and, and designating your slow adversity along with russia and . ready therefore. busy i think us how this will play out is going to effect agreed the security an issue because there is no there is no security. ready architecture now can care about india stress perception because at the time when i entered my profession, this, the tension in india and pakistan were considered to be the chief rivalry of the continent. but you just mentioned your disagreements with china. and i wonder if they have already starting started to overpaid the, the tensions with packets. and i mean, who is india? she rival or she's concerned at this point of time? is it packaged or is it china already? was it has always been shy except that in yeah, i tried to manage a relationship with china in a different way because there hasn't been

a history or partition on august on trying to. so the world against india, or putting a claim on india with regard to a new capability and thinking that china gave to the messiah nuclear capability. and china has, after the occupation of tibet become for the 1st time in history. the 1st time in history neighbor and we had a $962.00 conflict in which india was sort of a deal on the border. and since then into the number of years, india has time to manage the relationship with china. digging into account the fact that it's a neva, it's a big follow, and almond at enmity with it would not be helpful and try and find some common

ground rich. i know i'm due until jaya in recent years started becoming much more aggressive, especially on 2000. and then we've got to get it on the bench on china. and then we've had recent direct conflict in the east on the dock, which is continuing. and you know, china is a nuclear country focused on the nuclear country board. and you bought nuclear, please claim india and dentistry. they are in league with each other. now you have the start of august on economic. got it. ok. so we have chasing a very big challenge from china. so a glance to your question, china is a major entity. now in this concerns, we're trying to chime with the united states allies. you know, better than i do that it gave rise to i knew so far informal grouping, the so called quad reach out far as from in the united states and japan,

australia. i'm in your writing. you've been pretty straight forward and saying that, you know, foremost statements assigned a group. the quad is intended to counter the growing china as threats. i wonder what our current and possible means of countering we primarily talking about medic signaling some coordination me you know, psychological pressure or do you think may sooner or later come down to some joint kinetic action? no, no, no that i don't think it's likely. and i don't think any in any country wants it, it'll, it'll harm everybody. it is that china is expanding his navy in a totally unprecedented the 1st half in history. a country has expanded his navy so rapidly. why is it doing it as clearly said that they want to build a blue water? they want to protect it as us abroad. the building porch all over the place,

the maritime su, chickens, indian ocean security because of the positioning themselves in baker countries in, in ocean. now they have these 2 got it all going as important, and i'm sure, let me, let me make this point, which is that they're developing. talk on it a lot from you non, to me on my to be able to go all the other france, you tube on into the indian, into the sea. and then they have, of course, the via the initiative it, which will, which is a dominate english. yes. so it will be the 1st time in history that the continental in asia will also see to dominate whether they succeeded the different better when the little indian ocean. and that's why i think we have to devise some days and means to those that missions and the, and the, and the place to start coming is the south china sea,

the western pacific. because of the expand and go the indian ocean and create a much larger for the security of india. and now this jigsaw puzzle won't be complete without rush. and i'm sure you know that the russians are instinctively very mistrustful of any initiatives, especially security initiatives involving the united states for a minute on a recent visit to an interest to the region alluded to, was as asian made. so do you think that's an appropriate comparison and do you think because the members would law, would like to be seen or perceived that we as members of some sort of a military align? well, to begin with this, the chinese will 1st off calling a nation will be back in 2007 when the 1st 40 natural exercise took place, in fact,

also joint so. so it's not as if foreign minister was focused on ation. natal number to japan, australia and united states are already allies. so they wanted to have a natal natal holiday dad. but simply because it's india going to have military exercises with the other countries are the sort of the, the for, for, into kind of a military allies. number 3, india will never join the military. this is not in our d n a. i think it is an exercise to send signals to china that it must garbage is ambitions must play by that must not violate international law must not make sovereignty claims which are not supported by last and explain who, what is it intention in terms of developing for the navy with so many across got

years, they have to order the purpose. it's a gemini domination. i'm a bit surprised that the foreign minister le expedia team, the experienced. and i admire him for many, for his diplomatic skills, as to why despite the last bladder explanations still expresses some innovations, how the quotes and the indoor. he understands what india's concerns divisions. but i'm sure you also understand what russian concerns in reservations are having search here as an ambassador for russia, china is a natural counter policy against the us to call them just that is for india, the united states is a natural counterbalance again, china and i want to ask you, was there sort of triangulation, that are always inviting in a big guy to manage biological relationship is that is our deafening, this region. i mean, is it an average of all these powers in this part of the world will always have to

call on others to come in and how them manage wanted one another? well, you know, if you look at what is happening on down, india is a very keen to manage this relationship within the ation context. that is why we still participate despite all our differences with china and russia. and yet we are off the bricks. and of course, we are back of a seal, which is a clear signal to go through that despite our problem, which china replaced a lot of these forums which were initiated, essentially by russia. and they are from our bilateral relationship with russia. it is another duty lateral forum in which we can develop better understanding with russia and the simulations and have a platform also discussing these issues. it china, now united states is action from issue. i mean they don't have any football. they

