is often very dramatic developments only really i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the me the me a welcome 12. the part of the great power politics is not different from the jostling place in a high school hierarchy. the guys playing games of him again one another. well trying to marshall others apply the pacific journey. you have a come next,

the national interest side by the ever present political rivalry. no wonder the great reading that the next the war will break out in asia is not a credible threat. well, it is not that i'm now joined by for a while. you just for me or foreign secretary you actually it's a great pleasure, great honor for me to talk to you. thank you very much for finding the time. my pleasure. thank you very much. all right, and now you gave me several days more than 4 days. you'll like to be diplomatic service. diplomacy, especially in your region, has never been short on rivalry, intrigues and all sorts of complicated relationships. when you look back at your long career, do you think current diplomat, those who are in service right now, do they have it easier or more difficult? when i think this is just begun, much more complex nature, things are become very difficult because all the idle china and the inability

of not only the neighboring countries of china, but also europe and the united states to come to terms with it. and we talk about the 2 cities as ising policy for disgrace and established video. all the reasons for a concert. what is happening is that the united states has now in recent years under even under bite and become very vocal about the central training and. busy and designating your slow adversity along with russia and. ready therefore. busy i think us how this will play out is going to effect agreed the security an issue because there is no reason or security. ready architecture, i'm not sure about india stress perception because at the time when i entered my profession, this,

the tension in india and pakistan were considered to be the chief rivalry of the continent. but you just mentioned that your disagreements with china, and i wonder if they have already starting started to overpaid the, the tensions with packets. and i mean, who is india's q rival or she's concerned at this point of time? is it packaged or is it china already? was it had already been shy except that in yeah, i tried to manage a relationship with china in a different way because it hasn't, you know, history or lot dishing. they all the focus on trying to apply. so the world against india, or putting in blame on india with regard to a new capability and thinking that china gave to the messiah nuclear capability. and

china has, after the occupation of tibet become for the 1st time in history. the 1st time in history neighbor and we had the $962.00 conflict in which india was sort of a deal on the border. and since then into the economic some years, india has time to manage the relationship with china. digging into account the fact that it's a neva, it's a big follow and ominous enmity with it would not be helpful and try and find some common ground rich china and do until die in recent years started becoming much more aggressive, especially from 2005 with regard to binge on china and then we've had recent direct conflict in the east on the dock which is continuing and you know, china is a nuclear country focused on the nuclear country board and you bought nuclear,

please claim india and dentistry. they are in league with each other. now you have the startup august on economic got it off. so we have chasing a very big challenge from china. so we'll go answer your question. china is our major energy. now in this concerns, we're trying to chime with those of the united states and its allies, you know, better than i do that it gave rise to i knew. so for informal grouping, the so called quad reach out far as from in the united states and japan, australia, i'm in your writing, you've been pretty straight forward and saying that, you know, foremost statements assigned a group. the quad is intended to counter the growing china's threats. i wonder what our current and possible means of countering we primarily talking about medic, signaling some coordination, psychological pressure or do you think you may soon or later come down to some

joint kinetic action? no, no, no that i don't think it's likely and i don't think any in any country wants it it'll, it'll harm everybody. it is that china is expanding, is navy and it totally unpredicted in the 1st half in history. a country has expanded its navy so rapidly. why is it doing? it clearly said that they want to build a blue water. they want to protect s. s abroad, building porch all over the place, their married times chickens, indian or some security because of the positioning themselves in baker countries in, in ocean. now they have these 2, got it all going as important and i should let you to let me make this point which is developing took on it was from united to me on march to be able to bring all the other from sion. janet to back us on into the indian into the a,

b and c. and then they have, of course, the initiative in which will, which is a dominate english. yes. so it will be the 1st time in history that a continental in asia will also seek dominant whether they succeeded the different battle when the little indian ocean. and that's why i think we have to devise some ways and means to those that missions and the very end and the place to start coming is the south china sea, the western pacific. because of the expand and go the indian ocean and create a much larger for the security of india. and now this jigsaw puzzle won't be complete without russia. and i'm sure you know that the russians are instinctively very mistrustful of any initiatives, especially security initiatives involving the united states for

a minute on a recent visit to an interest to the region alluded to, was as asian made. so do you think that's an appropriate comparison and do you think because the members would law like to be seen or perceived that we as members of some sort of a military alliance? well, to begin with this, the chinese will 1st started calling a nation back in 2007 when the 1st actual exercise took place, in fact, also joint so. so it's not as if foreign minister was focused on an issue natal number to japan, australia and united states. ready are already allies, so they wanted to have a natal natal holiday dad. but simply because if india is going to have military exercises with the other country doesn't sort of a the,

the for, for into kind of a military allies. number 3, india, or is know, join the military. this is not in our dna. i think it is an exercise to send signals to china that it must garbage is ambitions must be a by that must not violate. international law must not make sovereignty claims which are not supported by last and explain what is it intention in terms of developing navy with so many across got years for the purpose. it's a gemini domination. i'm a bit surprised that no foreign minister probably seem the experienced and i bought implementing for diplomatic skills as to why despite to us, despite explanations, still expresses some reservations about how the quotes and the in the he understands what india is concerned, divisions,

