many more questions and more comments to come roaring back to you. right? i'll teach or join. how do you live in miami? thank you. well, that's of course live now to karen korea, koski author commentator retired us air force lieutenant colonel joining us your international a great to see you today. thanks for joining us on the program. joe biden was just making this press conference, the car, and i think you were listening to what some of the things that president biden was saying, any highlights to you, any person and comments by the american president regarding ask, honest on today my perspective. i mean, i think he proved why they calling sleepy joe he, his sense of a strategic meaning of afghanistan to the united states. or, you know, probably the last 40 years seems to be missing. he is right. he is right in that, you know, we should never have nation tried to nation, build an afghan, stan,

and this is a 20 year. probably a 20 year to law war in which we have been as a, as a nation, i guess you could say defeated. nobody wants, no american wants to use that word, but that is in fact exactly what we have seen. and the writing has been on the wall for probably 15 or 16 years. so his sense of what has gone on, of course, he supported all of this sen, 4 years. so his sense of the reality of things to me is missing. i thought his speech was extremely cliched. and i was actually quite worried for his help as it started. he seemed like he was very tired and he may well be very tired. however, his, his being tired has very little to do with what's actually happening. and you know, the danger that is going on in campbell, but having said that, despite the terrorist attack or the ice k,

i guess is taking credit for this. but despite that, and there may be other attacks like that, this transition, this evacuation this shift of power in, in the entire country and certainly in the capital city of cobble. this is going amazingly well in the reason it's going amazingly well. i think there's 2 parts to it. one is we actually left instead of continuing to put it off and one of the problems with so many people it's the last minute struggling to get out is they didn't believe that the united states troops were going to leak. it was, well, they've always said that they said that they're not doing it. and yes, we did do it and we left. so that part's good. the other part is the taliban is not just some rag tag tribal unit. that is, it is an, a similar to a terrorist group, and it is really not grand, the country, it throughout the russian militarily. over a long war, it ran the country for 6 or 7 years. negotiating with the united states as the legitimate power. we were negotiating oil pipeline leases and etc, etc,

with the taliban em awards. firms cutting back on the poppy production back in 2001 . this is, this is history joe. but, you know, i assume he does, but they are competent in the sense of being able to return to power, which they have done their far better army, a far better bureaucratic force. administrative force than the telephone has ever been before in part, due to 20 years. that happened to organize against the us occupation. so i'm, it is tragic. it's certainly expected that there would be pot shot taken, upsetting the apple cart is one of your commentators had mentioned with, with this last minute attacks. but taliban is competent to deal with what needs to happen. we are leaving on the 31st. let's hope most of our people are out. you know, they're not children, american or not children and neither are the african. it's been people who,

who. 2 assisted us and worked with us. they're not children, they have a personal responsibility to be aware of their surroundings. they have a personal responsibility to do the best they can with what they have. it's not like their a beef that in a bird missed that we put the cat on a it's not bad. okay. not at all. so i think in some ways this is the successful and about as best as you could expect it to be for 20 years of really quite frankly, a very expensive tragedy. well, you, i mean, you call it, you know, the end especially you can expect you to be, i mean, there been european leaders who are pretty upset with biden at the moment that, you know, they feel a bit abandoned. and i've gotten a start kind of what i wanted to ask you though i'm, i'm glad you called him sleepy joe. of course we've all heard that before, but when he, when he started making his speech just now i was really worried to the guy seems really out of it really. but yeah, he's maybe he's retired but seems to me he's, he's, he's not doing very well. he, he clearly didn't write the statement,

he was reading and he didn't really know what he was actually saying. it was really wiring, so i'm glad it wasn't just me worried about his health. you seem like the pe discombobulated count. i wanted to ask you, the pentagon now says it will, it will keep relying on the taliban for port protection. we seeing in some way the pentagon and the taliban coming closer together as form of foes trying to find ways to work together. now do you think or we have been doing that for at least until the mid part of trump's presidency, at least since 20182019. when they started to talk with the taliban. and i know we recall when they left out the african national government and cobble and they were in the us military and the department people would meet directly with the taliban, one on one. these meetings had been going on this trust building exercise this trying to negotiate in exit. and really, i will say i was very happy that joe biden stood by his, his execution of really what was trumps plan. and i agree with trump also in

