ah dares think we dare to ask me? ah, the ah, i'm actually in return senior. what's going on the ground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show. reports of over a 1000 dead job by deploying b 50 to an ac 130 war planes. and we put drones as they formerly ca, back to taliban suite, because again,

it's done. we speak to the president of that kind of special boy. and what is the role of afghanistan's neighbor, the country that actually hosted his i'm in love enough, america levon. when pockets on independence day to day, we speak to the parliamentary leader, the focus on people's party chevy ref one. plus julian assange and the continued persecution in london of journalists who revealed the extent of secrecy and lies in afghanistan. we speak for music positionally, the jeremy kobus outside of high court is joe biden. when is the right to appeal against the judgment that extradition to the usa might kill him? but 1st, as expected by many the former ca back taliban is sweeping across. i can, it's done. after defeated us and u. k. troops began fleeing the globally strategic country. joining me now from the water nation's capital. cobble is president. chef. got his special on board for buck is funny affairs moment. my dad's i thank you so much so much for coming on the show. obviously the situation is moving quickly. we've had all week different towns declared for the majority in the,

in the taliban. we got the talks at the talks in coffee. and what you understand is going on, i suppose, especially on the your remit. as regards the pakistan african border when it comes to the retaking of all these towns and cities and regions. so it's unfortunate since made this year when the us formally declared that they were parked by september was exacerbated in because the us support to suddenly see, i mean s or c have been taking over quite quickly districts. and then we were told that they may not take the city there and actually alluded to that when they want to moscow that they may not embark on taking city. but they did. the dominant news now is, was basically it's fighting, it's

a displacement. it's a carrying the stocks are there, they're going gone. but little hope is now what i should used hoping know attached to the piece drugs and drew on this one or 2 months. what bikes, what other bundles strategically was to cut off carbon as it cannot be? lifeline. so like we did in almost all border crossing we did on monday, the only one that so funded was back and then there are 2 border crossing opened which is taking place. now. god forbid, if government lose that, then it could be a konami can easily suffocated. just winding back there. i mean i should say the supports according to the by the ministration. they've increased the number b,

50 twos, the a. c, $130.00 gun ships and, and the drones j using the taliban lied to the russians. and to the chinese, obviously the taliban was speaking with the officials, both in moscow and with the officials of the chinese communist party. when i lived in watson what, what did they said? they wouldn't that they said you just said they, they said they wouldn't be taking the cities and then they did. i wouldn't to be a lie. i would say that the conditions, the wordings to the disease of president and also de listing since the 7000, the president who released the de listing didn't take faith. they took that as an excuse. but also, as i understand, because i've been in this kind of situation for the 42 years, and this kind of situation a wanting group will not like to lose momentum. so if they stop that,

i can get 50 after taking over a lot of districts, then they would have lost momentum. so therefore they embark on it and they took that to their lack of i'm in that denial of leave of prison, those as an excuse. what is the extent of ca, involvement on the ground? there are reports that while biden intends on withdrawing troops, that the ca is expanding operations. you know the stories of the ca backed and trained death squads that emerged at the end of 2020 schools of afghan civilians allegedly being killed by ca, train dead squads of a increasing across the of august and afghan border. i'm not in the picture with that. i think the only force that was linked to ca, that still active in the war. that's what it was called. keep that's in horse. and a portion of them is now shifted to canada and us,

we don't see any presence. i mean in the form of the, the african offshoots. i don't see them. and one of the reason that they're bombardment is not efficient. i mean, if the b, b, 50 twos are active, they cannot be efficient because they don't have a ground present. any schools being bombed by the us warplanes there been reports of civilian infrastructure being damaged by the american bombing in the past few days. it's very hard to you to verify, but there were claims that bombardment of the hospital a business center and perhaps the school could place in less kind of god. and they all their own. he knew there was no news of some kind of intervention us in the job,

which is the nearest province outside cobbled to the northeast. in sure, we haven't heard any particular us force intervention. our were the african forces support the one way or the other? you don't think some people in washington see this policy as when, when they remove the troops, they destabilize afghanistan and allow islam ism and these groups. i know that the, the african government is also connected to them. and as the stabilizing china with the east coast on terrorists, as the chinese call them, who emanates of go through in jang, and the stabilize russia with the tech manage done is becca star, board is. and at the same time, they don't have to pay so much. they've spent 4 trillion maybe on these was after 911. it's a great victory for washington. oh, when that's not how people are honest and see. i mean people blame us. that last

