new group, do they not have an obligation to their own country? i finally just want to ask you about the, the conditions in which we were seeing these terrorist attacks today. and we've seen these celtic scenes, afghans and foreign nationals trying to flee the country. the extraction of people, the withdrawal of the us forces is all happening in what seems like a whirlwind that seem to have created opportunity. maybe for this to take advantage . why is it all happening so quickly? do you think why, after so long enough gun, this is the us with drawing all of its people in such a hurry. i think there's a lot of reasons for that. i think the, the, the main one is the speed of the tunnel down victory. and what appears to have been a gun to failure of western intelligence to forecast the wind too quickly and with so little conflict. i think, you know we,

we watched the estimates of how long it would be before the car reached cobble, if they did. and it went from months to 2 days within the, within the space of about a week in terms of the, of the forecast. so that was a huge underestimate. and that meant that if there was going to be vaccination operation amounted for very quickly. now there's been a lot of criticism this says that, well, it was know that the, the americans with entities but the live emissions have been made. but then it was returned for the end of august in any case before the anniversary of 911. so why weren't were to progressive gradual evacuations and facilitating people to leave from much earlier. and

some countries, france and germany for instance, say that they were actually making it possible for people to leave in, in the months before. but i think that it's a 2 way thing. i mean, even if the opportunity was it wasn't until the taliban victory became a reality. and it became a reality so quickly that so many people decided that they had to know. so they sort to try and leave the country and that created this huge number of people gathering at the airport to leave. and i think that really, that's how it can be explained. it wasn't just that the, the western western powers, she was involved enough got strong, were not making the arrangements. it was that the people who might have been thinking about leafing in rather indefinite sort of way. only made the decision

very last moment when they saw that the telephone actually enter, entering cobble. and they realized that day because of the connections because they've been maybe been to operating with the know to latin american forces. the large might be in danger. and so i think that it's that combination of the speed of the telephone and the, the realization of people, especially in this was possibly the only chance to leave. and they've only got days to do it. mary, really appreciate you coming on. fascinating to get your perspective on the risk and the the best explanation. i think i've heard about the hurried evacuation of the advantage scheme, i guess, writer and broadcasting. well, i'll discuss the terrorist attacks out near cobble apple with several experts on the region that see what they had to say.

on one could imagine that there would be various groups operating on the ground and the i s on the i s k that is set to be responsible. we need to have a responsibility claim they could be people coming back from the middle east, or at least part of whom i would be coming back from the middle east after you know, participating in the me, him over there and iraq and siri and so on. and they would be claiming legitimacy, and for them, this is an opportunity. and the rationale would be those people who are gathered even civilians who aren't gathered in front of the airport gates or nothing but collaborators and look at the taliban. and they are allowing them to go so they shouldn't be allowing them to go. and basically they, this whole operation would be about telling right wing works 3, missed the elements in the entire i've got to stand at the tale bond or not the people who are supposed to protect us and to protect the religion and we are. so

it's basically a recruitment exercise stealing some of the legitimacy from the town. and if they could kill or injure some of the western soldiers, especially american soldiers, that would be even better. you know, the more the merrier in there is another element as well, which is a bit more strategic or, and which is that this sort of action would put stream on the evacuation process. it would force more screening. it would put strain on the supply chain of people entering the airport. and so this could force the united states or push it into a position where it might want to extend that 31st of august deadline, which would put strain you know, between the united states and the town about the relation between the united states and canada. so basically all of it is about upsetting the apple cart.

and if we think of, you know, terrorists or extremist people then pretty much the same. but if we think about tribal affiliations, then people are different. so this is where are they? those, you know, i s k assuming that they are the ones responsible might be coming from one of the, the criticisms that were undoubtedly you'll be put forward in any future in investigation or committee. look at this operation will be the inevitability of this is kind of attack that, you know, the united states created the conditions for this very incident in the manner in which this operation unfolded. so yeah, and we need to realize that just because, you know, the one bomb went off. there's real potential for additional attacks isis course on

is a very sophisticated terrorist organization. and there are still many, many targets out there. you know, we, we went the way we went into couple invitation that was generated, you know, lends itself to this, this kind of attack and, and these targets are still there. the citizens are still crammed in americans and british are still stuck in places outside of the airport, awaiting ex filtration. so this is a, this is a tragedy. i do think we're going to see increased cooperation between the coalition that the taliban rapidly ex filtrate identify pockets of foreigners. up until now the telephone has been provide is been creating more obstacles than, than, than, than facilitation. i think the child on once the americans out now and they will do