are from a very, very rare and while they got a gun, it sounds good and in asia all. so the only way they can be indeed is a seas because you use any navy which can go anywhere in the world. and we have common interest with them in order to protect the feelings of communication from chinese encroachments indian the notion of asheville for bringing the united states in the maritime domain to be able to counter china's ambitions, but on land. no, we are not interested in scheming with united states or anybody. yes. now, let me ask you about these that are humanitarian aspect of such relationship because when i found itself face to face with an avalanche of 19, china seemed to be far more forthcoming in offering its helping,

offering assistance. danger down the united states. i know that the washington has tried to change that for them the resign. this software has more empathic. but i wonder if this initial unbounded men of india by the united states was disheartening and also revealing. i mean, i understand what you're saying. you know, you treat this military corporation as one issue. you can have a different position on another rounds of corporation. but you know, military accuracy is an important one and it's about trust. it's about coming to each other's, help it in the time of raise me then. i wonder if india is expecting was expecting that from the united states because it's ready to cooperate for that on such a sensitive issue as the fans is the one when the china and the

problem with the one white us india then help it's not as if we didn't made a gesture, so i suppose for diplomatic reason. china fees that visual rhetoric brocade that yes, so it's not as if it is one side. secondly, just now, well knows that the edition ship has gone southwards, very steep, the because off there, aggression in the sun, the dock where the mileage of all our border demons beginning from 993. it's a new game that john was playing. and devil, this kind of manager and gesture is neither here nor there in terms of the real issues. solution 6, why not just say yes, you're right initially, not on the john biden. norma restrictions invoke the defense act to prevent off vaccines and radians to manufacture vaccines

to india. anybody else for that matter? and it was a bit of a problem, but since then they have relaxed, their position. auto assistance has come into a lot maxine in dan's office radiance. we are negotiating with them be in touch with them. i think they will be somebody like station the us in this community has gone forward in a very big way. and of course, united states are supported south african, the engine proposal in the w deal to spend agents temporarily fight the crisis your voice resisting. so let's see how it goes. but i think united states have been selfish to begin by making amends about we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state you me or i

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the me or i welcome back to all the parts of all ship, all indian former secretary and miss just about before they break, we started talking about home with 19 experienced i wonder if it's very difficult. ordeal is going to have any implications for in foreign policy and overall assessment of priorities because all of our country spending billions, if not trillions on or defying against one another. while many, many thousands of people are dying from the lack of necessary woodman. do you think the call that 9 in experience that you have had will affect its priorities?

and it's assessment all in any way? well, you know, want to assume that this is going to be a very long it lobby, only limited to india, the world, and always so much into independent and so much linked to each other. that india i'll be able to control this than i have spent as on the other hand, unfortunately, there's a lot of negative propaganda on this against india because there's always been this part of the houses that india has the sky, the worst crisis. and therefore, the 2nd wave stuck struck. there is a lot of that i think in the rest on media and this and that. but if you look at the hard to guess, hard for because we are one point. see 1000000000 people. if you look proportionately as either the number of inspections or that yes, it is way way smaller than any other, any other countries. this factor. because india in the book

appetite figures are not mentioned at all. but even now, the 2nd wave has begun to receive at one moment be 400000 infections every day. just come down to about 261-227-0000. and the number to desa also gone down. so if you look at the book after seeing only one percent to be in the us population hadn't been as effective if so it's not other places. but because of the recent oxygen shortage is and the policy be given to that. and also how doing scenes only the projected as the major major thing, which in some senses in terms of human life last was the case. but if you look at the overall picture, it is, it is by no means you just add it as being in france or germany or united states or,

or italy or any of these countries. now i want to add position to base that our bilateral aspect of india's relation. you are the best person to talk about that because in addition to serving as a for the secretary, as i'm bathroom, a host of countries including russia reach, has always private relationship with india. but i have a feeling that this relationship has always been falling short of a potential. are we destined to be sympathetic to one another, but sort of descendant to pre occupied by other challenges to give this relationship a fair chance? no, i think we have to accept children as realities. if fortunately, unfortunately, we are not contiguous to each other. if we were, then you would fuel our economy and economy like a country can because your boss or sources and the kind of response that nice for.

