into your political rivalry, no wonder the reading that the next the war will break out in asia is not a credible breath. well, it is not that i'm now joy by for while devolved, you just form our foreign secretary. you actually, it's a great pleasure, great honor for me to talk to you. thank you very much for your time. my pleasure. thank you very much. been right, and now you gave me several days more than 4 days of your life to be diplomatic service. diplomacy, especially in your region, has never been short on rivalry, intrigues and all sorts of complicated relationships. when you look back at your long career, do you think current diplomat, those who are in service right now, do they have it easier or more difficult? when i think the situation has become much more complex than before, in asia, things are become very difficult because all the idle china and the inability

of not only the neighboring countries of china, but also europe and the united states to come to terms with it. and we talk about the 2 cities as being policy for various and establish video all the reasons for a conflict. what is happening is that the united states has now in recent years, under john and even under bite, and become very vocal about the central china and, and designating your principal adversity, along with russia. and therefore, i think how this will play out is going to effect agreed the security in asia because there's no reason no security. ready architecture now, can i hear about india spread perception because at the time when i entered my profession, this, the tension in india and pakistan were considered to be the chief rivalry of the

continent. but you just mentioned that your disagreements with china and i wonder if they have already starting started to overpaid the tensions with packets. and i mean, who is indian chief rival or chief concern at this point of time? is it packaged or is it china already? was it had already been shy except that in yeah, i tried to manage a relationship with china in a different way because there hasn't been a history or a all the on trying to. so the world against india, or putting in di blame on india with regard to a new capability and thinking that china gave or to the messiah and nuclear capability. and

china has, after the occupation of tibet become for the 1st time in history. the 1st time in history neighbor and we had the $962.00 conflict in which india was sort of a deal on the border. and since then into the number of years, india has time to manage the relationship with china. digging into account the fact that it's a neva, it's a big follow and ominous enmity with it would not be helpful and try and find some common ground rich china undo until in recent years started becoming much more aggressive, especially from 2005 with regard to audio bench on china and then the recent direct conflict in the east on the dock which is continuing and you know, china is a nuclear country focused on the nuclear country board and you're both nuclear please claim india and dentistry. they are in league with each other. now you have

the start of august on economic got it off. so we have chasing a very big challenge from china. so we'll go answer your question. china is our major energy. now in this concerns, we're trying to chime with those of the united states and its allies, you know, better than i do that it gave rise to i knew so far in form of grouping, the so called cooperation apart from in the united states and japan, australia, i'm in your writing, you've been pretty straight forward and saying that you know, foremost statements besides these group, the quad is intended to counter the growing china's threats. i wonder what our current and possible means of countering we primarily talking about medic signaling some coordination me you know, psychological pressure or do you think may sooner or later come down to some joint kinetic action?

no, no, no that i don't think it's likely. and i don't think any in any country wants it, it'll, it'll harm everybody. it is that china is expanding, is navy, and it totally unprecedented. for the 1st time in history, a country has expanded its navy so rapidly. why is it doing? it clearly said that they want to build a blue water. they want to protect s. s abroad, building porch all over the place there many times in the sentence. indian national security because of the positioning themselves in baker countries in ocean. now they have these 2, got it all going as important, and i should let you to let me make this point which is developing, talk on why from united to me on my to be able to bring all the other fancy to back us on into the indian into the a, b and c. and then they have a general initiative in which will, which is

a dominate english. yes. so it will be the 1st time in history that the continental in asia will also see to dominate whether they succeeded the different battle. when the little indian ocean and that's why i think we have to devise some days and means to those missions and the very end and the place will start coming is the south china sea, the western pacific. because of the expand in the indian ocean and create a much larger for the security of india. and now this jigsaw puzzle won't be complete without russia. and i'm sure you know that the russians are instinctively very mistrustful of any initiatives, especially security initiatives involving the united states for a minute on a recent visit to an interest to the region alluded to,