everything in their power. now that just attack is taken place to help the coalition get it's identified citizens out of cobol. i think that will be one thing that comes out of this. no, because the child understands it, the longer these, these pockets of americans and british and foreigners existing couple of the greater detract from isis. and it makes you tell by look bad they're supposed to be in gendering competence among the afghan people. and indeed of the coalition that they are in control, the security situation and balls in a check like this. only underscores that nobody's in control or security situation . and if you just joining us as a recap of all breaking news story coming from a can a stand, there have been 2 explosions located near the international airport in cobble were chaotic evacuation that was already under way ahead of the impending u. s. military pull out according to the afghan health ministry, but just told his rising 40 people and now believe to have been killed and as many

as a 120 people injured, which tallies with some of the pictures that we've seen. and we can see that we've had to blur out all of these reasons. some of those pictures of fatalities on the ground. and as a correspondent is already said, the explosion that occurred to the 1st one, the stadium will have happened in the middle of it. a huge throng of people, a crowd of people awaiting entry into the airport to be evacuated, which is why it was anticipated. the death was going to be substantial, so, so believed as many as 5 us soldiers are among those who have been wounded. the explosions have come just hours after western government had warned, they believed that that was a very imminent threat, an extreme threat that there would be a terrorist attack in the vicinity. so far, no one has a responsibility to for the attack. the taliban early down played those terror threat warnings. they said they were a provocation,

a challenge to the authority in the region. but they even themselves saying that several of the taliban gods were injured in those blasts as well as several women and children. i said no one's claim responsibility for the habit and confirm reports that a terrorist group called isis k. that's an afghan affiliate of islamic state makes have been behind the attack. according to the pentagon officials, the 1st explosion was a suicide bomber. the 2nd explosion was believed to be a car bomb of 2nd explosion occurring near the barren hotel. that's a hotel where british us citizens have been base in recent days as a way to evacuate several european nations and now still on thursday day was stopping evacuation of their citizens from carver. i thought because of security concerns, the still remain. after all this, at least 1500 americans and many of the foreign nationals stranded in afghanistan, still trying to get out of the country. but time is running out just august 31st.

they have until that deadline for the u. s. withdrawal will pass. i'll be speaking down to a me to call now she's director of the center for afghan, some middle east and africa at the institute of strategic studies. thank you for coming on a minute. i was talking about this, this hurried withdraw. the deadline is pending because of so little time for people to go out of afghanistan is created the sheet crowds around the airport. we've seen them and it was obvious that this was a disaster waiting to happen. mid reports of a possible terrorist attack. due to the americans have to take some responsibility for what's happening today because they created the conditions for this because of this very, very hurried, disorganized withdraw. certainly it's unfortunately one tragedy after the other. and i don't think we're going to see the end of the bloodshed or the violence. i think other attacks are anticipated

. primarily because the situation, as we all know at the cobble airport, is extreme makella. take. the situation is complex and it's fluid and i think it's very difficult to vet those that are rush me coming into the airport. and again, you do have international forces within the airport and then the taliban outside. but i think this is something that was anticipated. the taliban have been saying this, and while you are right, no group has claimed responsibility to remember that the i escape your dis, lovick state of province, which is the chapter of the ice in this particular region, has always been a major spoiler. it is the only group that actually gains from instability of hon. hassan and do remember, it's the same group that has waged violence even in times of limited sci fi, as we've seen between the government and the taliban during the holidays. so think

that pointing to that group, and again, there are so many other terrace groups within upon this time. so i think it's very difficult at this time. you know, particularly when you've got these celtic scenes and everybody's wanting to leave harnessed on you talked about i c k there and there are other groups establishing their own so many kelly fights. is this an opportunity for them now? in new afghan, they stand. what will they be able to thrive and fund safe haven under a taliban leadership? well certainly not under othello. bon leadership because the day the group in fact made you know, its presence felt in upon the sun, which was late 2040 in early 2015. both groups have been involved or engage in a bloody battle against each other and the taliban have lost. i think several 100 fighters in this battle because it is an issue of ideology. and i think that that made it

very clear that the between the 2 groups there was only room for one flag and one group. and that was the upon thought a bunch. and just to add to your 1st question, certainly, you know, the americans do have a responsibility after all this entire mess. and keyless, unfortunately, has been created due to the rather hasty and irresponsible withdrawn. i mean, what are they expecting of on the sand was already a very fragile state. so with touch, you know, quick exit and been having a deadline as well. naturally, you know, issues like this. we're going to pop up from what you said there about conflict between isis k, the taliban, the, the classroom by the ologies that withdraw the view as security. it doesn't sound like things are going to get any better anytime soon. are we looking at now? many, you know, as many years of instability. i mean it's all down to the taliban to, to do something about this. well it's,

