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news. we are trying to r t rushes republic of douglas stun. can i bring you up to date that he joined me for more than a top stories in half an hour? the the a time action or dance in what's going on the ground, the team and i are away at the moment, but we'll be back for a new series on september the 8th until then we'll be playing some of your favorite episodes of this season coming up on this show, as china and russia snubbing g 7, summit continues in cornwall in the u. k. we speak the legendary of a historian, an activist. golly,

about the meeting of the liberal leaders and ask how hope can be grasped from the jaws of despair when it comes to palestine, demick project, and the police. all the small coming up in today's going underground is after repeated threats against china and russia. so cool, g 7 leaders in england continue to talk about the future of human kind from the economy to cobra. to climate catastrophe. the summit, guarded by thousands of extra members of the u. k. security forces is facing massive protests including from groups like extinction. rebellion used by birth johnson to justify new, arguably draconian, anti protest legislation. so how can protest a descent really make any difference when power more and more lives in the hands of the one percent? joining me now is the original rolling stones street fighting man, author an activist carrie gully, who has been at the heart of civil protest for decades. tag. thanks so much for coming back. gone. i should say it's been a week where there's been bombing across syria linked to these very g 7 powers,

obviously, following on from may's 11 day war against garza and jerusalem, you will take 1st of all on the g 7 meeting in england during a pandemic. i'm not totally sure why they, to me, i mean, why do they want to be a magnet or huge protest? this is largely a b r exercise to get their respective populations and citizens, ideologically prepared for what they're going to be doing economically. and which is extreme name, autumn, and what they're going to do, re china. and on a scale to re russia. i think the key issue obviously is, i mean i didn't position to take now liberalism as we have mounted and to foreign money, whether it works on all we will see. but the fact that this is an initiative which has been taken by a presence of it marks

a shift within ruling circles in capitalism. and the 2nd question related to that, which they have to discuss, of course, is how long these huge corporations can get away without paying any taxes at all in the countries where they are and away the rest and where they make money. whether they will come up with any satisfactory solutions as a matter of opinion, because in most cases, these logical operation, the new 1000000000 as fund quite a number of political parties, both in europe and the united states. so it's not easy to take, the more it will have to be behind the scenes, protracted negotiations to see how much these greedy bar chose are prepared to pay well. so as a print money, as they arranged the printing of more and more and more money. as you say this,

this very fundamental change in your liberal orthodoxy. there are reports again of refugees trying to cross the channel goes to england. and of course, biden's vice president has been in guatemala, telling the people of latin america do not to come to the united states, a big mark changed to the tweets from bite, and then come on harris during their election campaigns. do you think they've learned something from the european union they can pay off to stop the refugees from from nature nation? was it goes down you did this. the question is, the european union, as reno paid off, large amounts of money to prevent the refugees from the syrian which is now being prolonged and kept going by the west. this should be stressed, but they will not stay on the responsibilities. they've never liked to do back in europe. i mean, i one say that directly,

but top serious the new people decide to go to wall. you should allocate amongst yourselves, preferably popular company, refugees are going to come in at the end of these was or during these was so if you all escalating and syria. busy you should say many, half a 1000000 burden, a quarter of a 1000000. so people are prepared saying this is what these countries are. countries are going to war, and this is the result. don't blame the refugees. blame those who create the refugee. so europe's position has always been marginally, was historically going back of the united states, the americans when they leave a country where they've either failed or inflicted heavy damage and just induce the stalemate. i'm thinking now korea and vietnam do take in refugees from these countries. but largely from

a social layer of the population that has collaborated with, they don't do it for everyone, but they doing the europeans tend to, to not to do even that, as we see in found debate taking place. and in the united states hall, this democratic regime to carry on with trumps policies and mouth. so to read creek, which is either the same or my can even worse thing, we just want to take, you mean, do you remember the brouhaha, the anger when prompted all this? how can he do this? now you have a government which on this front and on foreign policy is doing the same. so it's, it's on this level. i mean, come on, harris is remarks to the south. americans pretty evolving,