was as asian made. so do you think that's an appropriate comparison and do you think because members would law would like to be seen or perceived that we as members of some sort of a military alliance? well, to begin with this, the chinese will 1st started calling and ation base will be back in 2007 when the 1st actual exercise took place, in fact, joint so. so it's not as if foreign minister was focused on an issue. nato number to japan, australia and united states. ready are already allies, so they wanted to have a natal natal holiday dad. but simply because if india is going to have military exercises with the other country doesn't sort of the, the for, for into kind of

a military allies. number 3 and there was no joint ability. this is not in our dna . i think it is an exercise to go send signals to china that it must garbage is, ambitions must be a by letter. we must not violate international law must not make sovereignty claims which are not supported by last and explain what is it intention in terms of developing navy with so many across got years? what are the purpose is it's a gemini domination. i'm a bit surprised that the foreign minister le expedia team, the experienced, and i bought implementing for diplomatic skills as to why despite to us, despite or explanations still expresses some innovations about how the quotes and the in the understand whether what india is concerned, divisions, but you also understand what our russian concerns in reservations are having

service. here as an ambassador for russia, china is a natural counter pounds. again, the us a call just that is for india, the united states is a natural counterbalance again, china and i want to ask you, was there sort of triangulation on, you know, sort of always inviting in a big guy to manage biological relationship is that is our destiny in this region. i mean, is it an average of all these powers in this part of the world will always have to call on others to come in and how them manage wanted one another. well, you know, if you look at what is happening on down, india is a very keen to manage this relationship within the ation context. that is why we still participate despite all our differences with china and russia. and yet we are off the bricks. and of course, we are back of a seal, which is

a clear signal to do that. despite our problem with china, we placed a lot of these forums which was initiated, essentially by russia. and they have our former bilateral relish issue with russia . it is another lateral forum in which we can develop better understanding with russia and assassinations and have a platform also for discussing these issues. it china. now united states is a central issue. i mean, they don't have any football. they are from a very, very rare and want to go out of a gun is in a shuttle. so the only place that can be in need is a seas. because you use any navy which can go anywhere in the world. and we have common interest with them in order to protect the feelings of communication from chinese encroachments indian the notion best of asheville for bringing the united

states in the maritime domain to be able to go to china's ambitions, but on land. no, we are not interested in steaming off with the united states or anybody. yes. now, let me ask you about the humanitarian aspect of such relationship because when he found his south face to face with an avalanche of 19 trying to seem to be far more forthcoming in offering its helping, offering assistance to get down the united states. i know that washington has tried to change that and resigned itself as more empathic. but i wonder if this initial unbounded meant of india by the united states was disheartening and also revealing. i mean, i understand what you're saying. you know, you treat this military corporation as want to sure. i mean, you can have

a different position on another rounds of corporation, but you know, military aspect is an important one and it's about trust. it's about coming to each other. how. but in the time of raise me then i wonder if india is expecting was expecting that from the united states because it's ready to cooperate for that on such a sensitive issue as the fan is the one where the china and the problem with the one lighters india in health is not as if we didn't make that gesture. so i suppose for diplomatic reason. china fees that visual rhetoric brocade that yes, so it's not as if it is one side. secondly, just now, well knows that the relationship has gone southwards, very steep. because off there aggression in east and a dock where the violation of all border devens beginning from 993. it's

a new game that john is playing. and devil, this kind of manager and gesture is neither head on in terms of legal issues, relationships. so i just say yes, you're right, initially, not on the jump, but the biden normal restrictions invoke the defense act to prevent off vaccines and radians to manufacture vaccines to india. anybody else for that matter? and it was a bit of a problem, but since then they have relaxed their position. nato assistance has come into the next scenes in terms of ingredients. we are negotiating with them, be in touch with them. i think they will be somebody like susan, the us in this community has come forward in a very big way. and of course, not just a supported south african, the engine proposal in the w t o to spend agents temporarily to fight the

