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in this show the conversation with one of the greatest filmmakers of all time, all of his stone is platoon. born on the 4th of july, snowden, and wall street educated generations, his gun breaking work, j. f. k. 1030. this year, and stone is returning to the subject. with a follow up documentary, james k revisited through the looking glass. currently premiering the cabin film festival. and academy award, winna oliver stone and joins me now from the festival. thanks so much oliver for coming on. obviously, we have a us president in the white house backing forces against the cuban government clues shown before we head on to the evidence which, which we wouldn't have without to have to pay the movie. in your new documentary. what is the relevance in case people are going always not talking about kennedy again, the relevance to joe biden, who was bombing, syria,

and iraq only the past few weeks was the relevant to the current whitehouse of this documentary. and i think that the relevance is the main point we were trying to make in the documentary was at john kennedy was a warrior for peace in all forms. and among the many things he was doing when he was killed was reaching out to cuba to and is embargoed to make a detox with castro. it looked good. and he was also at the same time over making an overarching deal with khrushchev of the soviet union. they had, they signed the nuclear test ban treaty together, which is an amazing document. first time the soviets, in the u. s. signed a treaty of this nature and the cold war was, was the radically coming to an end in 1963. so you can imagine where the world would be now instead we have this retrograde policy where the u. s. is still got an embargo on cuba 60 years later. and the news today is just another one and along

concurrent crises, events that happen every few years. i don't, you know, this has been going on for, for decades. and the evidence in the new film, let's just remind our audience how you ended up testifying in congress and for what has been called actually the one of the strongest open government laws ever passed by congress. jan k records and was passed in the week of the, the movie was created for a few our congress, jessica and congress. and they, they passed the act and it allowed them to declassify documents and do some limited investigation. and last for 4 years from 94 and 98 and uncovered quite a substantial bit of work. but unfortunately, the american media did not report it to the public. it was buried, forgotten in the memory hole. let's become the j f k case. so in 2013,

i was pretty frustrated when all the networks in the united states celebrating the 60 anniversary of kennedy's assassination. none of them mentioned the alternate theories or my film. and basically i was interviewed for almost an hour and a half when tom broke joe of nbc and they cut it down to a 2032nd clip. it hasn't been the media has not been balanced. they're still referring to the warren commission as if it's at some kind of accurate document. whereas there has been 3 official investigations resulting from that murder. we are trying to say ok, let's be honest. here is what we found out. and we're putting all this information in most of this information in one film to our long term. i'm very proud of this documentary and it really raises many issues, the united states presidency since john kennedy. he was the last president to really work for peace in the world. he was looking, as i said,

for their stay taunt and he was join among other things from vietnam. this has been disputed when the film came out in 91. and now we have more evidence from the declassified files that it was definitely happening because robert mcnamara wrote a book in 95, robert wagner was his defense secretary. and he said that without doubt with kennedy, which was drawing. and even if we were to lose that war, we would withdraw the enemies. we're going to handle this war from now on. after that, mcgeorge bundy was a national security advisor for germany. came out with his book and said the same thing, although the bundy was against the withdrawal. he definitely sent it. also, we have a phone call in there from lyndon johnson bolling out mcnamara and saying, you know, i never wanted to withdraw like you guys, i never agreed with you and kennedy when you said we have that phone call on team. so this is evidence is intractable that american historians have been denied it, you know, really denied. this is a shame you don't change,

the young historians will be coming around because those on the left around the world will think of kennedy and go, well just look at the record. he increase the number of devices to vietnam. he didn't sign the civil rights act. he, he was the instigator of match ho brinkman ship with chris jeff over the cuban missile crisis, which you can say he and cruise ship came save the world because that the, his plan, the pentagon, the generals, were pushing kennedy to go into cuba to invade, to drop a nuke on june. there was a lot of pressure on kennedy for years. for 3 years, kennedy made it 11 or 12 decisions not to send combat troops. he did send advisors because he that was done because of the eisenhower administration involvement in the vietnam war. and with the french, remember, there's a whole history here. kennedy was in vietnam in 1954 as a young senator. and so,