but they don't even have to alter the yeah. lots of different things at the same time, can be brutish enough to keep the refugees that put them up in the appalling condition and keep taking the billions that b e u supplies large, it has to be set for rights history. so, i mean, why can these refugees, which are created by, was being fought by the west not be allowed to come to the concrete way to the was mean they have a certain political and moral responsibility to do this. so if you don't want refugees, don't make was that's a lesson. they refused to think of, you know, where they're going to go to the next a short bombing raid. they just got re on, they're doing it in syria. they're doing it in other parts of the middle east,

a region now which is no, no peace since the 1st gulf or, and the sanctions imposed on iraq after it. there is a back story here. and that back story needs to be stressed all the time for the younger generations, these are not today's events. these are events which spring up from the past. and the past was filthy and and no one seems to have learned to me this. we invite the tag exam bassinger on obviously turkey denies racism but your vision of the world that complete drugs with the nature nation media coverage of the g 7 as the g 7 lead is talk about a rules based international order and how the fight now is against china, obviously, bars jones of sending our aircraft carrier towards a chinese maritime borders. do you think?

i mean, is a captive media that's covering the conference? the media in the west has been deteriorating and degenerating since the collapse of the soviet. let's face it and it's obvious that while the soviet union existed, they put up, you know, the, one of the prior piece was to show how different we are. so space on television and in the mainstream newspapers was allocated to some dissenting voices as if to mock the russians and say, how you can do that. we can and this process is not reach such a stage that the mainstream media actually is behaving more and more like the old prophets used to do women, you know, in the fifty's or even the 60 just affectively acting on behalf of the state. and sometimes completely creatively,

you can pick up more or less any paid, but whether it's the right rig tabloid, or whether it's a liberal guardian and on key issues, the line is virtually the same. i think some of our readers and listeners are punishing them for many other alternatives on television because of the development of technology. you can see news from on r t on 0, our sewer on numerous i channels that exists that monopoly is being broken, but obviously only for privilege people or people who can do or not everyone in the world as a computer or a telephone on which you can watch this back, monopoly has been broken. and that's a huge step forward,

which is why they now want to control twitter and facebook as well. so many people putting up pictures from palestine or interviews, and i just told this breeches, our whatever standards they call it. is that what is that? what made this 11 day war in may different to previous was because they couldn't ignore the destruction in the mass killing of civilians and women and children. absolutely. they couldn't do it. and you know, these images, i mean, they have punished just a euro by bombing, their office is 1st of all ages ago. then during the iraq war, especially after the jersey, right, had no station said to them, these are all coordinates. please make sure you don't have grown attacks and rockets on this place that's. that's off. they will give them the code mid the use them and bombed the 0 headquarters. and they were disgusting images made by

a canadian documentary filmmaker who showed the entire western media homed up and got her seeing the fall of broke about with american soldiers cheering and doing this. and that. and they stood up, gave it a standing ovation. the data is the level now of large chunks of the west. the media though action though one should say that the recent attacks from gaza, the images that have come out from that have created not as see change. i wouldn't use that phrase but have created a circle ship, both in public opinion, which is shocked. not you know that these things have been happening for years, but they shop now in gaza since 2008. my memory's bright, non stop in the bathroom, is exactly the same bombings,

children dying buildings being knocked down. shock, horror disappears. never mentioned again. but in a small way, this has been going on every day in some shape or form either in the occupied territories or in israel itself, or in gossip. the fact that the new york times chose to publish on its front page the pictures of all the kids that died in gaza is something that happened 5 years ago. because israel says that there were anti and dome software in the associated press, al jazeera building, that was, that was blown up. we'll take a short break. there were himmel from legendary author an activist char. golly, after this break. the news

