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joe biden deploying b 50 to an ac 130 war plains and we put drones as they formally ca, backs taliban sweep across africa. done. we speak to the presidents all that kind of special oh boy. and what is the role of upcoming some neighbor in the country that actually hosted as i'm in love enough and i live and when pockets on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the focus on people's party sherry ref one plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of the journalists who revealed the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak before you think a position either. jeremy corbin outside london. hi court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against a judgment that extradition to the usa might kill him? but 1st, as expected by many the former ca back taliban, sweeping across the f. kennedy, done after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital cobble is president, chef county special envoy for practice. money affairs, moment my dad's i thank you so much special for coming on the show. obviously the

situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared the for the majority in, in the, in the taliban. we got the talks of the talks in cash or would you understand is going on, i suppose, especially on the your remit. as regards the pakistan african border when it comes to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate that sense made this year when the us formally declared that they were parked by september and wanting to be in because the us support to suddenly see, i mean s or c have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take the city there. and actually the alluded to that when there was a visit to moscow that they may not embark on taking the city,

but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically it's fighting, it's a displacement. it's a carrying. the stocks are there, they're green gong, but little hope is now what i should used hoping now attached to that piece drugs and drew on this one or 2 months, what bike stuff, what taliban did strategically was to cut off cobblers, economic lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday the only one that opened it was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened back somewhere. change is taking place. now, god forbid, if government lose that, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there. i mean i should say at the

support according to the, by the ministration. they've increased the number b, 50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials, both in moscow and with officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say that the conditions, the wordings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who are not released and the de listing didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 42 years, and this kind of situation

a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts. they would have lost momentum, so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not in the picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the water. that's what,

that's what that's in horse and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us, we don't see any presence. i mean, in the form of the, the african, the offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center, and perhaps the school could place in less kinda and on their own,

there was no news of some kind of an intervention us in the job, which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the ne, ensure we haven't heard any particular us force intervention. our were the african forces support the one way or the other? you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize africana stone and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and as the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them, who emanate of course, who's in jang and the stabilize russia with the tech minister is becca star boarders. and the same time they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh,

when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us that sponsor really and i hear the same database going on in washington also. particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry, the 8500 troops, presidents in atlantic sustainable. and it wasn't a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against the let's say china or against russia. i mean, that's the, the beat that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very, i see it personally so far. i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from

now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next 2 trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to afghanistan and what evidence to the acting interior minister abdul subs? ms. wells, what evidence does he have seeing the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan? or that i don't know. i don't know. some medic and accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the durham line or why the stall and when

the us supplies were coming through, that's very difficult to verify for a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe that pakistan the government of im, ron khan, is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all these cities and regions? well, that's all he did in the past. 42 years has been involved in this and since the taliban emerge in 1994, there was an in very special rubbing. you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically they are in was that up? i could stand the national seat fighting along side tyler have the been sent by bikes, 30 institutions,

or how they crossed all by themselves. or because started when i did a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well they, they of course deny that. obviously we saw pictures of us or have gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on. the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead a lie given a gun? there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that. but i think that message that i need or his intentions

. i misunderstood. he wants those, there was no political lars or war leaders, whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents. just find the, i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from afghanistan. what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanctions are very different in issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's natural that when there is problem and in one neighboring

country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me, on their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees, they're trying their trying. it's not new by the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other is city because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe. especially boy, thank you. welcome. after the break as pocket sun celebrates independence day to day, we speak to opposition to sherry rock mont, about pentagon allegations. that is, i'm about is aiding the taliban. all listen more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground.

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have is crazy plantation. let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only really and get into this. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk rather driven by a dreamer shaped by those in me dares thing. we dare to ask me.

ah, welcome back. when we spoke to the afghan president special, i was like a sunny affairs as cobble and his lum about seek to cooperate after defeated nato troops retreats from the hindu kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing last land. now on pakistan independence day. joining me from crunchy is parliamentary leader, the focus on peoples body sherry for man. thank you so much and senator, for coming on the show. i mean, you just come out with a book, women's explaining activism. take some modality and budget on how ease with itself is package. thought of the 21 gun, 31 gun salute, and pres, they scream out into the night on national day today will scream out into the day actually and focused on in looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak but dictionary because normally

on the, on the day we look behind the headline, we look toward structure problems. we looked to was the needful for the resilience . but what we're seeing today is an impending theories of challenges practice on have a day resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best phase of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation where are you school more to 65 percent of the population. so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity. these are the problems, especially as the st. right now, the onslaught of yes and out of the book called id,

which is the data very and came in from india con, pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to great, as i said, because i have no, no round the world. the panoramic began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan on any truth and reports we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023. that all these williams that you speak of, and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way if you want me. and the situation really right now is quite,

it's divided and the country really need to move past the construct did narrative is being off of a divided region and we're falling apart right now, which really, from the advantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping taliban, your neighbor in africa, in afghan, it's done. we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us aerial bombardment of afghanistan has caused damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region as we know, the ca forces remaining in afghanistan after the u. s. u. k. troops leave? well, look at what's happening in one son right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure all the american policy of the 3 formation and democracy creation has failed. but

so had the big push in reconciliation with the bond that they have sought to legitimize the giving wrong to and the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have been given power to. so to say now that back a son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that, that on don't me thank to re they live in lash whatever rules and apartment the door. and they also have access to it. know, you know, has a state now there are many, many actors and players interested in the video, but i think the sun is in the front line of those smith, not sure. i'm not child clothes. iran and the taliban are given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nature troops invade the wrong country?