sponsor really and i hear the same database going on and in washington also, particularly people who served it up on a stand in the past 20 years and the diplomatic field in military. they're criticizing job by the decision that it was done in a hurry, the 8500 troops, presidents, enough, understand what sustainable it wasn't. a big cost for the us not to be able to bear in respect to win win against. let's say china or against russia. i mean that's the d b that we have to wait for it to see who wins at the moment. very. i see it personally so far. i mean, the administration that was born in the conference, it was built based on the international consensus. but now whatever happened from now on, it's going to be better based on the regional consensus. so the initiative is now

more in the region then in europe and in washington, let's just go to the region and i should say it's when, when, arguably, until the next trustee in new york and washington, which is why they said they went to get it done and what evidence to the acting interior minister or ms. wells, whatever it says you have the seeing the taliban and moving tanks to pakistan or that i don't know. i don't know. some medic and accidents had been seen across the line used by people. those included these pick up so the how we, whether the taliban took them over across the urine line or why they stole in when the us supplies were coming through. that's very difficult to verify for

a person like me. i'm sure the us taxpayer will love to hear about that. do you believe that package on the government of him run con is involved in what is happening in afghanistan as regards the takeover of all the cities and regions? well, that's all he did in the past. 42 years by spam has been involved in this done. and since the taliban emerge in 1994, they were very special to robin. you are the special envoy. so is that happening now? i cannot say militarily, politically, they involve that up by cosigning national c. fighting alongside side tyler have the been sent by bikes, 30 institutions or how they crossed by themselves. or because started whether i did a logical entity and they have ideological connections to the other organizations.

and bikes, whether they're supporting, it's very hard for me to verify. well, they of course deny that. obviously, we saw pictures of us or have gone with general, dost him? what is the difference really, for a person living in one of these towns and cities being taken between government by the taliban, or government from cobble in terms of girls schools and so on? the warlord, i mean general dalston did you like seeing those pictures? you think a person known for gross human rights violations should be an ally of your government and your lead. like every gun there were question marks in my mind also when i side or when i attended one or one or 2 of them. i do have a question marks about that, but i think that message that i need or his intentions. i misunderstood. he wants dozer warner or political lars, or war leaders,

whatever you called him to help mobilizing huge to participate or to, to become part of the army and police. yeah, but that hasn't happened in 20 years over over casa for other other presidents just find the i want to ask about iran and the refugee problem. iran is taken 800000, maybe a 1000000, maybe more than a 1000000 refugees from last canister. and what do you think about britain in the united states sanctioning iran, even as it comes to the aid of all these people seeking asylum from? what's now happening in f canister? sanctions are very different issue. it's a long time you should between iran and the us. iran is a neighbor and it's not that when there is problem in one neighboring country and people cross to the other one where they made him feel safer and where the me on

their bread and butter more. will they also come to britain? do you think the refugees trying they're trying, it's not new for the past many years, but i am sure it's going to increase because the prices of housing is going down in carbon and other cities because people are selling their houses to use that money to cross over to europe, especially i thank you. welcome. after the break, as pakistan celebrates independence day to day, we speak to opposition lead to sherry rock mon about pentagon allegations, that is i'm about is aiding the taliban. all listen more coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even from station let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,

very political time. time to sit down and talk the welcome back. in part, when we spoke to the asking the president special, i was like a sunday affairs as cobble and his lama seek to go operate after defeated nato troops retreat from the hindu kush. this is of can it's done in the usa accuses pakistan of supporting the taliban, which is sweeping through the water nation, recapturing los lan now on pakistan, independence day. joining me from crunchy is parliamentary leader, the focused on people's body sherry for the mind. thank you. so much and senator for coming on the show, i mean, you just come out with a book, women explaining activism, politics, modality and budget on how ease with itself is pockets thought of the $21.00 gun,

31 gun salute. and pres, they scream out into the night on national day to day. what does cream out into the day actually? and focused on in looking at a very difficult couple of years ahead as we speak, particularly because normally on the, on the day we look behind the headline, we look toward structure problems we looked at was the needful for the resilience. but what we're seeing today is an impending theory of challenges. practice on have a be resilient population. we have wonderful women at the best phase of the country and yet discrimination. just like all of us out the show, we have a situation. where are you going to 65 percent of the population?

