the welcome worlds apart as the great power politics is not dod different from the jostling place in a high school hierarchy. big guys playing games of him against one another. well, trying to marshall others, cause why the pacific journey you have a combustible mix of national interest size by the ever present political rivalry. no wonder the reading that the next big war will break out in asia is not a credible threat to discuss it. i'm now joined by for a while just for me or foreign secretary, you actually see is a great pleasure, great honor for me to talk to you. thank you very much for finding the time. my pleasure. thank you very much. been like, and not you gave me several days more than 4 days of your life to be diplomatic service. diplomacy, especially in your region, has never been short on rivalry, intrigues and all sort of complicated relationships. when you look back at your

long career, do you think current diplomat, those who are in service right now, do they have it easier or more difficult? when i think this is jason has begun much more complex nature. things are become very difficult because all the idle china and the inability of not only the neighboring countries of china, but also europe and the united states to come to terms with it. and we only spoke about the 2 cities as ising policy for just re establish follow video, all the reasons for a concert. what is happening is that the united states has now in recent years, under john, even under bite and become very vocal about the central china and, and designating your slow adversity along with russia.

and. ready therefore. busy i think us how this will play out is going to effect agreed the security an issue because there is no reason or security. ready architecture now about india perception, because at the time when i entered my profession, this, the tension in india and pakistan were considered to be the chief rivalry of the continent. but you just mentioned your disagreements with china. and i wonder if they have already starting started to overpaid the, the tensions with packets. and i mean, who is india's q rival or she's concerned at this point of time? is it packaged or is it china already? was it already being shy except that in the side to manage a relationship with china in a different way because it hasn't been a history or partition on august on trying to live. so the stomach was

against india or putting in blame on india with regard to a new capability. and thinking that china gave back to the messiah nuclear capability. and china has, after the occupation of tibet begun for the 1st time in history for the 1st time in history. neighbor. and we had the $962.00 conflict in which india was to be on the border. and since then into the economic some years, india has died to manage the relationship with china, taking into account the fact that it's a neva, it's a big follow. and ominous and wiki with it would not be helpful and try and find some common ground rich. i know i'm due until shy and recent years started becoming

much more aggressive, especially from 2005 with regard to audio danger on china and then be about recent direct conflict in east on the dock which is continuing. and you know, china is a nuclear country focused on the nuclear country board and you bought nuclear, please claim india and the dentistry they are in league with each other. now you have the startup august on economic got it off. so we are facing a very big challenge from china. so go on to your question. china is our major energy. now, in this concerns, we're trying to chime with those of the united states and its allies. you know, better than i do that it gave rise to i knew. so for informal grouping, the so called cooperation far as from the united states and japan, australia. i'm in your writing, you've been pretty straightforward and saying, you know, formal statements besides these group,

the quad isn't handed to counter is the growing china's threat. i wonder what our current and possible means of conjuring we primarily talking about medic signaling some coordination me you know, psychological pressure or do you think may sooner or later come down to some joint kinetic action? no, no, no that i don't think it's likely. and i don't think any in any country wants it'll, it'll, it'll harm everybody. it is that china is expanding its navy in it, totally unprecedented. so the 1st up in history, a country has expanded its navy so rapidly. why is it doing? it clearly said that they want to build a blue water. they want to protect s. s abroad, building porch all over the place. they're metadata, food chickens, indian ocean security because they are positioning themselves in baker countries in,

in ocean. now they have these 2, got it all going as important and i should let you, let me make this point, which is that they're developing to lot from united to me on my way to the building all the other from sion. janet to back us on into the indian into the a, b and c. and then they have a course that general initiative which will, which is dominated english. yes. so it will be the 1st time in history that a continental law in asia were also a dominant, whether they succeeded or not, the different battle when the little indian ocean. and that's why i think we have to devise some days and means to those missions and the very end and the place will start coming is the south china sea, the western pacific. because of the expand and go the indian ocean and create a much larger for the security of india another. now,

this jigsaw puzzle won't be complete without russia, and i'm sure you know that the russians are instinctively very mistrustful of any initiatives, especially security initiatives involving the united states for a minute on a recent visit to an interest to do a rude issue was as asian made so do you think that's an appropriate comparison and do you think because members would, law would like to be seen or perceived at least as members of some sort of military align well to, to begin with this, the chinese will 1st started calling and asian base will be back in 2007 when the 1st actual exercise took place, in fact, also joint so. so it's not as if foreign minister was focusing

on an issue natal number to japan, australia and united states. ready are already allies, they wanted to have a natal natal holiday dad. but simply because if india is going to have military exercises with the other country, the sort of a, the, the for, for into kind of military allies. number 3 endeavors, never join the military. this is not in our d n a. i think it is an exercise to send signals to china that it must garbage is ambitions must play by that must not violate. international law must not make sovereignty claims, which are not supported by last and explain what is it intention in terms of developing navy with so many across got years for the purpose. it's a gemini domination. i'm a bit surprised that the foreign minister le expedia team,

