no moment, but what do you make of all these journalists suddenly talking about an a so group, when, when you, when you were doing this, i don't know a decade ago, was it? yeah, i mean we did to point out the seriousness of this business to 10 years ago, almost 10 years. but i mean, i'm going to say, i'm important story and now i mean they do have evidence of wrongdoing. however, i mean, for those who have been following the industry for years and years and know that actually on december 1st, 2011, we can publish internal documents exposing the incredible scope for these privatized by companies and the servers they were offering to this particular gm's and targeting activities and political opponents, and i'm general. so at that time actually,

and if you go to the website website, we can do sort. org. you can reflect on that one what could be described. there was exactly the same thing that we have seen come to the surface and getting attention in 2011. when the duty on a silence was launching this publication. another press conference to the university is that story got very little fraction that to me. and i was very surprised at the time because it was such a strong revelation. strong story, but it has taken 10 years now to maybe reach to pollution. maybe people are now ready to upset the fact that these are spy tools that they can be carrying. but it does come much surprise to to us we can do that, chris, and i better just ask you, what should we do? you presume?

here in a person of interest to us and governments, i know that in spain about the surveillance by ca, linked companies of jeffrey robinson qsc talking to julian sons. you have a phone there. how frightened you? i mean, edward snowden, who will, you will help to get to safety. and moscow said, take the same cut out when you want when you want total privacy. i mean, is that what we're supposed to do? you have to always expect that your, your phone has been meddled and i have been it's very difficult to detect think than coordinate people it's, it's not that easy to see. actually a years ago, 11 expert in the field told me, well, i mean, the only symbol that you can sort of read into your phone has been tampered with is the fact that the battery will die and go down very quick. that means that somebody is basically using a remote to your, your, your, your phone,

your device spying to when i was doing regular reporting. i remember hearing about how the drug dealers, where operating with the old mobile phones when they were meeting because they were afraid of being under surveillance by police. they will put their phones from the freezer that had the discussion. so, i mean, you should simply always assume that this is basically taking away your privacy and security, or nobody is the cure. in today's world, we just live in the environment. now, anisette group has given us the statement. they've been talking about this and they say, and it's a group is a life on a life saving mission. and the company will faithfully execute this mission. undeterred, despite any and all continued attempts to discredited on false grounds, that's what the israeli company is saying. they used to break

a p t affiliate sex drug trafficking rings, nothing to do with attacking new york times journalists and journalists from you know, reuters in the economist, lifesaving mission. anyone who lives in. ready the painters abusing this technology to go out of their political opponents. so do you not the lives of distance. ringback activities, we have no prob, i mean, roof about this and, and i should also say pension funds apparently here in britain invest in n s. so. so does that mean in capitalist countries where investing, i mean we're paying our taxes. you see that go into the military industrial complex and also private pension funds are investing in a so group. i mean i, we all paying for our own we are, it's just giving, i must understand. there's only one company of many. i mean,

10 years ago we pointed out this was a multi 1000000000 dollar industry. we were calling out the pointing out the fact that this had to be regulated just the weapons industry, but nobody listened at that time. so it is unregulated and can easily be weaponized or we are calling this company, let's call it pull. what it really is. i mean, these are intelligence services. and you know, i intend to say that we should call them non state hostile intelligence services, and the hostility is against the individuals against privacy and against the dimensions of our democracy, democratic society. yeah, i mean, they say they vet their clients a love, but there's another way of approaching this story. the 50000 phone numbers which and so says is the equivalent of opening the wide pages and choosing these numbers randomly. it is that a lot of these media groups,

they be accused of being involved in the government lies that get nato nations into wars. we leeks not appealing for the very information that may have been the may have been got through. and so pegasus spyware. so that we can find out the links between the journalist and so go mainstream media and the military industrial complex. the persuade, their populations into wars that killed wound or displaced tens of millions of people. i'm not going to encourage buying on journalists and all. i think it's disgusting practice. but it has been going on for quite a long time. you pointed out to the beginning that lawyers had inspired or gone by a private contractor. so could security company out of spain in the embassy, when julia massage was there. but on top of that, when there was a lot of journalists that came to visit julia,

we have evidence that several journalists with spider, by this company, and including because they had to leave their phones with this company. for certainly they were used as infiltrated mist, malware and information was expected from that case because he's in spain. obviously we don't have guards fighting on this either. but you know that the u. k . god, you and your old media partner doesn't appear to be giving much prominence to a key witness in the trial here in london. one of the key witnesses for the united states government admitting he was lying about all his allegations. why do you think the guardian is not interested in that report, or any of the publications that are listed in this peg as a spyware report? i haven't seen the reuters news flash, that the most famous journalists in the world. the key witness against him as admitted his line. well, it as little traction so far. i know that, you know,

