the time action or town senior, what's going on the ground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show reports of over a 1000 dad job by deploying b 50 to an ac 130 war planes. and we've drones as they formerly cia. back to taliban sweep across africa. we speak to the president of afghan stones, special oh boy. and what is the rule of thumb neighbor in the country that actually hosted this i'm, i'm in love, nothing that 11. when pockets on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the focus on people's party, cherry ref one. plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of the journalists who revealed the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before you think opposition to jeremy coban outside london. high court is joe biden . when is the right to appeal against a judgment? the extradition to the usa might kill him, but 1st, as expected by many, the former ca back taliban, sweeping across the f. kennedy, done after defeated us and

u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital. cobble is president, sheriff gone, his special on voice with buckets. funny affairs moments. my dad's i thank you so much special for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we that all week, different towns declared the for the majority in, in the, in the taliban. we got the talks of the talks in cash or would you understand is going on, i suppose, especially on the your remit. as regards the pakistan african border when it comes to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate since may do, sir, when the us formally declared that they were the product by september was exacerbated. and because the us support to suddenly see, i mean yes up or suddenly see have been taking over quite quickly

districts. and then we were told that they may not take cities. and actually the alluded to that when they want to moscow that they may not embark on taking cities, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically is fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks are there, they're going gone. but little hope is now what i should use hoping now attached to the piece drugs and do all this. so one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off a carbon as it cannot be, lifeline. so like islam, collar we do almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border

crossing opened on which is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose debt, then it could be a konami. can easily suffocated just winding back there. i mean, i should say the support according to the, by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a c 130 con ships, and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials of both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i would into the light, i would say to the conditions the warnings to the disease of president and also de listing. since the 7000, the president who can relieve the de la thing,

didn't take faith, they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand because i being in this kind of situation for the 22 years and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts, then they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that for lack of, i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of african civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads. they increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not

in the picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the war, that's what it was called. keep that's in horse. and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes, the reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to verify,

but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god and on their own. there was no news of some kind of an intervention in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention our what the african forces support the one way or the other. you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them. who emanate of course,

who's in jang and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and the same time they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh, when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us that sponsor really and i hear the same database going on in washington also. particularly people who served it up on a sunday the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, the presidents enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against, let's say china or against russia. i mean that's the, the beat that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very,

i see personally. so far, i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next, the trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done what evidence to the acting interior minister abdul subs. ms. wells, what evidence does he have saying the taliban are moving tanks to pakistan? or that i don't know. i don't know. some minute can actually had been seen across the line used by people

included these pick up. so the hound rees, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or what the stall. and when the u. s. supplies coming through, that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. i'm a, do you believe that park is found? the government of him run con, is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions where that's all he d b in the past 42 years and has been involved in this. and since the taliban emerged in 1994, there was very special needs. are you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily,

politically they are in was that up? i can stand the national seat. fighting along st site. tyler have the been sent by the bikes situations or how they crossed by themselves. or because started when i did a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they are supporting. it's very hard for me to verify. well, they of course deny that. obviously we saw pictures of us are gone with general. dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on? the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead alike in africa. and there were question marks in my mind also when i

side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think the message or the need or his intentions are misunderstood. he wants those warlords, or political lars, or war leaders, whatever you call him, to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran has taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from?

what's now happening in afghanistan, where sanctions are very different in issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran, you know, when they but, and it's not that when there is problem in one neighboring country, when people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees trying they're trying, it's not new for the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the practice of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe, especially boy, thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry rec mind about pentagon allegations that

islam about his aiding the taliban. all listen more coming up in part 2 of going underground. ah, a military mission against them will conclude on august 31st ah, one phone for who did a good to us all the quote unquote a young girl. when i real monday through so much you got to do something that company will cut the cut over the whatever the most. okay. that was the key code in the last minute. very good. this was the right weapon against the right and the local. no, no, no bought it from but it was on the old road through z o o z the, the signing of the us to all about agreement and laid the groundwork for the road

ahead toward a lasting peace in afghanistan. and i know that mcdonald and her the welcome back. and when we spoke to the asking, the president special was like a sunny affairs as cobble and his lum about secret cooperate. after defeated nato troops retreats from the into cushion is as if can, it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation. recapturing last land. now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from karachi as parliamentary leader, the focused on people's body sharing with mind. thank you so much and senator, for coming on the show. i mean, you just come out with a book, women's explaining activism, politics, modality and budget on how ease with itself is park is thought of the 21 gun,

