the who's dom action or senior, what's going on the ground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show reports of over a 1000 dad job by deploying b 50 to an ac 130 war planes. and we drones, the formerly cia, back to taliban sweep across africa. we speak to the president of that kind of special boy. and what is the role of our sons neighbor, the country that actually hosted as i'm in love enough and i don't ever know when pockets on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the practice on people's party sherry ref one plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of the journalists who reveal the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before you think opposition is jeremy kobus. outside on

the high court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against the judgment of extradition to the usa might kill him. but for us as expected by many the former ca back taliban is sweeping across. countless done. after defeated u. s. u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital cobble is president, chef county special envoy for pakistani affairs. moment. my dad's i thank you so much so much for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared the for the majority in, in the, in the taliban. we got the talks of the talks in coffee or would you understand is going on. i suppose, especially on the your remit. as regards the buckets on afghan border when it comes to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate since made this year when the us formally declared that they were

parked by september was exacerbated in because the us support to suddenly see, i mean yes, up or suddenly see have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take the city there. and actually the alluded to that when there was a visit to moscow that they may not embark on taking the city, but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically it's fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks or their, their glean gong. but little hope is now what i should used hoping now attached to the piece drugs and do all this. so one or 2 months, what bikes, what other bundles strategically was to cut off carbon as it cannot be?

lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back. and then there are 2 border crossing opened, which change is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose that then it could be a konami can easily suffocated just winding back there. i mean i should say the supports according to the by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a c 130 con ships, and the end the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials, both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't say the

lie. i would say that the conditions, their warnings to the disease of president and also de listing. since the 7000, the president who are not to relieve the de listing, didn't take faith, they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 42 years, and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that, i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts that they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and

trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of african civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not didn't picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what, that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african, the offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there been reports

of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of guy. and they all, they're all, he knew there was no news of some kind of an intervention. us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention are, were the african forces support the one way or the other? you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the,

the african government is also connected to them. and the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them. who emanates, of course, who's in jang and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and the same time they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh well that's not how people find it and see. i mean people blame us. that last sponsor really. and i hear the same database going on and in washington, also, particularly people who served it up on a sunday the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry. the 8500 troops, presidents, enough to start work sustainable. it wasn't a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win

win against the let's say china or against russia. i mean that's, that's a d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see it personally so far. i mean, the administration that was born in the born conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be both based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get this done. what evidence to the acting interior minister to miss wells? what evidence does he have seeing the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan?

all that i don't know. i don't know. some medic and accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up, so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or what the stall. and when the u. s. supplies were coming through. that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe the park is on the government of him? ron con is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions? well that's all he did in the past. 42 years by them has been involved in this. and since the taliban emerge in 1994,

they were very special needs. are you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically they are in, was that up i could stand the national seat fighting alongside side tyler have the been sent by bikes, traditions, or how they crossed all by themselves. or because started whether i logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they are supporting. it's very hard for me to verify. well, they of course deny that. obviously, we saw pictures of us are gone with general. dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban, or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on?

the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be out of your government and your lead alike. in africa, there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that, but i think that message or for the need or his intentions. i misunderstood. he wants those, there was no political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe

a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanctions are very different issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's not that when there is problem in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees, they're trying their trying. it's not new for the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money

to cross over to europe. especially i thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day, today we speak to opposition to sherry rock mont, about pentagon allegations. that is, i'm about is aiding the taliban. all this is coming up in part 2 of going underground. ah, a military mission against him. we'll conclude on august 31st. i was going to go to us all the quote unquote a young girl, and i will bundle you through so much you got to the southern company. so the cut the cut over, what was the key code to show that this was the right weapon against the right and the local. no, no,

no bought it from but it was filled out through z o o z the, the signing of the us to all about agreement and laid the groundwork for the road ahead toward a lasting peace in afghan the stand on that mcdonald's and he the welcome back in part, when we spoke to the afghan president special, i was like your son. he affairs has cobble in his lum about seek to cooperate after defeated nato troops retreats from the into kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban,

which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan, now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from karachi is parliamentary leader, the focus on peoples body sherry for man. thank you so much. and senator, for coming on the show, i mean, you just come out with a book, women's explaining activism, politics, modality and budgets. how ease with itself is pakistan of the $21.00 gun, $31.00 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day to day. well, there's scream out into the day actually. and my son is looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak, but dictionary because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headlines, we look towards structural problems. we look towards the need for further resilience. but what we're seeing today is an impending theories of challenges. practice on have

a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best face of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation. where are you go more to 65 percent of the population? so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress bio diversity. these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said,