it is down to the taliban, but i think it's a little unfair because the taliban have inherited. now, you know, the situation in the finest done. so i think more, it's a collectible shared responsibility primarily be americans. and of course the regional countries they need to get together and they need to push for this inclusive political set up that we're hearing about. once there is some sort of semblance of stability through an inclusive set up, i think been, you know, areas like security and governance can be dealt with. but certainly under these particular conditions, i don't foresee stability coming soon to be honest on do you think we're going to see countries now working with the taliban because they don't want to see instability in the region. but at the same time saying, we're going to assist you maybe in this way, but you're going to have to help us in other ways. for example, the extent to which they impose shari'a law, the way that they treat human rights,

the amount of freedom that they give to females in the country. what will these become areas of compromise in return for assistance from the outside? but certainly i think the group knows that they cannot operate or govern the way they used to because if they do, they will not get that legitimacy. the recognition or the support they feel badly need. and i think they needed more from the regional countries who, you know, have always suffered the consequences of an unstable of hottest on unless so from the international community. therefore i feel that the taliban when there are claims that the taliban has, by the way, you know, condemned the attack. but there are certain elements that the taliban might be behind this. but i think the taliban would not be so naive or foolish enough to conduct such an attack because they know that one wrong move and it does jeopardize the chances of that legitimacy. they feel badly need and certainly i've said this

before as well. that one has to be careful regarding the hahn dial, a bon, one can not absolve them from the atrocities they have committed in the past. but certainly they are saying things that the international community and the regional countries want to hear that giving assurances. and i think we've seen the fact that the, you know, transition so far has been peaceful when it comes to the thunder bun. does give us a ray of hope. and there is no other way. the thought about have shown that there an indigenous group and they can be no settlement in the sun unless you include them. so i think that taliban have learned from their mistakes in the past. they know they cannot operate and installation. and they know that if they go back to the old wave, the region going to accept it in the hands won't accept it, even though the country has been at war for more than 2 decades. we know that the telephone, the very adept when it comes to fighting, do they have the capability to govern as effectively it's

a very different skill already finding out that even just maintaining security as a governing force is very different to seizing force. are they up to the challenge? do you think? i think it's a tall order and i think that is why the dollar bond, if you recall, it has said time. and again, in fact, i think they said it in moscow for the 1st time in 2018 where they said they weren't looking for a monopoly of power. and they did believe in an inclusive government because that would be shared responsibility. they know they cannot truly totality and yet, you know, sitting on the other side of the sentence is one thing and in actually governing is another. so i think it's not going to be very easy. but if there is, you know, different political factions coming together or you know, upon actors along with the thought, but it is certainly doable. they will be challenges. and i think hence, it is important that the regional countries engage with hopefully this inclusive set up that one is envisaging for. and again that the international community also

does not abandon yvonne is done. and just very quickly, fun question for you. i mean, what about this western citizens least a 1000 and a half americans and many of the foreign nationals in the what are their prospects now? it seems like they've been left abandoned with just a few days. well, i don't think of the will be abandoned. there has to be some way because the deadline is also coming up and you know, these evacuations need to take place the pocket kind of thing, a key role in this as well. but i think it is again, i will say this that it's a shared responsibility and i think, you know, one can only just hope that the events to the 31st remain stable. and i think, you know, everyone has to be on high alert. and again, i think people should stop flocking to the cobble airport. this is so important and i think this is a shared responsibility. the dollar bond need to do it,

as well as the international forces based at the airport. i mean, really appreciate your time and me to call is my guess director of the center for middle east and africa as of the institute, a strategic so the thank you. ok, let's go back to campbell. correspondence is on the ground around gas d of and he's been compiling a picture of today's attacks to the atrocities that have occurred. what's the latest information you've got for some of the? well, the evac lation is still continuing. it's in full swing every 10 minutes. so there's another jet that passes overhead. nevertheless, the solutions themselves the death toll as we predicted. unfortunately with and again, we're hearing about 42, at least at least 40 to did a 120 injured the videos are absolutely horrifying. scenes footage from the scenes

from the to explosion sites. what the north gate at the northern check point of the airport was near the barren hotel between the barren hotel which was used heavily by american and british military diplomats, where they betted people before being led into the airport via check would just across the road allegedly allegedly, again, according to reports, not confirmed yet one explosive device and a car exploded there at, at the east end of the airport. that is also the amount of people that she can help as well. so rising many a being treated at the heat it's, it's very difficult to describe how many people are there. you can't, you can't fit them all on video. you would have to circle the circumference of the airport kilometers and kilometers of crowds of mobs of desperate people of women of children trying waving their papers,