but you also understand what our russian concerns in reservations are having search here as an ambassador for russia, china is a natural counter pounds. again, the us to call them just that is for india, the united states is a natural counterbalance again, china and i want to ask you, was there sort of triangulation on, you know, sort of always inviting in a big guy to manage biological relationship is that is our destiny in this region. i mean, is it an average of all that big powers in this part of the world will always have to call on others to come in and how them manage wanted one another. well, you know, if you look at what is happening on down, india is very, very keen to manage this relationship within the ation context. that is why we still participate despite all our differences with china and russia. and yet we are

off the bricks. and of course, we are back of a seal clear signal to go through that. despite our problem with china, we placed a lot of these forums which will initiate essentially by russia. and they have our former bilateral relish issue with russia. it is another lateral forum in which we can develop better understanding with russia and assassinations and have a platform also for discussing these issues, it china. now united states is a central issue. i mean, they don't have any foothold. they are from a very, very good i never understood and i want to go out of nowhere in a shuttle. so the only way they can be in need is a seas because they have a few years navy, which can go anywhere in the world. and we have common interest with them in order to protect the feelings of communication from chinese encroachments indian the

notion best of asheville for bringing the united states in the maritime domain to be able to go to china's ambitions, but on land. no, we are not interested in steaming off with united states or anybody. yes. now, let me ask you about the humanitarian aspect. all such relationship because when he found itself face to face with an avalanche of 19 trying to seem to be far more forthcoming in offering its helping, offering assistance to get down the united states. i know that the washington has tried to change the course and resigned itself as more empathic. but i wonder if this initial unbounded meant of india by the united states was disheartening and also revealing. i mean, i understand what you're saying that, you know,

you treat this military corporation as want to sure. and you can have a different position on another rounds of corporation. but you know, military aspect is an important one and it's about trust. it's about coming to each other's house in the time of raise me then i wonder if india is expecting was expecting that from the united states because it's ready to cooperate with that on such a sensitive issue as the fan is the one where the china and the problem with the one lighters, india in health, is not as if we didn't make that gesture. so i suppose for diplomatic reason, china fees that visual rhetoric brocade, that gesture, so it's not as if it is one side. secondly, just now, well knows that the relationship has gone southwards, very steep because off there aggression in east on the dock where the violation of

all. busy our border demons, beginning from 993. it's a new game that china is playing devil. this kind of manager and gesture is neither head on in terms of legal issues, relationship. so i just say yes, you're right. initially. not on the jump, but the biden nominate, restrictions is walk the defense act to prevent off vaccines and radians to manufacture vaccines to india. anybody else for that matter? and it was a bit of a problem, but since then they have relaxed their position. nato assistance has come into not seems in terms of ingredients. we are negotiating with them, be in touch with them. i think there'll be some relax ition. the us in this community has gone forward in a very big way. and of course, united states or supported south african,

the engine proposal in the w g o. to just spend agents temporarily fight the crisis your voice resisting. so let's see how it goes. but i think united states have been selfish to begin by making amends about we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments state you the me or the the me i welcome back to all the party kind of all ship all the former secretary,

mr. st. about before they break, we started talking about home with 19 experienced. i wonder if it's very difficult. ordeal is going to have any implications for us in foreign policy and overall assessment of priorities because all of our country spending billions, if not trillions on or to find against one another. while many, many thousands of people are dying from the lack of necessary woodman. do you think the call that 9 in experience that you have had will affect its priorities and it's assessment all threads in any way? well, you know, want to assume that this is going to be a very long, long limited to india, the world. and i always so much independent and so much link to each other that

i'll be able to control this than i have spent elsewhere. on the other hand, unfortunately, there is a lot of negative propaganda on this against india because it will be in this part of the houses that india has the sky, the worst crisis. and therefore, when the 2nd wave stuck struck, there is a lot of that i think in the rest of the media and this and that. but if you look at the hard to guess, hard for because we are going to see people if you look proportionately at either the number of inspections or that gets, it is way, way smaller than any other, any other countries. this factor. because india, the, the, the appetite figures are not mentioned at all. even now, the 2nd wave has begun to receive at one moment be 400000 infections. every day does come down to about 2 161-227-0000. and the number of depth says also

gone down. so if you look at the book after seeing only one percent or be in the us population hadn't been as effective if. so it's not a lot of crisis. but because of the recent oxygen shortage is, and the policy the given to that and also how doing scenes only the projected as the major major thing which in some senses in terms of human life last was the case. but if you look at the overall picture, it is, it is by no means serious, and it has been in france or germany, or united states or, or italy or any of these countries. now i want to position to base that our bilateral aspect of india is relation you are the, you know, the best person to talk about that because in addition to serving as a secretary, you served as i'm bathroom you. a host of countries including russia reach,