pulling out and leaving afghanistan militarily. in any case, that is what we've done. and we've done it by working with the taliban over a period of really at least a 2 and a half years. so we know them and they certainly know us. so it's kind of difficult for the average american to know that karen, because you know, in the press, it's taliban by taliban, by terrorist militant talib, i'm bad. but now you're, you're basically telling us it actually quite look behind the scenes, what's going on, where americans, it's all about, well, you know, coordinated together. and that coordination has actually increased in recent years . and it does seem a bit strange. the anti taliban rhetoric then you get out of washington. i mean it's strange. bedfellows may be well he's ok. the president speaks to the american people, american people, most of them probably 90 percent of them pay very little attention to what goes on outside the doorstep. this, this war has been for many americans,

something they don't want to think about, which is understandable. why would they it's something that everybody wants to come to an end, but nobody really understands because it's really hard to explain other than in terms of global power games. it's hard to explain why we would have been in afghan, extend why we're, why we would be even interested in afghanistan. so so, so why, why were we, there are some, forgive me for jumping in car, but you know, i've got some, wasn't involved in 911 iraq nelson involved in 911. so. so why 20? it's an afghan. asked on please. well, it was part of the basic strategy both for natural resources and investment and political domination, but also to have what, what donald rumsfeld used to call, i guess lily pads basically small bases that you could keep with very few people. but then if you needed to go in, you could, you could go in and turn it up very quickly, a turnkey operation,

where you could conduct combat operations and who would we be conducting combat operations to get from those space as well. take a look at the map, they surround ran ok. so there's that they also look at the southern kind of southeastern borders of russia. and of course, to some extent the eastern part of china. this is the reach that, that the united states strategic imagination has, has made a priority for many, many decades. i mean, this goes back to the seventy's when it was part of our mission to secure oil, coming out of saudi arabian, the gulf. so that, that strategy, it needs property and that property was held by rack. it was held by afghanistan to some extent area. it's certainly our allies in the goals and the amorous and cutter . so this is what it was about now. how do you explain that to american people? how do you explain that to soldiers who are told they're going to educate women and

girls in afghanistan? i'm going to build schools and you know, playground, you can't, it's 2 things going on here. there's the actual question. now and justification, which is not much for what we did as a nation in afghanistan. and then there's the story they tell back home. and joe, actually job seems a little confused, mixing some of it stories, but for the most part he stuck to the message. of course they're evil and bad and we really wouldn't be working with them. but oh yeah, actually we are a little bit. yes, it's actually quite embarrassing. you might embarrass and you just started a few ideas of what politics of the bridge and sky and the whole gran chest. i know . i know that was a whole play but years ago in washington but. but you know, it's one thing, it's one thing that claim, okay, a war on terror, 911 or even a war on drugs this, that, and the other. but, you know, the end of the day, the level of corruption in afghanistan was something massive as well. i just saw a story in the past 24 hours

a 90 percent of the next year's budget for the afghan government is actually disappeared. the money has evaporated and just gone, lining lining pockets. and then of course ashcroft ghani the, the former president, he fled very, very quickly as he, as he said. and it's presently he said, i've only got, i've only got the clothes on my back and a pair of saddles. but i've got all the suitcases of cash that i can't fit into my private helicopter. i mean, the level of corruption this. i mean, tell us more about that. karen? well, you know, corruption is everywhere around the world. but when you bring in, you know, palate full of, of money. and when you have an agenda, it says we had in this country, you, by politicians. i mean, this is colonialism. 2 point, oh, it's not much different. you know, you make friends with people and you do that by giving them what they couldn't have otherwise, which is power and cash and resources. so, you know, i'm the corruption, afghans are no stranger to it and they see it and they know it,