the welcome back of the g 7 summit continues in cornwall surrounded by police to keep the protest as it may. i'm still here with those were an activists, tara colleagues. all media seems to not directly link it to the g 7 leaders. this is israel, this is evil that yahoo faces in governance for tomorrow. in israel. they don't link it necessarily to british america. you nation arm sales to israel, that's killing these children. why should i mean, that's something which is inconceivable. for west israel has been such a reliable relay, a western imperialism since 194849 onwards. that is something they cannot consider is punishing it for what it is doing. and people sometimes say to me, but, you know, do you think this war could ever and i could walk? and within 3 months, if the united states in particular and its allies imposed mimicry

sanctions. and if necessary, economic sanctions on israel till it pulls out all its troops from the occupied areas to start off with and remove the set for months, they have to be removed. so i think that could be a dumont, which in odin time, some margaret sinus supported, but that's all gone now. israel itself because the state run by these really far. right. and still they gave it so much leeway. so the war, the situation goes all the way to the next town. you know, the baton will probably be the same. i mean the 1st in the 30 one which lasted 3 years forced these re lease to negotiate,

but they picked and chose who they negotiated with the leadership in killing this not the leadership of being in the occupied last. i'm in the israel itself. and this is been a problem which we don't discuss often enough in my opinion, is that the collaboration of the palestinian authority and the leadership has been a disaster story. even recently, i was told as these horrific things were going on in jerusalem and garza and other parts of the country. the p l. o. leaders in a number of places were using security forces to dump and down demonstrations on the west back. this is beam that out. well, the p a obviously denies that says it's all part of the resistance, but certainly what you're saying is that good, arguably by hand on a try. we on, on this program in the 1st few days, i mean, what about descent? i mean, you, you talking about how descent was allowed

a little bit more room in the so called mainstream media before the fall of the berlin wall. now we hear evidence from the spy cops inquiry here in britain concerning you, how they spied on you. and the people around you, the demonstrators today, outside the g 7, do they have reason to be frightened? all the authorities, more frightened than even you were in the over many is fighting for civil rights. well, i mean, they'd be admitted that they had 14 officers expired on me over 45 years. was i frightened? look really, and i'll tell you why. because there's very little i said in private on political issues that i didn't also say uplink. and they must have known that i said it on television. i said it on the radio. i said it a meeting and i said that at home, the private dinners, it's not a big secret,

i think. and i'm saying as i'm now. so it's not a question of being frightened, it's knowing they do it. but asking why do you do it? mean, what do you need today? the situation is completely different. as we know, when the counsellor survey lives by her own secret police with the backing of the c i o, the cia with the backing of around secret police or the government within. i knew. and if you remember not so long ago, we were told how awful the stars he was in east germany was fine, non stop on the citizen. the west is doing exactly the same thing. actually they're doing it on a never, much, much higher than the every one can be spied all. so the people demonstrating should be why right of infiltrate as being sent into the ranks

and unit building relationships or whatever sort that is really only what they did . and the fact that they can actually change anything by spying on people. i mean, i'll tell you a story. there was spies placed in 1917 by the crime, not bizarre and secret police and the leadership of the bulge gm dementia, a party. what effect it did? they actually made the revolution. and the funny thing is the general running the crown i use to say it's very funny. the butcher makes eyes to be put in the ball to x and the mon, they come and they're giving a description of similar situations and fighting with each other. just like make sure that he's getting in fluids. the organization that does, but i mean, they were, you know, obviously that was

a different situation. but what so different? i mean, what will they get out? a whole, these spying pick up people. i mean, they already have laws to lock people up for months without a b, a school. know it's been a disgrace and the new and protest bill coming coming through. i think some people may be surprised that at least joe biden is talk about maybe something intellectual property rights for a little while on the covert vaccine. talking a little bit about saudi, our sales to saudi arabia for use on yemen. britain stands fast says we will continue selling the weapons to kill people in yemen. is there a sign that some of us allies are even more gung ho than joe biden and insecurity operators? it's true and they do it to show to show