some of the major means remitted doing without working on stories based just from the, the, the invoice of journalists where she broke that story. so let's give it a little time. it's a complicated story, but i mean, the essence of it is we, we kind of get time, can we? because there's a heat wave here in london. i don't know what the temperatures are in bell marsh. i don't know what the covert situation is in bell much the united nation special or apple jurors repeatedly meet on this program and it gives the british start is being involved in torture. there is no time is if you're right, it must be free to mediately that it is absurd that he is sitting in the prison victory in court. and generally for it, it's just absolutely absurd that he would be sent back to the prison was as creating a condition which was underlying the decision by the judge to actually been my explanation. and talking about procedure, i mean,

i'm trying to the point of them and where on earth somebody sit in a jail for 6 months. plus a wiley high court is coming to the decision whether to allow an appeal or not 6 months and a half a year. that's. that's absurd. it's a human rights violation that we would be condemning in any other country. this new revelation of blowing such a hole in the narrative by the americans in the entire it's cited in the on numerous occasions in the judge rates are ruling on january 4th. which means basically that the united states government was misleading a u. k. court. that's very syringe. ok, well the news here in britain is not about that. in fact, the world global mainstream news had time to talk about jeff bezos going to space. that's a much more important story than the daughter of the most famous publisher in the world. maybe amazon quick to shut down a w s. their web serve as

a system for and as so the israeli pegasus system of driving international started talking about all this spyware. great success, then, no problem. i know that we have often talked about amazon's close links to the intelligence services. i mean, that's so that's so that should not be the end of it. i mean, there must be an outcry in the, in the public. and as we've said for 10 years, and i was doing the trans pointed out 10 years ago, i mean, the nice it needs to be a regulation. it's interesting. ok, i'm sure amazon, it's just an online bookshop. obviously, i just, finally, i mean, you know, time and time again, those defending wiki leaks have talked about the us constitution about norms, international norms. the secretary pretty battelle year who she was just grace previously actually for di as to israel. she has got a consultation baby here, the home office on the official secrets act that some say make,

makes leaks criminal. i mean we helix has always said, look, we're doing what journalists are supposed to do, you know, watergate kind of things. what do you make of the possibility that governments may say, i know there's a simple way to avoid the kind of legal problems that they're having to try and imprison, assigns for 175 years, make the kind of thing, the wiki likes to illegal, per se, april, all right, well i mean that is exactly what the is the essence of the incitement against julian and spain. cp criminalizing journalists, and what should be of interest to people in britain is back. during the tradition hearing, we saw an attempt to read the fine or, or defined the official secrets act in the same manner. so as to just like sample is being shut because it has to be

a jewel criminology. it has before the last, but what is alleged in an indictment has to be a crime in the u. k. so basically what, what the, what was merging out of the extradition process was a redefinition of the journalist alignment. and basically yes, publishing and classified information coming from a lee is a crime. so that's cream and legend journalism. by remote, there's a in the question, robertson, thank you. and as i said, n s o group has said the statement to us that there is no link between the 50000 numbers do. and so google pegasus and their technology was not associated in any way with the murder. would you mark shoji and that full statement can be found online or below this video? if you're watching on youtube after the break? forget the cayman islands are panama co founder. the tax justice network tells us

why the u. k. in the u. s. top the leader board for the best off shore attack savings in the world. all this and coming up in part 2 of going on the ground. the only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking that is a nation's allowed to do anything. all the master races and then you have the mind, a nation, so all the slaves americans, proc obama and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as

long as serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist by turning those russians into this dangerous volume man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so i'm going to noon, i english v i v. i not leashed off in one and tablet block nato. it's our we move east. the reason us had jimmy is a dangerous is the lie, the sovereignty of other countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature, what is founded, shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large companies would lose millions and millions or is business and business is good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is fashion. so

what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally and get into this. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk me the welcome back. while increasing numbers have been finding it difficult to feed themselves in the u. k. a u. s. during the global current of ours, pandemic, some of the in raking in the cash. as here in britain, 130000 have been killed by coven. how? so joining me that from cambridge here is the co founder of the tax justice net to