but we are not contiguous. number one, number 2, in dummies or defense still remains of guess bought. although abortion at lee, the share of russian exposed to india has fallen, but you still are far ahead. far ahead. number number 2, we are the only country build a nuclear power plants in india. we have invested a lot in the russian enter, like $1415000000000.00 invested in $1000000000.00 in energy potential. we have our data relationship. it demands very, very good. but we'd like to address that when brand new movie was invited to the folks we had to say and be meant to participate in the development of the beast, including its oil and gas resources. we have sets about this on paper, at least the auction. i got it all which actually makes in if

you bought as a business artist abandoned the concept of interpretation because you're all of a show in very material terms. the relationship with shots remains very important for us. and it's not my view for a long time that russia is absolutely critical in terms of maintaining a policy. and despite this of us, actually if you go to the s for under the are going, we are going and nobody going to to us who are different spot us. now you just listed out there is a config. your difference in how rushman engine, diplomat to your part of the world. the russians call it the asia pacific, while the indians insist on the into pacific. isn't just the linguist think picking, or is it truly reflective on how different maybe 2 powers conceptualize this asian?

well, you know, i think the russian side to the bush, she had that when 1st the concept of a ship pacific was developed. and it was not included because it stopped at me on my india was never considered part of asia, even the when the europe set up this awesome india was excluded. we told them i can explore the 2nd biggest country in asia in an asian europe in dial, in earlier on when they set up the impacts. so the asia pacific, in del excluded. so in the us, if it actually is a condition that in yeah, let's not be an issue over the india because he's using china century been as it was mistake as being is the nobody or china pacific either. right. or the simple reason that you are going to talk about is joe. and then you must include india. now you want to call it in though, is that yes, that's a very unwieldy formulation,

but you can call it just like but in the pacific, i mean distributed condition that india and pacific are linked because the security of india and pacific and linked on it applies to also your stickler g interest in d and his region. so this semantic defenses to my mind are not very helpful because i continues to call it. the implication is that they're going to consider, i'm sure there's an obligation reality, but at least the appearance is that you do not consider india as well as speaking about if you need, the americans are old, you're happy. you, you know, give the india this verbal recognition because in official document the department doesn't need to refer to this region as the and in the pacific. how susceptible, how sensitive are they?

indians do these kind of verbal flattery from american no, it's not love us actually, frankly, because the, the security of the indian ocean is absolutely linked to the security of the rest and pacific dialogue. talking about the difference is that ex country may, i would like on create a western pacific about, you know, if the chinese, some means are going to come in the, in the notion and doc at the colombo bought how they're going to go. they're going to come from the rest of the pacific and naval it is our job political interests, which i'm sure she'll experience so you know, politics interest to see that giant as naval ambitions. and they don't create a problem for us in the indian, because they clearly made this known to the maritime support project. therefore, it is quite normal that we think the security of the indian ocean to that of the western pacific. but beyond that,

i can't see why anybody should have any questions about the concert, talk in the, in the pacific go, i agree that from the american point of view, they want to emphasize the china said from our point of view, we want to talk about the security of the indian ocean, including the western indian ocean, where we have joined up with france. and it's india and foster become say, very states a good, good. cooperate, a players with regard to the security of the western indian. if i may please, one more question about interest relationship with the, with the american the united states seems to put a premium on its relations. but india, they are willing to go. they astra, mom, where you make certain accessions for you that they would not make well other than yes, your reasons or role that compared to the differences you have with russia. those of the united states much less confine. what do you mean by that?

you know, the thing is that relationship with america has dimensions which i relationship with no other country has. often the fact that we have big data and some of the leaders are actually heading the big social media giants in the united states to under 1000 indian students. in the united states and bilateral stated, and in the $45000000000.00 differentiated, also growing up in the sector. we are slowly intertwined. and in fact, we have a balance of paid, blessed with with last economy like the united states. so there's a lot going on, in addition, she bought in the past united states as being the biggest strategic all differently in the boss. united states has done the biggest strategic damage to india or decades, sanctioning us preventing cooperation in,

in various sectors, denying us technology getting in general and gives me back in august on even now on this on there just leaving are gone on. i think it will be the other bar and they're giving focused on a major role in the gun is annoying. collateral damage will be to india about doing it because they're pursuing their own interest. so we are very clear about what our relations with united states. fortunately with abiding some differences that have appeared regard on this on. if you don't have any cash offer geopolitical interest, you can also china, they don't raise this issue because we understand what a couple issues are. a nice family dot com to understand for the life of me why united states as a shots and try not to get a job. politics wouldn't demand that this did reach out to russia to try and break

this down as well and give some openings. so that sounds, but that's another story. well, mr. all, you have too much experience for my brain power, you know, ponder questions like that. i, i don't think there are many people in the american administration or on the same level. that's why they're not asking those questions, but anyway, we have to leave it there. i really appreciate your, with them today. thank you very much for finding the time and thank you very much for all the best and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on the world's apart. from me the me ah,

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it doesn't exist by turning this russian into this dangerous man that wants to take over the world. that was a conscious strategy. so some little bit on your own. i english v i v, i not leashed off in one tablet block nato could. it's out. we move east. the reason us had jimmy, it's dangerous, is the lie. the sovereignty of all the countries, the exceptionalism that america uses in its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nato, what is founded shareholders in the united states and elsewhere in large companies would lose millions and millions or is business and businesses good. and that is the reality of what we're facing, which is faster than the

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