and he was an anti colonialist and he saw the french army struggling, and he thought it was ridiculous, or he was a smart young man. he went to al jeremy, didn't go to alger minute speech about algeria condemning the french army in their war. and algeria colonialism did not work for him. remember, he was irish, he was an english. and he had an a in an attitude, a rebellion against the colonial world. he did not want to see this continue. he, a great relations with africa. moved the lumber affair. willie destroyed his, i mean he was upset beyond belief at the numbers, murder, c, i was involved. kennedy was working for peace on every level, indonesia, he had a great relationship with the non, to him was a mistake. and he was, he had to withdraw quietly. he had to, he couldn't put it up for a vote because he was going to come up for a vote in november 64, which was a few months away. he went about this deliberately signed in an order to withdraw the 1st 1000 troops by christmas. 63,

the 2 days after he was killed was count contradicted by johnson, lyndon johnson. so any historian who says, there was some continuity between lyndon johnson and john kennedy. it's rubbish. the number of course, the leader assassinated by us packed forces, precedent and terrible, terrible times for congo. what does the evidence suggests then, about the involvement of lyndon johnson? i am gerald ford in the cover up let alone allen dulles of the ca who was sacked by the government. jen kennedy. it's a disgrace to. first of all, that lyndon johnson appointed allen dulles, who was fired by kennedy as the chief of the cia kennedy, vowing to shatter the ca into a 1000 pieces. dollars was put on the board with the warren commission at 7 people in control that a lot of it controlled all the information coming from the cia to the board,

making sure that nothing derogatory or anything about assassinations abroad was mentioned to these other commissioners. that is a big, big difference maker right there. and top of that, lyndon johnson has to be looked at as part of a cover up. that's not to say he was in the assassination because he can prove that . but lyndon johnson was about to be fired as vice president, that we know, and he wanted this thing to go away. he didn't, he said, we don't want to war with russia. we don't want to accuse russia that was kind of an excuse to, to a point and a point, the warren commission, they wanted a peaceful transition. that's what they, that was a miss that johnson would take over and continue kennedy's policy. by the way, you mentioned them, all right, but we go into that in a little section where kennedy is, is praised by martin luther king for his advances on the civil rights front getting

those students a negro students into colleges in the south, which is quite a feat with george wallace in alabama. wallace was an enemy of kennedy and vowed that he would bring, bring him down, that he would say he would, he would effect a vote in $64.00 chinese and a lot more than is recognized. and this is wrong. it's really wrong that he is considered macho macro president only because he's younger. i remind you, he was a combat veteran of world war 2, and decorated and knew he didn't trust his generals. this is true after the bay of pigs disaster room where he was lied to by allen dulles. he said to his, to several members of his intimate circle that the generals were, were full of it, and that he never trust generals because they'll march, you know, war there'll be a bunch of parades. and then of course you're, you're stuck with the attrition of war. and the damage it does. so he had many enemies on the pentagon,

and many enemies in the cia there were people inside his own administration, who were the, i would say, were willing to betray him. and the evidence, the evidence suggests that the fascination was jewel use. i mean, they couldn't just poison him if they wanted to stop jack kennedy introducing a pax americana in the white house. this was to make out it was a pro cuban assassin and therefore should enable involvement against fidel castro. it's not the simplest way to if you want to blame it on alone, not that would be the place to do it. do it in a crowd. that's why i would say, it's also in a 2nd hand to attempt a warning warning to other people, including lyndon johnson, not across a certain line. when you blow off a president's head in the middle of the motorcade, which is a very organized black off. so much has to be done. the security along the route

was changed. the parade route was changed. the all the mechanics of that day were controlled and was, was part of an operation. and when that happened, i think it was very clear to the american people subconsciously, maybe that there were forces larger than any one man that were telling us that this, that this was a this is a change, a change in our system. incense sense of democracy, one ounce because after, after that, kennedy no american president, not one. and you can go down the list was able to make, implement any changes inside these, the military structure of the economy or the intelligence at sector the, the news to the agencies of government were untouchable. their budgets were never cut. although kennedy tried to cut a budget, had to shatter it into

a 1000 pieces. his directives were reversed by lyndon johnson. everything that kennedy did accept civil rights was reversed by johnson, including aid for his progress, reliance, and last progress in south america, including his african initiatives, including his indonesia initiatives, johnson, 180 degree huge her. another thing that we get into is lee harvey oswald, we, we are access now declassified we've information. and then the cia was quite aware of his new where he was supervising him from 195863, which makes him an asset of the this is incredible. and also we know that jack ruby was the see was an f, b i in form. so we, the intelligence agencies are involved with these people from the beginning until the end of. so we know that this is crucial, was not on the 64 when the shots were fired because nobody saw him,