a contacts research u. k. director professor richard murphy. thanks so much bye for coming on. so we know that there was a scandal over the weekend about prime minister barak johnson exempting himself from ice. elation we've got the health secretary, obviously with co bid, and we got a lot of stuff at the moment about the former prime minister david cameron's lobbying allegations. how corrupt has the johnson governments response to corona virus? been in your estimation until this government came along. i had never dad call a u. k. gotten corrupt. i was busy and that was a pretty i'm well, i think today because it was got to be pretty risky with regard to the locals. a frankly, i don't think anyone have any concern about quoting this government crop. now because the evidence today over whelming, this government is pursuing its business in a fashion that is corrupted, favoring its own ministers. on some occasions with contracts, mat hancock got

a contract from his own department from which he benefited something which by any reasonable definition of corruption might be involved in anti corruption campaign in some way for 2 decades. anyone would say it's unacceptable. we see form administered lobby in ways apparently would be unacceptable in many countries. we see bar as johnson frankly distorting the true telling light slowly without apparently any concern knowing that he will be found out and appear to be indifferent to the consequences. so this is a government that is, in my opinion, absolutely rotten to the call that have absolutely no shred of credibility, which is bluntly pursuing policies now, which show that it is completely indifferent to the well being of the people or the u. k. they are playing games with people in this country, putting their lines of risk, putting the lives of young people in particular risk dammit, my children, late teens and 20 children at risk because they're not for the vaccinated because

it wants to do something which is awfully reckless. in terms of the kind of i, i find it hard to contain my anger with regard to this government because i think a reasonable person should be angry with this. government was, you know, bars strong denies, not only the dominic cummings is top advisors allegations disgraced former health secretary mat hankle after allegations about his mistress and lobbying denies all wrong doing as does the former prime minister on the former prime minister. we've got to, we went to the treasury committee saying he did absolutely nothing wrong sending messages to ministers after leaving the house of parliament, it seems on behalf of greenfield capital, which made loans of 350000000 to liberty steel which employs $3000.00 workers. i mean, why would the treasury committee itself say, you know, cameron is innocent? this isn't corruption, he's been cleared. well, i beg to differ with the treasury committee. why would the treasury commit to do

this? well, a because it has a concert, the parking georgie, frankly to out parliament. all parliamentarians know that there is nothing they can do to challenge the government atc for georgie. however, elected by a minority of people in the u. k. we must always remember that the consequence of having a 1st call supposed to electro system which is to be unfit for purpose. we give a government like this one, a massive majority which left to exonerate itself to blame for what it's done and exonerate. previous 5 minutes, this the blame for what they've done. i flies the official whitewash to the action, but which action is basically representing a minority of people that come to minority. but as you know, paul show bars johnson won't popular than ever. and that's after we heard that the sleep watch dog is going to have one of his old bullying. been friends on the bullying? didn't club famous for? well, the allegations are, they used to burn 50 pound notes in front of the homeless people. what was your

reaction to that, sir? as the gram chair of the committee, savage and public life has its pathetic and inappropriate it is. i mean, what else can i say? it's pathetic and inappropriate would, would appointing a chump a person who has less be honest, being a member of an organization which clearly works on the basis of the bias within society. the billing club was set up to celebrate the privilege, and frankly, the abuse, the privilege provide the opportunity to deliver. now it's adding, being appointed to look at sleep in society. and i do not think that is a clear and objective appointment that in how she lives would think was fair and appropriate. so i will use those measure. it was if i can to describe this appointment, but it is clearly not appropriate. and this is the whole thing that we're saying within the capture of the processes of government by ok, a party,

if you still the most popular in the u. k, which does not reflect the majority interest. now my suggestion is that we can see also a significant change in popularity. the concert tonight in the u. k is never going to probably enjoy support of less than 30 percent of the electorate. that just seems to be it's hard core support. and that would never get to majority and comment. once we see the current kind of a crisis develop and you've got to read the sensible epidemiologist. so an existence in the u. k. the people on independence age for example, look at that forecasts and caveat forecasts. i mean, i'm used to looking for costs and statistical data, and i know that a full cost is not a certainty, but look at all the range forecast. so what we're seeing is that we're going to be hundreds of thousands of people getting it every day. we see a significant rise in hospitalization. we all go to see a lot of people die over the course of the rest of this year. almost certainly within weeks we hope to see the country back in lot that and again because that is the only way we will. okay. well i mean, you know,

you're not epidemiologist but apparently that's good for the economy. but my point is that once all those things, once these reverses happen, once johnson is found out from them most cool, absolute promise you may be, it's over locked down. it's finished, we've got freedom. i think we're going to see a significant change this popular market. every government comes to the point where it's loc from. okay. all right, well we'll see because some people are going to say that actually stano who hasn't really opposed this government to time and time again, that the opposition for international views and actually between storm and john. so they might have a majority even on 1st plus the post. what might i mean? but let's come to stone then i mean, i could have stolen. i didn't see why shouldn't be like many. i really would like to know what the lead to the opposition is. doing because he doesn't appear to be opposing the government to the fact, it will be sure that he might like to read the job title. it is leader of the opposition, which require to be actually stand up. and now course johnson likes to claim that