so they have particular needs such as jobs and a demographic that needs a and to read in that is not polluted. so climate stress, bio diversity. these are the problems, especially as the phase right now. the onslaught of yes and out of the book, which is the data very and came in from india are gone pretty many words about it. i would like to transmit a message of hope and a resilience which again, i think comes from the women. but i think we do have to race, as i said, because i have no new around the world. the panoramic began arguably in china, close ally of pakistan on any truth and reports. we're hearing in some media of a joint p t i p p. p ticket for 2023, that all these problems that you speak of,

and chinese investment, skewing the political landscape to make the possibility that you and iran con, will be good friends soon. i'm not seeing any such gold post on the way. if you ask me, and the situation really right now is quite, it's divided and the country really needs to move past the construct. did narrative is being off of a divided region and we're falling apart right now, which really from the vantage can cause a lot of anxiety. you know that the pentagon is saying that pakistan is involved in helping the taliban. your neighbor in f. f ken, it's done, we just heard from the special envoy. we were talking about reports that us aerial bombardment of afghanistan has cause damage to schools and hospitals. what are you hearing about american involvement in the region is we know the ca forces remaining

in afghanistan after the u. s. u. k. troops leave one look at what's happening and one sound right now is a ground 0 off american ambition. the failure, all the american policy of the pre formation and democracy creation had failed. but so had the big push in reconciliation with the thought about that they have to legitimize and give room to the 5000 prisoners from a 100 prisoners that they have given power to. so to say, now that baka son is responsible for she's not giving thanks judy that, that man, don't me. thanks judy. they live in lash whatever rules that apartment the door and they also have access to it. i know it has a state now. there are many,

many actors and players interested in the british. but i think the sun is in the front line of those smith. not sure. i'm not child clothes. iran and the taliban are given that iran has taken in around 800000, maybe a 1000000 more than a 1000000 refugees. did nato troops invade the wrong country? i mean, after 911, should they have invaded pakistan because it was packaged somewhere somewhere in london. went to obviously you have nuclear weapons, it would have made it out if a native i think that it's not even a question i can stick seriously. but, but given the nature of an outcomes of some american fathers, he could have been a conceivable tort. i'm not saying that nuclear weapons that are deterrents, but the point, but which is the issue is that involve open for invasion if you'd like to focus on

has been a country that has been on the front lines of fighting one of the most difficult and challenging was again slighted extenders, and at that time it was a war against. but you know how these curated narrative go? and we have actually lost large blood in treasure, 70000 people in the last down and actually succeeded in eliminating or moving guys out of the region which the americans used to concede. they have to be around 2020, now cause all the regrouping you see directed to pakistan it's. there's also, i think they're all white bed for a shifting of blame. and i'm surprised that the pentagon is doing that. they've been, they invested in fostering in the badlands in the bad old days and had been listened to pakistan advice on went to start a conversation with the thought of bon, when there was

a balance of power in the field. then perhaps he would not be seen the civil war that we are pretending is not taking place. and when, why do you think all that is? i mean, you got to how many 1000000000 is $65000000000.00? one report says of chinese investment in pakistan to china broker, the regional talks between the neighbors, iran, pakistan and afghanistan. should it be may, june. now the take the lead, i think the best way forward would have been a multi lateral or regional solution to this because the region is invested in the ability, the central asian country, the china and russia. but i don't think i've ever had an appetite for any combat rule in the sun. and the point just been over this buckets on easy because it catches a call back that ends up sneezing very rapidly. but isn't that, isn't this

a when i mean i off this is a special envoy, isn't it a win win for washington? d. stabilizers pakistan which is allied closely with majoring in japanese investment. it re stabilizes russia. obviously the taliban is allied to those. china considers terrorists are destabilization. jang, this is all good for some policy makers in washington. yes, but i don't subscribe to conspiracy anywhere. but i why would china want to take on the responsibility of such a big bench? i mean this is like eating. so with the pork their foreign policy follows a different strategic like to grow their way to countries and they like to use economy. and for that surely needs to be stable. surely this innovation states and son needs to be stable. but it's not a project that they can take on as get,

and they should have been a regional conference long before this that took that shared responsibility. now they should have been sharing and that has not happened just to say that now. well, you know, china should take this on. well, china has 30 lead taken, e lead. so russia, despite proscribing with all of us, they've been privately talking since 2018. and, and even hosting conferences, there is an interest in all the stakeholders. do have a stable for, for, for some length of time to come to negotiate political political agreements. but right now the thing a military solution are all in the bad be there is a human tragedy on boarding and and it's not focused on or on, or just just the neighbor responsibility be in dire, you know,