their loyalty to the concept of how the world is run and to say to the us, we have we in defending you better than you can do your sales, which is pathetic. and this whole notion, which i've 18, you know, nonsensical notion that there is something called an international community. it's not, there is no international community. there's the united nations security council, where a retail can stop anything back in the united states, no space in the international community. it goes and does what it wants everywhere . as for forest johnson, sending an aircraft gallery and to china, it's patrick. it's to show loyalty. it's to show we, we will be with you always. i mean, blair was even worse than johnson actually in sucking up to the americans and they are very nervous. now having left the you that the keep are in europe as

far as the u. u. s. is concerned is not true. rito determines its being that behind the scenes for some time smell is sort of even open. that is the country with which the us is really interested in maintaining a very close relationship when they take, for grant. germany, of course, has over this russian nordstrom to deal at the moment. yeah, you see the problem with the german government has been there for some time as long as us troops stationed in that concrete. i mean, think about it. the war ended in 1945, the west port in well known nazis and fascists and key positions in the army and intelligence services. 40 to 45 percent of the judiciary, the army. and so the top ross were not changed. same in japan, yet in both these countries,

they still have military bases. and so both these got increased japan, more than germany, have no real sovereignty. the hatred of russia now is not related in particular to what may or may not do. it's related to the fact that the russian government has taken back its sovereignty. that gorbachev in his week when he has been in a completely craven way, had given up all the crops to we do what you want. and. 1 got no concessions, a toll apart from verbal ones on nato. nature will not extend its frontiers, etc, etc, which they have broken with impunity. so it was necessary for any government in russia to take back sovereignty. and as far as the chinese complain, who can doubt now appear in many ways, the sort of most important country in the world,

the economically and they're not going to be treated like they were before. so all this military threats and saber rattling and aircraft carriers is going to have known him, the chinese are the most important concrete. there was no, there are people in the united states who are thinking we, we couldn't russia a long time ago, decades ago by making a block with china. and we succeeded to a certain extent in doing that. perhaps we should do a deal with the russians to weaken china. they told they think in those terms that if we can get russia on side, we can then use them. i myself, am not sure that even if they tried this seriously, it's going to work because people have a few lessons and you know, this is what has been going on of the last 5 or 6 years has affected different parts of the world. i mean,

i would say this to you that it's very interesting that when both scenario 1st came to find brazil, the western media, including the financial times, will very pleased economically. it's not levels back radical, but they were please now so horrified by what was ro is doing to that country. and lula was standing and hoping info ratings are going higher and higher. that the german british ambassador was in brazilian gold on lula. and said, we want you to take whatever the cost and we are prepared to support you didn't probably deny this. i know it's a fact as if lula doesn't know what's been going on. and who backed the google against him and against delma when the who back to the us the us. what is it just very briefly then? i mean all the g 70 is presume we are agreed that they want to overthrow the

government of venezuela. still over the bar as john's and hosted one way to hear africa just a charity case presumably talked about as go vaccines and you say that the stager, they seem to have lost it to the china. do you think something really significant is changing in that, in america? obviously we have these rumors of castillo and emperor. yeah, i think the, the, you know, contrary to what some analysts said, i never believe the thing tied was totally over. because the think tied as it was, gold was effectively a form of less social democracy, sometimes not even to laugh back by mass movements against the right. that's what this movement was that it's most radical under travis and radical, you know, on a lesser level in other parts. i mean, we've seen decrease 9 bolivia where the code up to topple. april has been

defeated in peru. they tried very hard to make this sort of totally corrupt far right. fuji murray, lady, was fathers, an expression to the still in prison, charged with murder in argentina and just being shipped. so it goes up and down in the kidney. there's been a huge victory for people who want a new constitution. you want to create for the truly in the center party and for the right wing infinity. so i want to give up on south america, and a lot of times to far again, he will try and work, i think with china and russia and not with the to work, try and bring him down. and in venezuela fence so far, they taught the venezuela nami would crumble, the venezuelan generous could be bought with dollars. and they would then organize