has always private relationship of india, but i have a feeling that this relationship has always been falling short of its potential. are we destined to be sympathetic to one another, but sort of descendant too preoccupied by other challenges to give this relationship a fair chance? no, i think we have to accept certain as realities, if, fortunately, or unfortunately me out and after contiguous to each other. if we were, then you would fuel our economy and economy like a country can because you got such a boss or sources and the kind of response that india nice but we are not contiguous number one. number 2, in terms of defense still remains our biggest spot, although proportionately the share of russian exposed to india has fallen, but you still are far ahead off. others far ahead. number number 2,

we are the only country building nuclear power plants in india. we have invested a lot in that are shown as like $1415000000000.00 invested by $13000000000.00 in energy potential. we have our data relationship. it demands very, very good. but when i go dressed up when brown, with the movie was invited to the lady ross, we had to say be meant to participate in the development of the east, including its oil and gas resources. we have sets about this on paper, at least the auction. i got it all which actually makes in if you bought as a bitch artist abandoned the concept off and i think you're all a show in, in very material terms. the relationship with shots remains very important for us and it's not my view for a long time. that russia is absolutely critical in terms of getting in

a policy. and despite this type of connection, if you go as for under going, we are going to know what he can do to us who are different spot us. now you just alluded to that there is a configure a difference in how rushman engine diplomat to your part of the world. the russians call it the asia pacific, while the indians insist on the in the pacific. isn't just the linguist picking or is it truly reflective of how different maybe 2 hours conceptualize this asian well, you know, i think the russian side should show the bushes that went 1st. the concert felicia pacific was developed and it was not included because it stopped at me on my india was never considered part of asia, even the when the euro set up this awesome india was excluded. we told them how can

the explore the 2nd biggest country in asia, in an asian europe in dial, in earlier on when they set up the back of the asia pacific in del excluded. so in dollars, if it actually is recognition that they cannot be an issue without india because he's using china century, been a mistake is being nobody a china pacific either. right. or the simple reason that you are going to talk about is and then you must include india. now you want to call it in the pacific. that's us. that's a very unwieldy formulation, but you can call it just. ready like, but in the pacific i mean distributed condition that india and pacific are linked because the security of india and pacific and linked under apply . so also your models to guarantee interest in the it's region. so this semantic

defenses to my mind are not very helpful because i continues to call it a city. the implication is that they've gone to consider, i'm sure it is not the case in the elevator, but at least the appearance is that you will not consider india as well as speaking about the americans are all to happy feel you know, give into this verbal recognition because in official documents that they department doesn't need to refer to this region as the in the pacific. how susceptible how sensitive are they? indians do these kind of verbal flattery from american? no, it's not love us actually, frankly, because the, the security of the indian ocean is absolutely linked to the security of the rest and pacific dialogue. talking about the difference is that ex country may,

i would like on the western pacific about, you know, if the chinese, some means are going to come in the, in the notion and doc at the colombo bought how they will go. they're going to come from the rest of the pacific and they have all it is our job political interests, which i'm sure she'll experience so, you know, politics interest to see that giant us naval ambitions. and they don't create a problem for us in the indian ocean because they clearly made this known to the maritime su project. therefore, it is quite normal that we think the security of the indian ocean to that of the western pacific. but beyond that, i can't see why anybody should should have any questions about the concept all in the, in the pacific go, i agree that from the american point of view, they want to emphasize the china threat from our point of view. we want to talk about the security of the indian ocean, including the western indian ocean,

where we have joined up with france and india and foster become say very much that's a good cooperate, a player with regard to the security of the western indian. if i may, please, one more question about interest relationship with, with the american the united states seems to put a premium on its relations. but india, they're willing to go. they astra, mom for you make certain accessions for you that they would not make well other than yes, your reasons or role that compared to the differences you have with russia, those of the united states much less confine. what do you mean by that? you know, the thing is that relationship with america has gone dimensions, which i relationship with no other country acids apart from the fact that we have big data. and some of the leaders are actually heading the big social media giants

in the united states. $200000.00 indian students in the united states, and by that, the status on an a $45000000000.00 differentiated, also growing up in the sector. we are slowly intertwined. and in fact, we have a balance of paid left with, with last economy like the united states. so there's a lot going on. in addition, she bought in the past united states as being the biggest strategic all american, differently in the boss. united states has done the biggest strategic damage to india or decades, sanctioning us preventing corporation in, in various sectors denying us technology in general and gives me back in august on even now on in, on they're just leaving or gone on. i think it will be either by and or giving

focused on a major role in august and doing data collateral damage will be to india about doing it because they're pursuing their own interest. so we are very clear about what our relations with united states. fortunately with a binding, some difference in that regard on this on if you don't have any cash offer geopolitical interest to be conveyed also china, they don't have that issue because we understand what a couple issues are and i sadly dock out understand for the life of me why united states as a shots and try not to get a job politics wouldn't demand that this did reach out to russia to try and break this down as well and give some openings. so that sounds, but that's another story. well, if you have too much experience for my brain power, you know, ponder questions like that. i, i don't think there are many people in the american administration or on the same level. that's why they're not asking those questions. but anyway,

we have to leave it there. i really appreciate your, with them today. thank you very much for finding the time. and thank you very much for all the best and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on the world's apart. ah me the me ah, ah, the military mission again stay, we'll conclude on august 31st. i want to

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