more than i don't know, 40 countries i've been sitting in atlanta for 20 years, it's done that the rule based international order oper under its own don't you think? so this is sherry right. want having natural dan, thank you. well, if one man was responsible for revealing to the world, the extent of u. k. u. s. secrets about there was after $911.00. it is julie in the san. she's where he leeks organization publish the afghan war logs, which pull the rug and the circle. mainstream media reporting of the war in afghanistan is reward, has been persecution, detention, and torture. and this week he lost his latest school battle against joe biden's administration. he faces 175 years in prison, going underground social media, producer for knowledge, went down to the protest. i caught and caught up with the former u. k. opposition leader jeremy colbin. one of the many voices calling for sunday's freedom already be your message to forest johnson. of course it's up to him whether

julian thought, actually for a 175 years, i would say devoris johnson, you've made your life before he became a m p. as a journalist, a career as a journalist, judy, and so on, is uncovered and lots of uncomfortable traits around the world. that is the function of true journalism. and i think that far as johnson should reflect on that . and of course, we've seen, you've seen as a campaign across the united states, despite many protests around the world has steamrolled. i had its plan. do you think it will do the same for doing this on? she wanted to get past the courts here, and it's got to recognize that there are millions of people around the world that say in julian assault, somebody that is actually uncovered some very uncomfortable. truth can tell the reality of decision to go to war, such as in iraq. and we've seen the birth of govern, of course pos, laws against whistleblowers against john with leaking from the government. do you think this is a wider war on press? freedom press. freedom is essential in a free society. it's essential to deal with the problems of the world,

the corruption, the environmental disaster, all the big issues that faces time is not going to be sol. if the truth covered up, uncovered by real german to make grave steps and brave decisions to uncover corruption and the dangers to all of us to climate change, then we need frustrated real, frustrated with also seeing daniel hale, the us whistle blow revealing the casualty of us john strike. he's been up to 45 months. so do you see like, the wider warning? listen, julianna's sandra casualty almost make sure that others don't follow and lead. well, the way that it has been treated is really a threat to all journalists. and it's an example to all of them as well. i'm so us standing up on my short page is actually about signing up press freedom every

175 years. he faces in a super max prison. we've seen un human rights report thing. these are some of the world's most abusive areas for mental health. you think you're nathan's might commit suicide if you well, i hate to be told you about somebody's private to try to mental health. in this situation, the judge recognize that it was a mental health and it would be a very, very serious risk in suicide. if he was there, there is an out of the abroad, a movement among european political parties involved to hold an auction in. helping generous on. yes, there is a wide movement on this. i raised the matter, for example, the last 2 sessions accounts to the euro. with gavin td who is a member of the irish goes right through the songs celebration and we were

supported by a lot of other colleagues. it will also, i believe, has been right in the european parliament run, of course, as in the british parliament and by the people in parliament all over the world. but it's not just parliament, it's public opinion such as you see here today. that's going to make a difference. i just finally, what more do you think needs to be done? for julian, the songs to actually be free? what kind of more pressure is to be applied? it's political pressure to be applied and i hope political oppression pressure that can be applied in the united states on this because clearly it is a decision of the by the ministration to continue with donald trump rather bizarre appeal that was launched in the dying days of his administration well, did many things of the top his head, and this is probably one of them, but i would expect president barton to do better than formerly believe jeremy call been speaking to going, undergoing social media producer for had that's it for one of your favorite episodes of the season will be back on september the 8th for

a brand new season. still uncovering the stories varied by the so called mainstream media until then, keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see. on the next season of going undergrad. ah, a 2nd trip down memory lane through the history books talk about geo politics. other was a 100 years ago, 150 years ago from some big brain similar to looking at the big map and how that's relevant today. the. the news the

news in the wake of the taliban shot over the gun is stand. the white house says it did not evacuate earlier to avoid, to complete the crisis of confidence in the african government, but admit that the late response had failed to stop that from happening. anyway. also this, i was un food agencies, one about gun shortages within weeks. the group stayed chief in the country, tells us, the growing humanitarian catastrophe. needs are enormous. also the population are most important. seeing right now, these 2 are wide. so that weekend or while partial systems to the people from gartner, some afghans employed by foreign states did manage to flee the country, but their relatives remain and retribution from the taliban. we spoke to one translator.