crisis listing. so let's see how it goes, but i think united states have been selfish to begin by making amends about we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state you the me or i i can't rec, drugs are essential for millions of patients or are they,

they want that pill that they hope will take care of their problem thoroughly and rapidly in the short term they really work. the problem is, in the long term, they're mostly disastrous. suddenly stopping a drug can cause withdrawal symptoms more serious than the condition that was meant to treat instead of the beneficial effects of these different medicines. any up to something wonderful, very often they're harmful effects and up to something terrible can pills. so of all ills, or are we trying to mitigate life itself? i just think i was and i was just scared, scare little girl of 24. and like, didn't have to be so complicated for me or i welcome back to all the parts of it. it's kind of all ship all its former

secretary, mr. st. about before they break, we started talking about home with 19 experienced. i wonder if this very difficult ordeal is going to have any implications for in foreign policy and india overall assessment of priorities. because all of our country spending billions, if not trillions on for defining against one another. while many, many thousands of people are dying from the lack of necessary workman, do you think the call that 9 in experience that you have had will effective priorities? and it's assessment all threads in any way. well, you know, want to assume that this is going to be a very long does it lot be limited to india, the world,

and i always so much independent and so much link to each other that india i'll be able to control this than i have spent as on the other hand, unfortunately, there's a lot of negative propaganda on this against india because there's always been this part of the houses that india has escaped the worst crisis. and therefore the 2nd wave stuck struck. there is a lot of that i think in the rest on media and this and that. but if you look at the hard to guess, hard because we are going to see 1000000000 people if you look proportionately as either the number of inspections or that yes, it is way way smaller than any other, any other countries. this factor. because india is in the book, appetite figures are not mentioned at all, but even now the 2nd wave has begun to receive at one moment. be 400000 infections

every day. just come down to about 261-227-0000. and the number of deaths has also gone down. so if you look at the book after seeing only one percent to be in the us population being affected. if so, it's not a lot of places, but because of the recent oxygen shortage is and obviously the given to that and also how doing scenes only the projected as the major major thing which in some senses in terms of human life last was the case. but if you look at the overall picture, it is, it is by no means it is, it has been in france or germany, or united states, or, or italy or any of these countries. now i want to position to base that our bilateral aspect of india's relation. you are the best person to talk about that because say in addition to serving as a for the secretary,

i'm bathroom. host of countries including russia reach, has always private relationship of india. but i have a feeling that this relationship has always been falling short of potential. are we destined to be sympathetic to one another, but sort of descendant too preoccupied by other challenges to give this relationship a fair chance? no, i think we have to accept children as realities, if fortunately or unfortunately we are not contiguous to each other. if we were, then you about fuel our economy and economy like a country can because you got such a boss as sources and the kind of responses that nice for the schools, but we are not contiguous number one. number 2, in terms of defense still remains our biggest spot, although proportionately the share of russian exposed to india has fallen,

but you still are far ahead off. i thought i had a number. number 2, we are the only country build a nuclear power plants in india. we have invested a lot in the russian enter the sector, like $1415000000000.00 invested by $13000000000.00 in energy potential. we have our data relationship, it demands very, very good. but we'd like to address that when bramlett the movie was invited to the last we had to say and be meant to participate in the development of the east, including its oil and gas resources. we have sets about this on paper, at least a lot of folks, and i got it all which actually makes in. if you made parties are based on his abandon the whole concept of interpretation because you're all votes a so in, in very material terms, the relationship with shots remains very important for us. and it's not my view for

a long time that russia is absolutely critical in terms of maintaining policy. and despite this type of traction, if you go to the s for under yeah, going, we are going to know what he can do to us who are defense us. now you just alluded to that there is a configure a difference in how rushman engine diplomat to your part of the world. the russians call it the asia pacific, while the indians insist on the into pacific. isn't just the linguist picking or is it truly reflective of how different maybe 2 hours conceptualize this asian when you know, i think the russian side to the bush, she had that when 1st the concert alicia pacific was developed and it was not included because it stopped at me on my india, i was never part of asia,