i mean, after 911 sure. they've invaded pakistan because it was package somewhere. some of in london went to obviously you have nuclear weapons and we made it out for native . i think that it's not even a question i could dig seriously. but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, that could have been a conceivable taught. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that don't, but the point, but which is the issue is that packet time is not open for invasion if you'd like to focus on has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting. one of the most difficult and challenging was against slide, and it seemed as at that time it was a war against data, but you know how these curated narrative go? and we have actually lost more blood in treasure,

70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guy out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to focus on it. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that because they've been very invested in fostering in the badlands in the bad old days. and had been listened to pakistan's advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon when there was a balance of power in the field. then perhaps he would not be seen. the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. in other words, why do you think all that is, i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is a $65000000000.00? and one report says a chinese investment in pakistan to china broker,

the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan. should it be majoring now that takes the lead? i think that the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the ability, the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think either has an appetite for any combat rule in the sun and the pointers. but neither this buckets on easy because it catches a call back that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in japanese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those china considers. terrorists are

d stabilized. jang. this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but i why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big venture? i mean, this is like eating. so with the pork, their foreign policy follows a different strategic like to grow their way to countries and the like, do you ex nomic power and for that surely needs to be stable. surely the centralization states and some needs to be stable, but it's not a project that they can take on as they should have been a regional conference long before this that don't that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing, and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken

e lead. so i was russia despite prescribing the thought of on. they've been privately talking since 2018 and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have a stable for a, for, for some length of time to come to negotiate in political political agreements. but right now the started back thing a military solution are all in the back seat. there is a human tragedy on boarding and upon and on. and it's not focused on or on or just just the neighbors got a responsibility. be in dire more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in a response for 20 years. it's done that the rules based international order oper under its own don't you think? so this is sherry recommend having national dan, thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of

u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julie and the san. she's where he leeks organization published the afghan war logs, which pulled the rug and the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison going underground social media producer for hammered, went down to the protest for the high court and caught up with the former u. k. opposition leader. jeremy corbin, one of the many voices calling for sunday's freedom already be your message to forest johnson. of course, it's up to him whether julian thought, actually for a 175 years, i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before he became a m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist during the song is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is a function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that. and of course, we've seen, you've seen as

a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has been rolled ahead with its ponds. do you think it will do the same for doing this on? she wanted to get past the court and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian, us, orange, somebody that is actually uncovered. some very uncomfortable truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as iraq. and we've seen the birth of govern, of course pos, laws against whistleblowers against john list leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider war on press? freedom press freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world, the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and dangerous to all of us to climate change,

then we need frustrated. real press reader was also thing done. you will help us with revealing the casualty of us, john strike. he's been shown up to 5 months. so do you see like the wider warning? listen, julianna's 100 casualties. almost. make sure that others don't follow in his lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. and so us standing up, as i said in my short page, is actually about signing up, press freedom everywhere, and 175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas. for mental health, you think you're in a thumbs might commit suicide if you well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health. in this situation, the judge recognize that a superman was

a threat to his mental health and he would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was moved, there was an answer the a broader movement among european political parties and policies. ordinate auction in helping to yes, the reason why the movement of action on this, i raised the matter, for example, the last 2 sessions accounts to the euro. with gavin td who is a member of the irish goes right through the songs celebration and we were supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament run, of course, as in the british parliament and by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today. that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done? for julian, the songs that actually be free, what kind of more pressure is to be applied?

it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the bite and ministration to continue with donald from rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days of his administration well, did many things of the top his head, and this is probably one of them, but i would expect pressed him by to do better than formerly believe jeremy call been speaking to going, undergoing social media producer fraud albert that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for a brand new season. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then, keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see. on the next season of going undergrad, join me every thursday on the alex simon show. and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics sport,

business. i'm show business. i'll see you then me the in the wake of the town a ban shock take the whole bus gun is done un agencies born of food shortages within weeks u. n. a chief in the country told us of a growing humanitarian catastrophe. needs or enormous community population are needed. and most important seen right now to provide so that we can provide impartial systems to the people from. meanwhile, attention still further, it's kind of back to us and allies of the consequences. it depend to kinda withdraw deadline isn't on the 31st of august. and early some afghans employed by foreign states did manage to flee, but there are, this is the remain in the country faring work for.