they're more aware of what's going on in cobble particularly and around the country than any american is. and they understand that, in fact, it's part of the anger that they have against the folks that worked with us because they saw those folks as selling out their country and enriching themselves. i heard gone, he had something like a $169000000.00 in assets that he, that he was able to get out of the country. and this has been going on for several years as they've shipped resources. somebody stole from afghanistan, some they got from the united states. you know this, this is a really, it's, it's criminal's what it is. also you talked about a drug or what drug war. ok. we went in there propped up the poppy. ok. bobby's had gone down under the taliban previously in 2001 to very minuscule amount that stopped within we've been 6 months. the fields are replanted after we entered in 2000 and late 2001. so the next year, 2002,

you had coffee. and that is if you can look at the production chart, it's off the charts. ok, i expect the taliban will address this at some point now that they're not needing copy exports to fund their war. this is so this is afghanistan, adventure, but the united states has done with, with the help of nato to some extent. i mean, you know, the european countries are not innocent here. but what we have done in so many ways is so awful for the afghan people and has created so much anger and anger in situations of inequality, financial inequality, social inequality, tribal inequality, all of the issues that cause stress and strain. we should be thinking the taliban, that they're taking over the city. and i imagine some, some people in the know are doing that. they will have their hands full trying to deal with both the hopes that the people have and that really the generational

recognition of their own misery, the misery that was preventable. ok if we hadn't stayed even ideally, if we had gone there been a special forces operation get, get some of whatever you want to do and leave, but no, no, we couldn't do it that way because we needed basing. we needed lily. we needed to surround ran, we need to threaten russia strategically. all of these things that joe biden certainly must know of. maybe he's forgotten. it did not address in his speech today. so yes, i found it very frustrating to listen to some very painful truth from karen korea, koski author, accommodate, and of course retired us air force lieutenant colonel. karen really appreciate it. thank you very much for joining us. thank you. have any. thank you. well, our senior correspondent model guys via who's now in the capital there in afghan capital. he told us earlier, he was with a group of journalists when they heard a 3rd explosion. i let's,

let's see. we can across slide right now to gas the vest still standing by just in the cobble region. it's getting very late into the we out of the evening for that motor. can you tell us any more about the explosions and the jets you heard flying overhead? yes, hello rory, just shy of 3. am here a couple things have quite and now on the ground at least may do a, the asian is i have actually as it was 5 minutes parts without jet overhead, least the shooting has stopped. we haven't heard any shooting or at the explosions last several hours. in fact, the explosions, the previously rocked the city, the 2 initial terrorist blush to be at the airport and then up to 5 up to 5 exclusions of varying and rattle the city. the city itself,

some of them have been explained by the taliban, no less as designations control, designations carried out by us troops at the airport couple. they were destroying and they'd be their own assets, the things they couldn't divide. you h things that they didn't want to leave behind to fool the taliban pads, but of course everyone thinking about the terrorist attacks today. joe biden has come out and said what he thinks about the subject. who are saying that the united states will forgive, will forget it, will find the people responsible and we'll publish them. furthermore, joe biden said that fundamentally what has happened, what is happening here, and i've got to start is he's false. but he also try to shoot some of the blame directly by saying that the previous president,

the deal with the taliban. of course, the previous president didn't leave the evacuation to the last 2 weeks of us present here. the evacuation is still ongoing. the rates may have be the fact that more than a 100000 people have been evacuated from the capital by the united states and its allies over the last head big. this is an astounding number just to give you some perspective. the famed evacuation of psycho in vietnam. busy busy was just 7000 people over the course of a day to certainly think a very, very hectic g, a very, very dangerous about the bluffs. 11, the suicide bomber made his way through the crowds on the texted. and he managed, managed to surprise us servicemen stationed at the northgate checkpoint 12 us allegedly killed according to pentagon, 15 others engine at the eastern end,

near the dyer and hotel where the united states military, the british military diplomat. what previously had those comp on the 25th you deserve that we have seen absolutely greasy. horrific. i honestly haven't seen anything like a long while in the many years in boards. so many bodies in, in such a concentrated small space which is which is not surprising, given what is happening even now, even after these blocks at the airport, there are still thousands of people camped. well, standing standing and pushing and shoving and screaming, day and night in a bead trying to get into the airport trying to catch the last few floods. the few days left out of i've got to stop. many of them threatening. they believe by the taliban. many of them believing that their lives, the lives of their families,

