i lose. ah ah, at least 13 people have been killed more than 50 others injured into explosion. downside cobble apples according to reports for us soldiers were among the wind. taliban earlier said that an attack on cobble as what was possible and mighty, i ended calming the groups image. the problem is that

a huge number of people have gathered near the airport and there is a threat that the single person, one person alone can carry out an attack and killed people in order to damage the taliban reputation. ah, good evening and thanks for joining us. here on our t c, international waste on our broadcast with breaking news. coming out of afghanistan, there have been 2 explosions near the international airport to cobble for a kale tic evacuation. i thought that was already on the way ahead of the u. s. military pullout. so the end of the month, according to report is in the area, 13 people at least have been killed with some 70 others, latest estimates. now of people being injured among those hurt is believe 5 us marines. the attacks come just hours after western governments had warned all the impending, the threat so far,

no claims of responsibility. the tunnel on earlier early down played those warnings so they said that they were a provocation. didn't consider them to be particularly high level considerations. but they are now saying that their own gods, none of the telephone had been injured in that blast, as well as women and children. now there are unconfirmed reports that a terrorist group called isis k and afghan affiliate of islamic state may have been behind the attack. the report suggested the explosion had been carried out by a suicide bomber. a subsequent gunfire was also heard following the explosions. or the pentagon, this confirmed both explosions. batton's call says the 1st was carried out by suicide bomber the 2nd, they believe was a car bomb. second explosion happened near the barren hotel. that is where the british american citizens have been based in recent days as they have

a way to do evacuation. during a recent media conference, itala bon spokesperson had warned of a possible attack on combat. the problem is that a huge number of people have gathered near the airport and there is a threat that the single person, one person alone can carry out an attack and killed people in order to damage the taliban reputation. this is not a significant, not a big threat. we're monitoring the situation at the airport. but okay, let's go like to carbo correspond rodriguez. the of his on the ground for his morale . the latest information we heard was at least 13 dead and possibly up to 70. now injured what more information if you go well, the casualty count was going to be immense. any way you look at that, considering the circumstances right now at the airport of campbell,

it is very difficult to describe to you an entire airport many, many, many kilometers. it's a comfort and it is, it is surrounded by people. it is surrounded by crowds, especially the checkpoints where the press sees it's, it's crazy to see it to see if you're yourself people. the people are without, you know, any, any sort of clothes or the bags. they're, they're basically with a passport waiting piece of paper, crying demanding to be left in sometimes rushing the checkpoints at multiple explosive devices. but as we hadn't northern area of the port to checkpoint there and another between barren hotel which was heavily used by british especially diplomats and ad military forces as well as americans. that between that hotel at the checkpoint and the area between them was, was packed with people like many other areas,

all areas around around the airport. it is incredibly difficult to do not only reach the checkpoints, but to get away from them. as we found out yesterday, when we were driving out and we saw meters away from us. the tell about shooting at trying to get people away from that. obviously, ice will, whoever was behind this ice roll hasn't yet been confirmed level is behind this, they saw the opportunity. make sure that in escape i believe there would be a mass of adults where hearing nods. you said 13 killed among them. by the way, the united states has confirmed as several of its own residents, ad citizen civilians, as it had put it in writing on twitter, the pentagon itself. we also heard that among those dead, but american servicemen who apparently at this check would be very close to the interior alone, much of the airport. the americans control the inside the taliban control the outside of the outside check woods, primarily. man by the,

by the taliban. do that very sometimes american forces can be, can be very close. we heard that was one of the explosions went off, the american troops return fire to close and that some people had been injured. as a result of that though, again, no confirmation. another source says that the suicide bomber he's been suicide bomber had been detected. he was seen as he was making his way through the crowd upon detection, he hurried in one way in one direction or another, allegedly towards the checkpoints at the baron hotel. these are all again, reports, things yet to be clarified. but we heard there was a car that was packed with explosives. so the improvised explosive device that was set off perhaps many casualties, dep apps, more of the casualties there. but an explosive device going off. there's like, far,

crack going altogether in a, in a close to had a huge numbers, numbers of casualties. absolutely. you know, there's no way unavoidable among the casualties. we've learned taliban fighters, civilians, many women, many children, women and children. predominately we saw by the way in those crowds patching the airport, also rushing towards the towards the checkpoints towards taliban fighters trying desperately to get into that. there. the taliban ministers. information as we had earlier, he gave us his 1st interview to a group of journalists, us included at the ministry of information earlier today, he said that it was them that warned nato off the threat that there was a threat. he described it as low and unspecific at the time. they didn't know what it would be, an explosive device or perhaps gunman shooting into the crowd, posing a stampede that but of course, even more casualties. again, eyes this will,