that's unpacked. realty to oppose the government, but actually when this government is clearly failing, thomas should be offering. it'll tell that it's offering alternatives to go to this court issue a candid offering and all times division of the society that we want in the u. k. one where they are decent public services where their coffee from the warehouse ation is fair. and when, for example, at this very moment, there's discussion on social care, how to fund care for the elderly in the u. k. and the proposal that we're hearing from the government is that this may well be an extra tax on those who chorused in the economy. and those who are youngest in fighting at this government. so often those tensions between the have the elderly and large, as i have said that you can call me and i have not the young and in fighting creature between the rich and the poor. we should at this very moment be actually imposing taxes on wealth in the u. k. obviously, i mean i'm sure those in the lead to watching this will say jeremy corbin did offer that and it was rejected at the ballot box,

but that's go to our international view as i just say to lack of there was an election the international view is especially the rich ones watching. why do you think britain is one of the greatest tax havens in the world? now, that's something to be proud of. surely. i've written 2 books on tax havens and i've also this opinion that britain is now one of the biggest tax savings in the world. and i will give you the explanation in a few numbers. there are 4700000 companies in the u. k. we can't explain why a population of size need so many companies, the tax or if he's only off the tax returns from $2000000.00, all those companies and half of the rest say, we are not trading. please do not trouble us by asking for a tax return. and then the u. k. we say, yeah, that's right. we want to ask you for information of the ones that do submitted to mation. a significant number say they have no profits and the number of investigations is tiny. so if you want to set up a company somewhere, which is not going to make displeasure, come to the u. k. pay 15 pounds for your company. signed no physical documents to

do so, provide no proof of identity, which you would have to do so in any the recognized fact based in the well form your company that trade for a while and then get rid of it. and literally the company's house in the u. k. will get rid of your company on payment of 10 pounds and the declaration that is never traded, whether that is true or not. so this is the place which provides the greatest opportunity for tax cheats in the world. now we should be clear saying that back in the power will not, i don't understand why we want to undermine our own economy by providing the opportunity for tax cheats to thrive within it. to provide the people of many other countries to what the cheat taxes in their own country is the opportunity to do that. but frankly, it is easy to for the company, it is easy to t t t taxes. in fact, your goal using a u. k. healthy now that a company, a jersey, the payment british regina is almost whatever you like tonight. ok, this isn't an advert. for instance,

for the rich i was just thinking about. but i mean, could even co, with vaccine companies were doing there apparently is going to switzerland in delaware, we were presenting it in britain as a new delaware, but install this joe biden, after all his going for this global corporate tax rate. sure, you are celebrating that agenda yellen announcing the global minimum corporation tax, or will it just encourage companies to go to countries that don't have it? i do celebrate this deal. is it perfect? not it better than anything i could imagine. 7 months ago when you might remember, we had a president trump in the white house. this was going to be impossible at that time . now we're talking about the possibility of actually having a us lead. but international coalition of a $130.00 nation states, agreeing to set up a minimum global tax rate that 50 percent. now, they're all cap. yes. the caveat thought applies to some very large companies. it

is going to buy large pay the additional taxes to countries like the usa and the u . k. a not to the developed countries of the world that may well need that money more than you can. the usa do right now tickler the time when they are on the stress as well and measures in this be able to tackle the tech companies look to be pretty hard hearted. it's better than no deal in terms of moral leadership biking is providing some here. so i've got to congratulate him on that. i've got to say that this is a step in the right direction. there are big flaws. one of the very big flaws in this is that it is dependent upon the quality of the accounting information provided by these companies. and i am a professional child. so the counts and some of the various roles i play and i am well aware of the game that my profession plays and the opportunities that they

take to manipulate numbers to suit their purposes, shall i, would you like that? and this could be a game that he's now going to be paid, that companies will be restating and reorienting the way which they provide their accounts to try to avoid the tax bills that they should be owing. i'm wired about that. there is still campaigning to do. the door is not closed on this deal as yet . so that could be reform. i'm certainly gotta be putting quite a lot of effort in seeing whether we can improve it between now and october when the opportunity closes reservation. thank you. that's it for one of your favorite episode of the season will be back on september the 8th for a brand new season. still uncovering the stories buried by the so called mainstream media until then keep in touch with us for social media and let us know who you'd like to see on the next season of going undergrad. ah, a military mission against them. we'll conclude on august 31st

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