31 gun salute. and pres, they scream out into the night on national day today will scream out into the day actually, and focused on in looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak. but dictionary, because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headlines, we look toward structural problems. we look to was the need for further resilience . but what we're seeing today in an impending theories of challenges practice on have a day resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best phase of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you school more to 65 percent of the population. so they

have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic needs and to re then that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity, these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yet another leave of which is the data very and came in from india, i really meant was about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to race, as i said, because it's a no no round the world. the panoramic began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan on any truth in reports. we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023. that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment,

skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such goal post on the way if you ask me. and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct. did narrative is being off of a divided region and we're falling apart right now which really from this vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying the son is involved in helping the taliban. your neighbor in f. f ken, it's done, we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us aerial bombardment of afghanistan has caused damage to schools in hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region as we know, the ca,

forces remaining in afghanistan and after the u. s. u k. troops leave? well, look at what's happening and one sound right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure all the american policy of the 3 formation and democracy creation failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the bond that they have sought to legitimize the giving wrong to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have been given power to. so just say now that back a son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that, that her mom don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever rules and apartment the door. and they also have access to it. i know, you know, has a state now there are many,

many actors and players interested in responsibility. but i think the sun is in the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes, iran and the taliban given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops to invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911 sure. they have invaded pakistan because it was packaged somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons. it would have made it harder for me to i think that it's not even a question i could dig seriously. but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is the pakistan involved open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been in

a country that has been on the front lines of fighting. one of the most difficult and challenging was against slighted extenders, and at that time it was a war against data. but you know how curated narrative go. and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last stone and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guys out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2012 now was all the regrouping. you see director to focus on it. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that because they've been very invested in fostering in the badlands in the bad old days. and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon when there was

a balance of power in the field. then perhaps he would not be seen. the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is $65000000000.00? one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker. the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan. should it be majoring now that takes the lead? i think the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the stability at the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think either has an appetite for any combat rule in the sun and the pointers. but nevertheless, buckets on so easy because it catches the goal that ends up sneezing very rapidly.

but isn't that, isn't this when i mean i off this is a special oh boy, isn't it a win win for washington. d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with may jing in chinese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those. china considers terrorists are destabilization. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes. well, i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but why would china wanted take on the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean this is like eating. so with the hawk, their foreign policy follows a different strategic tempted. they like to grow their way to countries and they like to you cannot make power. and for that, surely a virus on needs to be stable. surely the centralization needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and they should have been

a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now where, you know, china should take this on. regina has 30 lead taken e lead. so i was russia despite prescribing the thought of on. they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have on table for us, for, for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, thing a military solution are all in the bad. there is a human tragedy on boarding and it's done. and it's not boxed down on it on or just still just the neighbors responsibility. be in dire, you know,

more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a stand for 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper it under some of its own. don't you think? so this is sherry recommend having national day and thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez wiki leaks . organization published the afghan war logs, which pulled the rug and the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media. producer phenomena went down to the protests of the high court and caught up with form a u. k. opposition lead a jeremy colbin, one of the many voices calling for a son. just freedom audio, be your message to bar sonton. no, of course it's up to him. whether julian saw his doctor extracts,

475 years. i would say devoris johnson. you've made your life before he became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is a function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many processes around the world has cream rolled ahead with its ponds. do you think it will do the same for doing this on when it's gotta get past the court? and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war such as iraq. and we've seen the birth of scrubbing, of course, pass laws against whistleblowers against john was leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider war on press? freedom press. freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems we're world. the

corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces plan is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make brave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangers to all of us to climate change. then we need frustrated, real, frustrated, with also seeing daniel hale, the us whistle revealing the extent of us john strike. he's been up to 45 months. so do you see like the wider warning? listen, julianna's sandra casualty, it's almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has just been treated is really a threat to all journalists, and it's an example to all of them as well. and so us standing up on my short page is actually about signing up for freedom. everyone on 175 years, he faces in

a superman prison. we've seen you and human rights are both thing. these are some of the most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in a san might commit suicide? well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health and the situation . the judge recognize that it's written in days wasn't right to his mental health, and he would be at a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was moved, there was an answer, the a broader movement among european political parties. i'm talking about ordering a action in helping yes, there is a wider move to coordinate action on this. i raised the matter, for example, the actual sessions accounts for the euro. with kevin tv, who's a member of the irish. we both raised student assaulted situation and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe,

has been right in the european parliament run across as in the british parliament, by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today, that is going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian this? ok, so i should be afraid. what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this. because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days of administration. well trumpeted many things of the top head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect person bye to do it better than the former labor leader, jeremy colby and speaking to getting other social media producer for her. that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for

a brand new season. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then, keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see. on the next season of going undergrad, the americans love by an armed ah, ah, this was a fundamental part of how our political leadership and our country at large understood the bargain. you get a home and then you will rebel, right? as the things you don't revolt, if you have a stake in the system, be really interesting to dial back and think about no longer deeper history of what housings meant in the united states. not just that old question of the american

dream, but the bigger question of who the dream has been for the afghan to stand still dominates the headlines this monday is going to do so for a while yet the u. s. know is reportedly changing and policy cobble. apple, now, only americans and citizens of nato countries will be allowed group plus green card holders is the main line through. there's no further provision at the moment for us come to work for coalition forces at the moment. anyway, we're tracking that early as some of those employed by foreign states did manage to flee, but the big but here's the relative, remain in the country living in fear for their lives. we spoke to one translator coming up on condition of complete anonymity because the risks are so high and i believe that americans are responsible for the missions and today's anybody will be

killed as a result of this will be on the hands of detail.