whoever outs is behind the seeing the opportunity, the cause chaos to cause pandemonium and using it. now we have the various embassies calling on the citizens that stay away from the airport. we know that there are areas in capitol where they gather where evacuated gather, and they have been delivered to the airport on the god and buses such as how the russian em but she did it. they gathered everyone that they were evacuating. and then in a huge convoy they went to, they went to the airport yesterday. we also know that the taliban is partially blaming this or entirely blaming this on the americans on natal. hoffer, who before the evacuation and during the evacuation the early days. cool, then people to come to the airport, call them people to, to get there is quickly and safely as possible. so they could be evacuated. afghans heard the message, have gone to the message. they also rushed to the airport, hoping that they would be evacuated among the many people who worked for the

americans, for the spanish, for the germans, interpreters, office work as embassy work. as n g o workers hoping to get out of the country. many of their hopes have been dashed now that we're hearing many countries ending their evacuations or wrapping them up. nevertheless, here and here in the capital right now we're hearing sirens. and lucy, earlier on the taliban had come onto the cities loud speaker, system fooling for people to stay home. we're also hearing room is again unconfirmed. but this is jen unless a boy were in contact with that they're going to be raised tonight. the taliban is going to be cleaning house, try to find ourselves on terrorist cells, those responsible for these, for these bobbing, and journalists and then g work is everybody's being urged to stay indoors to stay, to stay tight and to avoid leaving, leaving the area for now also, i must mention, mobile networks came down briefly. well through lab networks, why fi networks are only communication with the outside world?

is the internet. why fi landlines that breaks up occasionally and cell service which for now is active and undisturbed and on the ground there in kabul more, i guess the bring is the very latest on today's double explosions. the let's see if we can bring in an eye witness. now, her son was situated not too far away, i believe from one of those explosions at least, and joins me on the line. can you hear me? ok? now i can hear you. ok, appreciate you coming on. first of all, if you could just explain to us what was your location, how far away were you from the explosions? and what did you say? what did you hear? my friends willing to get the paper and we would have them? yes, the one you want to talk to. yep

. if you wanted to get into the airport, they would be able to come to get one to talk to him if they want to come monday, it will be a way of getting to my line. i did, i thought the 500 it was not a problem. we didn't have and they would probably want to get $11.00. and if you look on the way it would happen stuff, it would depend on what your limit.

i do apologize for interrupting, you can also take some of what you said, but suddenly it's quite difficult to make out all the details. so service is operating in, in kabul, but pretty pool connection. we got there. so my apologies, let's recap for you. if you are just joining as breaking news, coming out of afghanistan, listen to explosion, south side, the international airport and cobble where re evacuation effort was still under way . and it was a frantic, wanna ahead of the us military pullouts on august 31st. according to reporters on the ground, at least 13 people have died, and many dozens have been injured, including at least for us marines. they explode since came just hours after western governments had been warning of a security threat that they believed that the terrorist attack was, was imminent. and that size turned out to be with the several us troops, as i said, reportedly injured. there's not been any claim as he had

a responsibility of the taliban earlier down, played those terror threat warnings. they said that these were provocation attempts to undermine that control in the area. but now they are saying several of their own gods were injured in the explosions as well as women and children have been unconfirmed reports that a terrorist group called isis k. that's an afghan affiliate of islamic states may have been the perpetrators of the attacks. reports suggest that the 1st explosion was carried out by a suicide bomber us officials and saying they believed the 2nd explosion was the result of a car bomb. second explosion happened. the byron hotel is well known for being well, british and us citizens have been a based in recent days. well, they've been waiting for their all thirties to evacuate them several european nations and out earlier on thursday that they will halting their evacuations from

cobble airport by the mid these gifts. because security concerns, although we're still low around one and a half 1000 americans and many more foreign nationals still situated enough ganawe's done remarkably as we understand it. flights, evacuating people are still continuing out of the airport. the moment, remember within the airport that has been secured by largely us soldiers, some new soldiers, some nato troops in, they still manage to maintain the integrity of security within the airport. we believe that flights are still continuous, a very different situation now. outside the premier of cobble international airport, the taliban had been keeping that area sick, secure. but as we were hearing today, as a result of those explosions really chaotic scenes and at least 13 people killed the