the experienced, and i bought him for many, for his diplomatic skills as to why despite was despite to explanations, still expresses as a basis of how the god and the indoor. he understands what india is concerned, divisions, but also understanding what our russian concerns in reservations are having search here as an ambassador for russia, china is a natural counter pounds. again, the us a call just that is for india and the united states is a natural counterbalance again, china and i want to ask you, was there sort of triangulation on, you know, sort of always inviting in a big guy to manage biological relationship is that is our destiny in this region. i mean, is it inevitable that big power is in this part of the world will always have to call on others to come in and how them managed. wanted one another. well, you know,

if you look at what is happening on down, india is very, very keen to manage this relationship within the ation context. that is why we still participate despite all our differences with china and russia. and yet we up off the bricks. and of course we are a seal which is a clear signal to do that. despite our problem with china wheatley, it's a lot of these forums which will initiate essentially by russia and they have are from a bilateral relationship with russia. it is another lateral forum in which we can develop better understanding with russia and assassinations and have a platform also for discussing these issues in china. now, united states is a central issue. i mean, they don't have any football. they are from a very, very good i never understood and i want to go out of

a gun in a shovel. so the only way they can be indeed is a seas because you use any navy which can go anywhere in the world. and we have common interest with them in order to protect the feelings of communication from chinese encroachments indian the notion of rational for bringing the united states in the maritime demand to be able to counter china's ambitions, but on land. no, we are not interested in steaming off with the united states or anybody. yes. now, let me ask you about the humanitarian aspect. all such relationship because when i found itself face to face with an avalanche of 19 trying to seem to be far more forthcoming in offering is helping, offering assistance to get down the united states. i know that washington has tried

to change the course and resigned itself as more empathic. but i wonder if this initial unbounded meant of india by the united states was disheartening and also revealing. i mean, i understand what you're saying that, you know, you treat this military corporation as, you know, as long as you're, i'm, you can have a different position on another rounds of corporation. but, you know, military aspect is an important one and it's about trust. it's about coming to each other's, help it in the time of raise me then. i wonder if india is expecting was expecting that from the united states because it's ready to cooperate with that on such a sensitive issue as the fans is the one when the china and the problem with the one line of india and health is not as if we didn't made

a gesture, so i suppose for diplomatic reason, china fees, that disorder actually broke it. that just so it's not as if it is one side. secondly, just now, well knows that that addition shit has gone southwards, very steep because of their aggression in east london where the mileage of all. busy border demons, beginning from 993. it's a new game that china is playing. and devil, this kind of manager and gesture is neither here nor there in towns off the real issues. relationships. and i just say, yes, you're right. initially. not on the jump, but the biden. norma restrictions is walk the defense act to prevent off vaccines and radians to manufacture vaccines to india. anybody else for that matter? and it was a bit of a problem, but since then they relaxed the position of the systems as coming to the next

scenes in dan's office. radiance. we are negotiating with them. be in touch with them. i think they will be somebody lactation. the us in this community has gone forward in a very big way. and of course, not just a supported south african, the engine proposal in the w deal to suspend begins temporarily to fight the crisis your abilities assisting. so let's see how it goes. but i think united states have been face to begin by making comments about we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state you the me or i

the i what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have, it's crazy plantation, let it be an arms race is on, often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time. time to sit down and talk

the me a welcome back to all the parts of all ship, all former secretary and mr. st. about before they break, we started talking about home with 19 experienced. i wonder if this very difficult ordeal. it bring to have any implications for in foreign policy and india's overall assessment of priorities. because all of our countries spending billions, if not trillions on for defining against one another. while many, many thousands of people are dying from the lack of necessary woodman. do you think the call that 9 in experience that you have had will affect its priorities and it's

assessment of threats in any way. well, you know, want to assume that this is going to be a very long, long limited to india, the world. and i always so much independent and so much link to each other that i'll be able to control this than i have spent elsewhere. on the other hand, unfortunately, there is a lot of negative propaganda on this against india because it will be in this meant that how is it that india has escaped the worst crisis. and therefore, when the 2nd wave stuck struck, there is a lot of that i things in the rest on media and this and that. but if you look at the hard to guess, hard figures, we are going to see 1000000000 people. if you look proportionately at either the number of inspections or that gets, it is way, way smaller than any other, any other countries. this factor. because india,

the appetite figures are not mentioned at all. even now, the 2nd wave has begun to receive at one moment to be 400000 infections every day. just come down to about 2 161-227-0000. and the number of deaths also gone down. so if you look at the book after saying only one percent will be in the us population hadn't been as effective if so it's not a lot of crisis. but because of the recent oxygen shortage is and the policy the given to that. and also how doing scenes only the projected as the major major thing, which in some senses in terms of human life last was the case. but if you look at the overall picture, it is, it is by no means you just add it as being in france or germany or united states or,

or italy or any of these countries. now i want to add position to base that our bilateral aspect of india is relation. you are the best person to talk about that because in addition to serving as a secretary, as i'm bathroom, a host of countries including russia reach, has always private relationship of india. but i have a feeling that this relationship has always been falling short of its potential. are we destined to be sympathetic to one another, but sort of descendant too preoccupied by other challenges to give this relationship a fair chance? no, i think we have to accept certain as realities if fortunately or unfortunately we are not contiguous to each other. if we were, then you about fuel our economy and economy like a country can because you got such a boss or sources. and then i noticed also that india nice,