because i have no new around the world with and began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan. any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p. p. p ticket for 2023. that all these problems that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way if you want me. and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really needs to move past the construct. did narrative being off of a divided region and was wanting to right now would really, from the advantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in

helping the taliban. your neighbor in africa and afghan is done. we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us aerial bombardment of afghan it's done has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the us and u. k. troops leave? well look at what's happening and one sound right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure, all american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation had failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the thought about that they have to legitimize and give room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have given power to. so to say,

now that baka son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy, the 3rd one, don't me. thanks judy. they live in lash whatever rules that apartment the door and they also have access to it. i know it has a state now there are many, many actors and players interested in the british. but i think the sun is in the front line of those. not sure. i'm not child closed, iran and the taliban, given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911 sure. they have invaded pakistan because it was packaged somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons. it would have made it harder for me to i think that it's not even a question i can fix usually. it's but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers,

he could have been a conceivable tort. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that it's not open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was against extenders and that time, or a war against data. but you know how these curated narrative go. and we have actually lost more blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guy out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also,

i think they're all white bed for a shifting of bleed. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. the when they invested in fostering in the badlands, in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon, when there was a balance of power in the field, then perhaps they would not be seen the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place in the why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 it is 60 $5000000000.00. one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker. the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan, should it be may, june. now the take the lead. i think that the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the

stability at the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i ever have an appetite for any combat rule in the sun. and the wind just been over the bucket time for easy because it catches a call that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this when i mean i off this is a special oh boy, isn't it a win win for washington. d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in chinese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those china consumers. terrorists are destabilization. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes. well, i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but why would china wanted take on the responsibility of such a big venture?

i mean, this is like eating. so with the pork, their foreign policy follows a different strategic template like to grow their way to countries and they like to you ex nomic power. and for that surely of understand needs to be stable. surely this innovation states and son needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as get. and there should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. regina has 30 lead taken a lead. so russia, despite proscribing with all of us, they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have done tables for, for,

for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now, thing a military solution are all in the bad. there is a human tragedy on boarding and it's done. and it's not focused on or on or just, just the neighbors are responsibility. be in dire, you know, more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in for 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper, office owns. don't you think? so this is sherry red ones having national day and thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julian sanchez, where he leeks organization publish the afghan war logs which pulled the rug and the so called mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan. his reward has been persecution, detention and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe

biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media. producer phenomena went down to the protests of the high court and caught up with the former u. k. opposition. leader, jeremy colbin, one of the many voices calling for a son just freedom audio, be your message to forest johnson. of course, it's up to him whether julian, the thought is actually for 175 years. i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before you became an m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is a function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the tourists thought the united states, despite many processor around the world, has rolled ahead with its ponds. do you think it will do the st. jude in the song, when it's gotta get past the courts here. and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the

reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of governor, of course pass laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider wall on press? freedom press. freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world, the corruption and the environmental disaster. all the big issues that faces, planet, not going to be sol, is the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make brave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangerous to all of us to climate change. then we need frustrated, real, frustrated, with also seeing on your hail the us whistle blow revealing none of us john strike. he's been up to 5 months. so do you see like the wider warning? listen, julianna's 100 casualties. almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well,

the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up, as i said in my short age, is actually about signing up for freedom. every 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're in the font might commit suicide. well, i have to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health in the situation. the judge recognize that it was a threat to his mental health and he would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was there, there is an out of the a broader movement among european political parties and policies ordinate auction in helping general. yes, there is

a wide movement on this. i raised a matter, for example, the actual session, the counter, the euro. with kevin tv, who's a member of the irish. we've raised sanchez iteration, and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament was one of course, as in the british parliament, by people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today. that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done for julian this on? so actually be afraid what kind of more pressure is to be applied. it's political pressure can be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald from a rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days. of his administration,

well, did many things of this up his head and this is probably one of them, but i would expect president by to do it better than the former labor leader. jeremy kobus speaking to going to go social media producer for our that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for brand new seasons. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then keep in touch with us for like social media and let us know who you'd like to see on the next season of going undergrad. ah, ah ah, [000:00:00;00]

ah, it is, i'll tell you, i've got to stand still dominates the headlines this hour. the biden administration's reportedly changing its policy at cobble airport. now, only americans and nato state citizens will be allowed through plus us green cardholders. there's no further provision at the moment for afghans who work for the coalition. earlier, some employed by foreign states did manage to flee, but that relative remain in the country ferrying retribution from the taliban. we spoke to one translator on condition of complete anonymity because of the risks that remain. i believe that americans are responsible for the technicians. and today's anybody who will be killed as

a result of this will be on the hands of the american government.