddenly c s up or suddenly see have been taking over quite quickly districts and then we were told that they may not take the city there and actually alluded to that when there was a visit to moscow that they may not embark on taking cities, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically, it's fighting, it's a displacement, it's a carrying the stocks are there. they're going gone, but little hope is now what i should use hoping now attached to the piece drugs and drew on this one or 2 months. what bike stuff, what other bundles strategically was to cut off carbon as they can on the

lifeline. so like islam, collar we do almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that will fund it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened which is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose that, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there. i mean, i should say at the support, according to the, by the administration, they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a c 130 con ships and the end, the drones, j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials of both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson on the what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't say the

lie. i would say that the conditions, their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing. since the 7000, the president who are not released then the de la thing didn't take place. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 22 years, and this kind of situation a, wadding group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that, i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts that they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops,

that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads. they increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not in fixture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the war. that's what, that's what's called keep that's in horse. and a portion of them is now shifted to canada. and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have

a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there when reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to, to verify. but there were claims that bombardment of hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god. and they all, they're all, he knew there was no news of some kind of an intervention us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force. the intervention are over the african forces support. one way or the other, you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they

d stabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them. who emanate, of course, was in jang. and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca on board is. and at the same time, they don't have to pay so much. they've been for trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh well that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us. that last sponsor really. and i hear the same database going on and in washington, also, particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years. and the diplomatic and military, they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the $8500.00 troops, the presence enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't

a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against. let's say china or against russia. i mean that's, that's a d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see it personally so far. i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be both based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done. and what evidence to the acting interior minister ab ms. wells,

whatever that says you have the seeing the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan. oh that i don't know. i don't know. some minute can accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up, so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or what the stall. and when the u. s. supplies were coming through. that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe that park is found the government of him run con is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all these cities in regions where that's all he d. b, in the past, 42 years by spam has been involved in this. and since the taliban emerge in

1994, there was very special needs are rubbing. you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say, militarily, politically they are in, was that up i can find the national see fighting along side tyler have the been sent by bike studies, traditions or how they crossed by themselves. or because started when i the logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well they, they of course deny that. obviously we saw pictures of us or have gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on. the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures?

you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead alike. in half guns there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think the message or the need or his intentions are misunderstood. he wants those, there was no political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than

a 1000000 refugees from f canister. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanctions are very different issue. it's a long time you should between iran in the us. the around is a neighbor, and it's not that when the problem and in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees try? they're trying, it's not new for the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money

to cross over to europe. special. all right, thank you. welcome. after the break as pocket sun celebrates independence day. today we speak to opposition to sherry rec mind about pentagon allegations that islam about his aiding the taliban. all listen more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. the welcome back and thought when we spoke to the afghan president special, i was with beckers funny affairs. as cobble in his lum about seek to cooperate after defeated nato troops retreats from the into kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation. recapturing last lan, now on pockets on independence day. joining me from karachi as parliamentary leader, the focused on peoples body sheriff in mind. thank you so much and senator, for coming on the show. i mean, you just come out with a book, women's explaining activism,

politics modality and but just on how ease with itself, his pockets thought of the 21 gun, 31 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day to day. well, there's scream out into the day actually, and focused on in looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak. but dick unity, because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headline, we look towards structure problems we looked at was the need for further resilience . but what we're seeing today in an impending theories of challenges practice on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have

a situation where are you going to 65 percent of the population? so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity. these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no new around the world did to the panoramic began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan. any truth and report, we're hearing a in some media of

a joint p t i p. p. p ticket for 2023. that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way if you asked me. and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region, and we're falling apart right now which really from this vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping the taliban, your neighbor in africa, and if canister, we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us aerial

bombardment of afghan it's done has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the u. s. and u. k. troops leave. well look at what's happening and one son right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure all the real savior. american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation had failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the bond that they have sought to legitimize the giving room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have given power to. so to say, now that baka son is responsible for she's not giving. thank judy that, that mine,

don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever room than apartment than door. and they also have access to it. i know it has a state. now there are many, many actors and players interested in submitting, but i've been focused on isn't the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes, iran and the taliban are given that iran is taken in around 800000. maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911 sure. they've invaded pakistan because it was package somewhere somewhere in london. went to, obviously you have nuclear weapons and we made it harder for nato. i think that it's not even a question i could take seriously, but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, he could have been a conceivable tort. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that a detergents, but the point, but which is the issue is that pakistan involved open for invasion if you'd like to

focus on has been in a country that has been on the front lines of fighting. one of the most difficult and challenging was against slide and explain to them about damage or a war against data. but you know how these curated narrative go. and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guys out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to focus on it. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. the very invested in fostering in the back in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start

a conversation with the thought of bon. when there was a balance of power in the field, then perhaps he would not be seen. the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place in the why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is a $65000000000.00? a one report says a chinese investment in pakistan to china broker. the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan, should it be may, june. now the take the lead, i think the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the stability, the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i've ever had an appetite for any combat in

the sun. and the point is that nobody buckets on easy because it catches the goal that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this a win? i mean, i off this is a special oh boy, isn't it? a win win for washington. d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with managing in chinese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those. china considers terrorists are de stabilizing. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to. conspiracy anywhere. but why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean, this is like eating. so with the pork, their foreign policy follows a different strategic tempted. they like to grow their way to countries and the like, do you ex nomic power?

and for that surely needs to be stable. surely this information needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and they should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken e lead. so i was russia despite prescribing that balance. they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have stables for us, for, for some length of time and to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, out of our thing, a military solution are all in the bad. there is

a human tragedy on boarding and on. and it's not boxed on or on, or just the, just the name of responsibility be in dire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a response for 20 years. it's done that the rule based international order oper it under some of its own. don't you think? so this is sherry wright, one happy natural day and thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez wiki leaks . organization published the afghan war logs which pulled the rug and the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media, producer finance. that went down to the protests of the high court and caught up with form a u. k. opposition lead to jeremy colbin. one of the many voices calling for sandra is free to already be your methods to far as johnson. of course,

it's up to him whether julian, the thought is actually for 175 years. i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before you became an m p as a journalist, a career as a journalist, judy, this is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is a function of true journalism. and i think that johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the tourists united states, despite many protests around the world has cream rolled ahead with its ponds. do you think it'll do the same? but during the lunch, when it's gotta get past the courts here, and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered. some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as iraq. and we've seen the birth of scrubbing, of course, possible laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government . do you think this is a wider war on press?

freedom press freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of world corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and break decision to uncover corruption and dangerous to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated real, frustrated with also things done. you will help us with revealing the extent of us john strike. he's been up for 5 months. so do you see like the wider warning? listen, julianna's 100 casualties. almost. make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has just been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. and so us standing up on him, i show a page is actually about signing up,

press freedom everywhere, and 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in a thought might commit suicide if you well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health and the situation. the judge recognize that it wasn't his mental health and he would be at a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was moved, there was an answer the a broader movement among european political parties. i'm talking about ordering a auction in helping to yes, the reason why the movement on this i raised the matter, for example, the last 2 sessions accounts to the euro. with kevin td, who's

a member of the irish goes right through to the songs celebration. and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament is one of course, as integration, parliament and by people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such an issue here today that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian this on to actually be free? what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of administration, well trumpeted many things off the top of his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect press the button to do better than that for me. and they believe jeremy call been speaking to going under social media producer for her