but we are not contiguous number one, number 2 in dumbs or defense still remains our guest spot, although proportionately the share of russian exposed to india has fallen. but still far ahead of us. far ahead. number number 2, we are the only country building nuclear power plants in india. we have invested a lot in that are shown as like $1415000000000.00 invested by $13000000000.00 in energy potential. we have our relationship, it demands very, very good. but when i go dressed up, when bramlett the movie was invited to the last, we had to say at the mentor to participate in the development of the east, including its oil and gas resources. we have sets about this on paper, at least the auction. i got it all which actually makes in if

you bought as a best artist, abandoned the concept of interpretation, but you're also a pacific. so in, in very material terms, the relationship with shots means very important for us. and it's not my view for a long time. that russia is absolutely critical in terms of getting balanced in policy. and despite this set of us sanctions, if you go to the s for under the going, we are going to know what he can do to us who are defense us. now you just alluded to that there is a configure difference in how rushman engine diplomat to your part of the world. the russians call it the asia pacific, while the indians insist on the in the pacific. isn't just the linguist think speaking, or is it truly reflective on how different maybe 2 hours conceptualize this asian

well, you know, i think the russian side should show the bush. she had that when 1st the concert reship pacific was developed and it was not included. because it stopped at me on my india, there's never part of asia, even the when the europe setup this awesome india was excluded. we've told them how can you explore the 2nd biggest country in asia in an asian european dial in earlier on when they set up the impacts. so the issue pacific in the excluded so enormous if it actually is recognition that in. yeah, never going to be an issue without india because he's using a china centric banner that he was mistake is being nobody or china pacific either . right. or the simple reason that you are going to talk about is and then you must include india. now you want to call it in the pacific, that's us. that's

a very unreal leak formulation, but you can call it just. ready like but in the pacific i mean distributed condition that india and pacific are linked because the security of india and pacific is linked under the place where also your motto, security, interest, indian, and his region. so this semantic defenses to my mind are not very helpful because i continues to call it a city. the implication is that they don't consider, i'm sure this is not the case in the but at least the appearance is that you will not consider india as well as speaking about if you need, the americans are old. you're happy, you know, give the indian verbal recognition because in official document that the department doesn't need to refer to this region as the in the pacific. how

susceptible how sensitive are they? indians do these kind of verbal flattery from them. eric and no, it's not love us actually, frankly, because the, the security of the indian ocean is absolutely linked to the security of the rest of the pacific dialogue. talking about the differences that ex country may. i would like on create a western pacific about, you know, if the chinese some means are going to come in the, in the notion and doc at the colombo bought how they're going to go. they're going to come from the best and pacific and therefore it is our job political interests, which i'm sure she'll experience so little politics interest to see that giant as naval ambitions. and they don't re, a problem for us in the indian, because they clearly made this known to the maritime suits we're project. therefore, it is quite normal that we think the security of the indian ocean to the, to that of the western pacific. and beyond that,

i can't see why anybody should have any questions about the concept of in the endo pacific bowl, i agree that from the american point of view, they want to emphasize the china set from our point of view. we want to talk about the security of the indian ocean, including the western indian ocean, where we have joined up with france and india and foster become say very much that's a good cooperative players with regard to the security of the western indian. this is about if i may please, one more question about interest relationship with, with the american the united states seems to put a premium on its relations, but india, they are willing to go. they asked her mom for you make certain accessions for you that they would not make well others. and yet you recently wrote, as compared to the differences you have with russia, those with the united states much less confine. what do you mean by that?

you know, the thing is that relationship with america has dimensions which i relationship with no other country has. apart from the fact that we have big data, and some of the leaders are actually heading the big social media giants in the united states to under 1000 indian students in the united states. i was bilateral stated, on a $45000000000.00 differentiated, also growing up in the sector. we are slowly intertwined. and in fact, we have a balance of trade left with the, with last economy like the united states. so there's a lot going into non edition she buck in the united states as being the biggest strategic all american, differently in the boss united states has done the biggest strategic damage to india or decades, sanctioning us preventing cooperation in,

in various sectors, denying us technology in general and gets me back in august on even now on. got on there just leaving or gone on. i think it will be the other by giving focused on a major role in the future of his undoing that collateral damage will be to india, about the doing it because they're pursuing their own interest. so we're very clear about what our relations with united states. fortunately with abiding some differences that have appeared really gonna go on this on and you don't have any cash offer geopolitical interest. you can also china, they don't raise this issue because we understand what a couple issues are. and i understand for the life of me why united states has both shots and try not to get a job. politics wouldn't demand that this did reach out to russia to try and break

this down as well and do some opening. so that's, that's, but that's another story. well, mr. single, you have too much experience for my brain power, you know, ponder questions like that. i, i don't think there are many people in the american administration or on the same level. that's why they're not asking those questions. but anyway, we have to leave it there. i really appreciate your, with them today. thank you very much for finding the time and thank you very much for all the best buy and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week and will depart from me the me ah

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