spring and married jessica. now who's a writer and a broadcaster, joins me lives now on our team. appreciate you. coming on very we'd heard intelligence reports we heard and they were believed to be credible reports as well enough. so for the pentagon, for the white house, for the u. s embassy in cobble to tell us citizen, stay away from the apple. we know you've only got days to get out. we know you're desperate. please stay away from the from, from the airport. we don't know how many of the us citizens listen to that, but clearly thousands of people was still more concerned about getting out of the country than worrying about terrorism. was there anything more could have been done to try and make the secure? is it just like a very difficult job to do in the circumstances? i think it's a streaming difficult job and i think it's, it's interesting that the news so far,

the sort of incident has only happened today. you know, this operations been going for more than 10 days in conditions of some considerable chaos. with apparent cooperation and watching on from the taliban forces on the perimeter of the airport and with the americans and other forces inside the airport trying to control it. but it's been very clear from the accounts of people who've been contacted from outside off candy stone, that the people who waiting, trying to get out of the country, that everything's not every attempt to bring orders to the queues to be to the right people trying to get out to check documents because they're just so many people. it's been very, very difficult to organize. so i think in

a way the warnings were, in part, obviously based on intelligence information. but in part, the was obviously an attempt to try and then out the crowd still trying to get out and obviously know if you've got a choice between trying to get out of the country. i think just save your life and giving up on the last hope, then it's better if i just this is the 1st that many people at home will have her devices, k, this afghan affiliate of islamic state. most people thought, let me state was a, was laws leasing of the past, if not, if not defeated and at least severely weakened. how much of a foothold do they have in, in afghanistan and in the region. and will they be a challenge to the taliban in the fall? well, i think it's very interesting how, how sketchy, in fact the, in the information has been so far, but also precise. the,

the warnings passed on, for instance, by the, one of the defense ministers in the u. k. today about possible attacks were 8. it's a parent from those how closely western intelligence services and i expect not just western intelligence services have been trying to follow development inside these sort of movements. and yes, when it appeared that between iraq and syria, isis lovek state had been overcome and that it was the that it was indeed a thing of the past. but of course, the, the disorder prevailed in afghanistan for not just the last few weeks for a month and for years before that and certainly pops up. in some ways,

it has been the possibility for intelligence to come through. but also, i think, especially as the telephone started to sweep across africa, i'm strong arrived in cocoa so quickly the been a lot of efforts to catch up to try and figure out what other threats that might be . you talked about some of the, the intelligence that came from the us, the, the very cable in terms of communications surveillance, the people on the ground sophisticated systems they use to try and find out about terrorist activity. is this exposing now an area where the taliban are going to sail? they're not going to be able to sniff out those potential terrorist activities that are going to be a problem in the countries this now open season for other terrorist groups such as isis k. well again, i mean that is another very,

very interesting and totally imponderable question. because obviously there was a thought because the taliban appeared to have prevailed across the whole of afghanistan with such speed. they'd one if you'd like a convincing victory and were in charge and apparently had given some sort of undertakings that they wouldn't provide a haven for terrorists groups, which of course is where the americans came in way, but often enough. but possibly what we're seeing today is an indication of how tenuous the taliban, the actual control on the ground may be. i mean, the movement that disprove them or just being shut, franchise operations, the idea that they can run africanist on us if you like, from, from an organized government in kabul and keep tuffs on. all the possible interests

may be and guaranteed that afghan is don't know about guns to be a haven for terrorist groups. i think that's something that not just an organ or organized customer, but the telephone that they can't guarantee that we've had to retrieve who you said it's very difficult to answer the question. but even just listening to what you're saying, that with the tele bonding control and with the methods being, you know, relatively primitive. yes, there is military force there. but in terms of there's no blanket of sophisticated surveillance. if you, if you are a terrorist group out there and you're looking for somewhere to lay lower to hide, it's not not going to be the place where you're going to look to afghan. i stand this calles and this oppertunity to slip into the cracks. well, that's what everybody shares to us. the gun is done is now going to offer

opportunities that, you know, in the past we've seen since since 911 them and that efforts were made to prevent new terrorist groups setting up enough guns that tried iraq, syria, the border lounge between pakistan and afghanistan. and really were back on stung again. and you can possibly argue that with the american presence in particular enough guns dumpster the last for the last 20 years . they have, despite the what appeared the intelligence failure to forecast the speed of the telephone advance in africa has strong for the past few months. nonetheless, that they may have been able to, to keep track to, to an extent of terrorist groups, both in guns and else, well,