the security and safety of the families would be jeopardized if they stayed here because of their cooperation perhaps can help for, for american, with american forces with, with european troops. and the last situation is dr. taliban has come up and said that we, we warned that this could happen. we didn't know exactly what would happen. we warn the american, the town about administrative information told us today. but ultimately this is the taliban says their fault. this is their fault because it is them that invited people to the airport for evacuations, and afghans believed us. they flocked and still there and all right, that most of the guys did who's been going all day and all night with the breaking news here. when artsy international, but i guess the by the phone, them or not. thank you for that. we'll be in touch with you soon. for the meantime though, we cross live to miami ortiz, john hardy,

who i've been talking to throughout the evening here on our team to national good to see you again, john, you are keeping a very close watch on joe biden's speech, which about half an hour or so ago he, he talks about when he announced the u. s. withdrawal from afghan. so he called the mission successful, saying that the u. s. at achieved its goals. what other highlights from the speech do you have for us? well that it wasn't going to be easy and that it would likely be messy and that's what it's become and that there was always the potential for a tax particularly from isis. that's something that the u. s. embassy and cobble as we've been reporting, warned about late wednesday evening, that there was the potential, the extreme potential for an attack to be carried out by isis a splinter group isis correson, there in the region. and that attack manifested itself at attack happened as we know today with those 2 explosions, followed by government opening fire at u. s. service and military personnel,

and also ask in citizens, men, women, and children. president biden said that america quote, unquote, will not be intimidated that the mission can and we'll go ahead that the u. s. must complete this mission that the taliban has an interest in the u. s. completing this mission by the set date of august 31st. next week, president biden said, this was a mission that was designed to operate under extreme stress and with the potential now under attack as well. and that this was always the likelihood. this is something that us military commanders coordinated about. and that this was planned for and now that it is happening, it's basically solidifies america's need to get people out. but on that note, he said, while the united states wants to get out and air vac evacuate any and all us citizens remaining in the country, something like more than a 1000 at this point us citizens and all ask in nationals with permanent residency

that want to get out. that doesn't mean everybody who can will be able to get out here is in part what the president said about the evacuation mission was it sounds ridiculous, but the vast majority of people and communities like that want to come to america given a choice. so getting every single person out is can't be guaranteed anybody because there's a termination or who wants to get out as well. the and he said that we will complete our initial continue to find anybody. but again, this was always expected to be a very difficult and stressful operation, and it continues to be in rory at the top. you mentioned how president biden has, in the past said that this, the war was a success. that it's, you know, that the mission to defeat terrorism was successful. well,

clearly that's not the case. and now today's attacks, even again, reiterate that point, but here's what president biden said earlier. here's what some of his comments were in the past. listen, this mission to degrade the terrors tread about cod in afghanistan. in kilo some have been live, was a success. i believed that our presence in that gas dance should be focused on the reason we went the 1st place to ensure afghans they would not be used as a base from which to attack our homeland again. we did that. we accomplish that objective well, in one of the more surprising or bizarre moments in this press conference when he, when he spoke. and then he took questions from the press. he was asked if he bared any responsibility for what happened instead, certainly he bears all responsibility for the events as of late. and then he posed

a series of rhetorical questions to the media after that saying basically show of hands who thought we should even be there in the 1st place. who thought we should leave the united states shouldn't have been in afghanistan. so seemingly, you know, basically saying that, look, it's always been our mission to get out of there. we weren't in the united states should never have been an emission to nation build in afghanistan. and this is a war 20 year war, nearly 20 year war that went on much too long. another question he was asked if military, if the military needs additional forces on the ground in cobble at the airport, how many cars i international airport. he said, if military commander say they need additional forces, hell, grant additional forces. but right now, commanders quote subscribed to the mission as designed in reference to today's attacks. we know that 12 us who are service members were killed. 11 marines, one navy medic, 15 others were wounded. he called those service members who,