even the when the euro set up this awesome india was excluded. we told them i can explore the 2nd biggest country in asia in an asian europe in dial, in earlier on when they set up the impacts. so the asia pacific in yellow and excluded so enormous, i think actually is recognition that in that cannot be an issue without india because he's using a china centric banner that he was mistake is being nobody or china pacific either . right. or the simple reason that you are going to talk about is and then you must include india. now you want to call it in though is that that's a very unreal leak formulation, but you can call it just like but in the pacific. i mean, there should be like ignition that india and pacific are linked because the

security of india and pacific and linked on it applies to also your lot of technology interest in the in region. so this semantic defenses to my mind are not very helpful because i continues to call it a shepherd city. the implication is that they don't consider, i'm sure this is not the case in the but at least the appearance is that you will not consider india as well as speaking about the americans are older happy, you know, give the indian this verbal recognition because in official document that they department doesn't need to refer to this region as the in the pacific. how susceptible, how sensitive are they? indians do these kind of verbal flattery from american? no, it's not love us actually, frankly, because the, the security of the indian ocean is absolutely linked to the security of the rest

and pacific dialogue. talking about the difference is that ex country may, i would like on the western pacific about, you know, if the chinese, some means are going to come in the, in the notion and doc at the columbus bought how they want to go. they're going to come from the rest of the pacific and they have all it is our job political interests, which i'm sure she'll experience so, you know, politics interest to see that giant us naval ambitions. and they don't create a problem for us in the indian ocean because they clearly made this known to the maritime project. therefore, it is quite normal that we think the security of the indian ocean into that of the western pacific. but beyond that, i can't see why anybody should have any questions about the concept of in the endo pacific go. i agree that from the american point

of view, they want to emphasize the china offset. from our point of view, we want to talk about the security of the indian ocean, including the western indian ocean, where we have joined up with france and india and foster become say, very states a good cooperative players with regard to the security of the western indian if i may please, one more question about interest relationship with the, with the american the united states seems to put a premium on its relations. but india, they're willing to go. they astra, mom for you make certain assumptions for you that they would not make well other than yes, your reasons or role that compared to the differences you have with russia, those of the united states much less confine. what do you mean by that? you know, the thing is that relationship with america has dimensions which i relationship with. no other country has off from the fact that we have big data. and some of the

leaders are actually heading the big social media giants in the united states. $200000.00 indian students in the united states, bilateral stated, and in the $45000000000.00 differentiated, also growing up in the sector. we are slowly intertwined. and in fact, we have a balance of trade with, with last economy like the united states. so there's a lot going into, in addition, she bought in the past united states as being the biggest, strategic or many differently in the boss united states has done the biggest strategic damage to india or decades, sanctioning us the vending corporation in, in various sectors denying us technology getting in jail more, get me back in august on even now on on. they're just leaving or gone on. i think

it will. it will be the other bar and they're giving focused on a major role in august and knowing that the collateral damage will be to india, but they're doing it because they're pursuing their own interest. so we are very clear about what our relations with united states. fortunately with a binding, some difference in that regard on this on that you don't have any cash offer geopolitical interest. you will also shine. i'm, i don't really have that issue because we understand what a couple issues are nice family dock out understand for the life of me why united states as a shots and try not to get a job. politics wouldn't demand that this did reach out to russia to try and break this down as well and give some openings. so that sounds, but that's another story. well, if you have too much experience for my brain power, ponder questions like that. i, i don't think there are many people in the american administration or on the same

level. that's why they're not asking those questions, but anyways, we have to leave it there. i really appreciate your, with them today. thank you very much for finding the time and thank you very much for all the best. and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on the world's apart. ah, me, the me . ah, ah, the ah.

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