potential terrorist groups. but it's very hard to see that anybody, even in the body with, with the intelligence capability of the americans and the cooperation of, of other countries. it's very, very hard to see that any party is going to have anything like a complete town. all this is this going to be, do you think in the future as a master classic, how not to carry out regime change, go into a country, there's a whole but to terrorism, and there's a very strong chance studies how is going to be 2 decades later well, i think that the, i'm the advocates of regime change, or they might say, responsibility to protect that they would say, well, they've, we've had 20 years of relative peace and stability in much of afghanistan. there's been a possibility for development. you know,

i actually didn't hold to that view because i think that the whole philosophy behind responsibility to protect house created as many more problems than the programs that set out to solve the to it presented a danger in itself. it's impaired. so from troll of countries by the government, it's over written those government and i think it's, it's created enormous dangerous insecurity which own so no i'm, i'm no advocate of that sort of intervention. but i think that the, there is, there is a problem to be way between, how far intervening you can do. you can store the sort of chaos that produced arcade, and they now be producing this particular variant of islamic state. and how

far you, you have to leave countries to get on with it. and that if terrorist groups sort of spring from those territories, you can argue that it's up to other countries to secure their own territory. and i take a slightly may be unfashionable, that you can argue that the attacks of $911.00, which were so destructive, which look like such a sort of such a master of organisation from the, from the perspective of none the less, if there's been better security in the united states, if their intelligence services have been so overwhelmed by all sorts of different intelligence details that they missed. information about foreign

trainees in flight schools wanting to learn how to take off wrong or not have to land. more retention has been paid to folks like thought that it was as much your responsibility for american security as it was for, for it from, from the, the disorder. and what ungovernable space comes down. you talked about the periods of the last 20 years has been comparatively. com. if you think about the people who've been born and grown up in that time period, let's talk about teenagers, particularly females who have grown up. getting more accustomed to something more akin to a western style of civilization. now that facing the prospect of sherry, a law potentially quite an extreme version of it. under the taliban. i mean the u. s. i know they could have been evacuating many african civilians. do they have a moral obligation? if nothing else to take those people who they said this is how normal life is,

we're giving it to you. now we're abandoning you that they have an obligation to take all of those young off guns and take them back to america because they've shown them what life is like in the west and then they just abandon them. well, i think that's a very, very difficult question. and again, i take a young, unfashionable view, that 1st of all, i think is totally impractical. even to think about doing that. i mean, if you're going to look at even women from urban areas in have gone to strong who those changes have most benefited. you're looking to colossal number of people. i also think there is, i think there is, there is different models number, few like into how other countries can go into countries like truck gum, stone. and as it encourage their own living standards,

their own lifestyle, their own, their own values of western countries with put it. i think that one of the problems enough comes on one of the reasons why the telephone was able to, to sweep across the country so quickly was because as it were, that new, the new class that the american in the western intervention hunting courage, especially along say 2030 the new class didn't have sufficient playing deep groups in the country world where they were living. and i think that's jack antic problem. you know, we've seen it in place not, not just stuff going on. you can look at, i surely wrong the slumber revolution that followed. you can look at burma and the way that the military of take power against

a new generation was influenced and accepted a lot of western ideas and western lifestyle. i really think that you call thank true to a whole lot of people that you can encourage. i think those people have to fight for their own future in their own country. and it sounds like ruthless who tell us thing to say, but i think that unless you've got sufficiently deep groups, unless you've got sufficient a portion of people who see that as the future to then it's not going to happen. and it's no good having encouraging every party that firm educated encourage, encourage him to leave the country. i think it's, it's obviously a. ringback very difficult moral question,

do you have an obligation to those people? but i also ask you to do those people, does the new group, do they not have an obligation to their own country? i finally just want to ask you about the, the conditions in which we were seeing these terrorist attacks today. and we've seen this celtic scenes, afghans and foreign nationals trying to flee the country, the extraction of people, the withdrawal of the us forces is all happening. and what seems like a whirlwind, that seem to have created opportunity, maybe for this to take advantage. why is it all happening so quickly? do you think why of the so long enough gone. this is the us with drawing all of its people in such a hurry. i think there's a lot of reasons for that. i think the, the, the main one is the speed of a ton of them victory. and what appears to be a new drug gun to failure of western intelligence to forecast the talk.