trying to get into the airport. not being left in all over the city, people lining up at the nearest rumor. that someone somewhere stamping out visas the, the united states, the european, the european nations urging people now to get away from the airport. the threat is ongoing. so there's a persistent threat intelligence indicates that there could be more bombings. and judging by the pandemonium, the death told that has been caused in these explosions. the perpetrators obviously out the cause as much damage as possible about to try again to try get and target the people around the airport, the taliban. we spoke to the minister of information newly appointed today. he's 1st interview. he told us that it was them that born the americans and natal, that there was an imminent threat of he didn't describe it as imminent. he described it as an specific in lieu, but the, there was an ongoing threat of assistance read at the airport that someone much

might try to blow to bomb for example, or shoot up the crowd and who was a stampede. the thousands and thousands of people that were already jam packed together. already a crush. vin, in panic and blind pavek trampling each other and the tattered button and said responsibility for this is with the americans. us with the germans, with the british, who urged people in the early days of the evacuation to get to the airport that they would be flown to safety. i miss you. this message was heard by, by afghans in capitol all over the country. they've been streaming here, or for me all over the country, trying to, you know, believe in the words that they heard trying to get to the airport, trying to get their visas if they didn't have the bear in mind, that many of the people at the airport will ready believe that they have the permission. some of them have been better. they're unable to either get through to the check or to being turned back by the by the taliban. that will though the taliban says they told us today that they let anyone through as a visa,

a valid functional visa to leave. or if they have a foreign passport, they say the taliban says the evacuation will continue his newport gathering. he and now the evacuation will continue off to the american troops and nato troops leave that months. the airport is back in the ads. the video flights. 3 can resume, but many people don't believe them for various reasons. nevertheless, e, the number of people at the airport hasn't produced from what we've heard. people are still there. they've, they, they're avoiding the 2 sides that have been locked down, couldn't, where the explosions took place. but they're still it all the other check boards. they're still trying to climb move offenses. yesterday, when we landed in capital, we spent many hours that the, the shooting was the ceaseless completely inside the airport, where the americans are, where the natives groups are. far. we got the fences where the more daring i've got to try to scale up,

try to get into the airport outside the airport where the taliban is. we've seen the add some of the checkpoints, footage, showing american troops right next the taliban troops. this is bob. perhaps why americans also parish, allegedly, according to the pentagon, which said that several civilians and residents of the united states have been injured and also been killed during one of the explosions. presumably the explosion that the near the baron hotel the, the, the death toll and the casualty counties is absolutely astounded. but it was unavoidable. given the sheer press, the, she, the sheer number of bodies packed together. and you know, we're still hearing about more and more casualties. being, being found, being identified, being delivered to morgues, more people being delivered to hospitals. the ambulance is here even here, many miles away. we're hearing a ceaseless cry of sirens coming from my billing. it's coming from rescue services

coming from taliban fighters trucks, their vehicles going to and fro the airport. they were loudspeaker early, a cooling for people to stay their homes to, to, to, to, to go home and to stay in doors. the internet is also been cut. this is mobile into that mobile internet just to bring everyone up to speed with these kinds of explosions. for example, remote car exclusions, it's that they're very often triggered by a buyer call by text message to to a device that is planted in the vehicle. so we've also heard that cellular networks have been cut near the near the airport. but as i say, the casualty count is still mounting. and that is the least information from man on the ground that was off. he corresponded ron guys did live from us ghana stun. okay . yeah. if you just joined is just a very quickly recap for you. we're covering on breaking news story. coming out of afghanistan, there been 2 explosions. located close to the international airport in cobble the

evacuation after the course, the under way, rush to try and get everybody out. it's not going to happen though ahead of august 31st deadline. that's when the u. s. military will be withdrawing to explosions. 40 people at least, and the count is expected to rise, have died with as many as a 120000000 injured included amongst the casualties. we believe that 5 us marines have been wounded and those explosions coming to south after western intelligence agency. that was that that was an imminent security threat. they believe there was a high chance that would be a terrorist attack near the pool. we're going to give you more analysis from experts we're going to be hearing. busy more while corresponding things hobble right guys, to my colleague when we say we'll take you through it all, join us for more here in just a couple of minutes. i

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use ah, top headlines here. what is an optional? at least 40 people are killed and more than a $120.00 injured 2 explosions outside cobble airport. according to reports, 5 us told us are among the wounded taliban earlier said an attack on combo edward was possible and might be aimed at humming the groups image more politically. the problem is that a huge number of people have gathered near the airports and there was a threat that the thing.