who died, quote unquote heroes saying they were engaged in a dangerous, selfless mission to save the lives of others. and that they are part of the backbone of america. the best of what america has to offer, he says he's heart broken for not only not only the victims and their families, but also all those ask in ask in men women and children who were, who are killed in the, to blast the one at the gate at the airport and then at the barren hotel nearby, just basically about 300 meters from, from that entrance and what it sounds like at this point, rory is that 2 suicide bombers with suicide. this one went into basically this drainage ditch or, or sewage dish that runs along the road, basically runs up along into that that, that entrance to, to the airport and blended in with the crowd. that as they got closer to the

military personnel, they're detonated that vest. and then according to us officials including the sent on commander general kenneth mackenzie. then isis gunmen open fire, not only on us personnel, military personnel, but also on the crowd as well. so horrific, devastating attack and the president for those responsible and again, basically the blame is being pin on isis, isis k. this is what president biden had to say. to those who carried out just attack as well as anyone wishes america harm. no. this we will not forgive. we will not forget we will hunt you down to make you pay. and he said also one final. no, he, there have been reports here in the united states about us officials who are saying

that the united states military has been turning over the names of us citizens and afghans with permanent residency to the taliban. who wants to get to the airport. basically given the names and locations and the president said, basically he confirmed that he said that the us military has been coordinating with the taliban on getting american citizens and permanent residence to the airport and evacuated out. and he said, and there are some circumstances in which the names and locations of people have been coordinated between us. the u. s. military and the taliban. have he said the book to his understanding of people have been allowed through, he said, but there may be those who have not been allowed through. but one of the concerns here in the united states right now being expressed by both democratic and republican officials, rory is that by giving these names and amounts to corn quote, kill list for the taliban to maybe wants to hunt down some of those people. some of the ask in nationals who may have been working with us forces on the ground in

afghanistan and again, the taliban has that what it calls the quote unquote red line that next week august 31st is what it wants to see the united states. finally, every and all military, any, all military personnel out of the country along with any us citizens. and at this point, president biden said, they want to maintain that they want to adhere to that schedule. they will continue to adhere to that schedule, but also left open the possibility that there would likely be more attacks, right. all right, out here on honey live in miami, thanks for that. we can now cross 5 to chris hedges, a journalist, author, and a host of on contact joining us live on the program on t. it's a great to see you today. thanks for joining us here at the channel biden has said that he will continue to evacuate us citizens even after america has left. what do you think has brought this on his statements with just half an hour ago? well, it's a kind of reassurance because we know that that self imposed august 31st

deadline is inevitably going to leave large numbers of people who are eligible to be evacuated behind. so even if the u. s. continues that it's current pace of about $20000.00 evacuations a day that won't come close to evacuating the number of afghans who are eligible to be evacuated. a figure that runs anywhere from 250002300000. so it's a kind of reassurance i suppose to those people who are inevitably going to be left behind. what about joe barton? he did touched on very briefly when he was asked about this, what some are calling a kill list, a list of names of americans on to africa. and charles, that is, who would, with american forces, was given to the taliban,

telling the taliban to give these people safe passage to the airport. some people are calling it kill list your thoughts. i wouldn't want to be those people after august 31st. if you are left behind because even if they aren't executed, they are certainly going to be people in very high interest to the taliban. because obviously of their close alliances and often close collaboration with the us occupation forces. so i, i don't, i don't know that because they can't go beyond the perimeters of the airport. i'm not sure they had another choice. on the other hand, it certainly would, i think, is quite arguable. that puts those people in more jeopardy if they're not gotten out. and we, and we know now that large numbers of people are going to be left behind who are eligible under the 2 visa programs,

special immigrate immigrant visas that these, these are for people who worked with u. s. military and the embassy interpreters, translators advisors. and then the priority 2 visas are those. that's where people who work with american organizations in projects that were supported by the us government. what about this isis k group, chris that's fairly new on the scene. it hasn't had much press attention. and in the past few years, a lot of people saying what is isis k? some already saying that it is k is actually making the taliban look good. your thoughts? well, you know, isis k, which is primarily composed of isis members out of afghanistan and pakistan was actually a primary target of the us military in the clothing months of the war. i and i interpreted what happened today is a kind of revenge attack.