the 3 people in the 3 women who worked on the 4th floor, they testified 2 of them testified, and their testimony was changed by the warren commission and we tracked them down. another researcher, track them down in 1990 and got it straight. and the news is that what these 3 women went down the stairs right away. did not she be hungry? oswald, on the stairs and they, they testified and sign all it, but there was never listened to by the warrens which that kind of changing the witness statements is very important to this case. all of i have to stop you there for a 2nd. we'll hear more from all of us going up to this your brain. ah, me, ah,

join me every thursday on the alex silent show and i'll be speaking to guess in the world, the politics, sport, business and show business. i'll see you then in the welcome back. i'm still here with oliver stone, the director of jeff k and j. f k revisited through the looking glass premiering at the cannes film festival. all of them towards the end. i'll give you the documentary, you have robert kennedy son saying that the robot kennedy's 1st reaction to news of the assassination of j. f. k. was to phone the ca, and more or less did they do it? who conducted this hard was his actual cool coming robert kennedy junior. very young. he said that to us, he tells us the story. robert kennedy suspected something on day one. and jackie kennedy and him wrote

a note soon after 2 wrote to kusha. in the soviet union telling me that they knew that this was not russian plot to, to kill kennedy. that in fact, it was right wing group in the united states. they sent in the letter and had done this. there was a correspondence between the kennedys and crews. that had been going on before the assassination is an interesting sign angle to put in robert kennedy makes very clear that his father in 68 was running for president on part of that agenda was that he was going to revisit, gonna enact policies that had begun under john, his brother, and then he was among other things, going to look into the assassination again because he never just never believed the warren commission. among other things, he knew something was up. and then for that reason, i do believe the robert kennedy was killed in cold blood and quickly because they knew what was at stake if he got into office,

they would be held to pay because the so called mainstream media that lied to us about iraq lied to us, arguably bad, syria, they are very quick to say and echoed james woolsey this year. who of course said, of course, this was a soviet plan gone wrong to killed j. f. k. they said they said robert kennedy was the attorney general for johnson. if, if robert kennedy felt so strongly about that he could have prosecuted the people that were involved in the, the real people who were involved in jeff cases as a nation. i did tell you that there was a phone call. we haven't, we have the voices on tape where linda johnson clearly tells robert mcnamara. this was a bad idea, withdrawn from the enough to me. how much clear can you be? the johnson did not agree with kennedy's policy, and he used to use the us as a nation rather quickly to take control. and within 2 days ish issued national

security action memorandum, $273.00, which reversed which basically set up a new militancy in the american position. india now allowing us forward to conduct air patrols and naval patrols along the north vietnamese coast. that ended in the tonkin bay debacle in august of $64.00 in the fall flag. it's now increasingly called small ration. yeah. and that was a basis for the war. but why did law kennedy not do anything? why did he not resigned? attorney general. he's gone off on day one. i mean, the, the moment you have to understand robert kennedy was in conflict with jack hoover, the f b i, that's one of his main main agencies know, robert kennedy was, had no power after his brother was killed because johnson took over and jam over was right it was breathing down robert kennedy's throne, and by the way, the f. b. r. hoover's organization was the main contributor of information to the

warren commission. they were feeding them information. and we now know from the de classifications in the film that we're showing, that among the things that never showed up in the warren commission was seebert o'neill report which to top f b. i. agents where they are at the autopsy in bethesda, and testified very clearly to their being a massive head wound the back of the head that was never seen in the photograph that came out of the official photographs that came out of the autopsy, which indicates a divergence of what people saw with their own eyes, there still some papers that were missing there were supposed to be released. obviously were thankful to donald trump for releasing some of them. do you think joe biden is gonna release them? he has till the 26 to make a decision on the release of other ones. tom did say though, because of national security law enforcement in foreign affairs concerned, i have no choice today to accept redactions rather than allow irreversible harm to

national security by papers relating to the kennedy assassination. no relief, don't show me, did back down. he said he was gonna release everything and he didn't at the last moment, he basically pushed it into biden's presidency. mine is, administration is now is now illegally illegally home withholding those documents from, from us at the people. so whether we'll see them or not, we don't know, we're going to try and there is a last coming up against the bite and ministration from the citizens. again, for the release of these documents which are owed to us. it's ridiculous after 60 years to call and talk about national security in this matter. contradict the j. k records active 92, which you name back of you are filled. obviously, already the media attacks are started on the documentary, even though it's been known the premiering this week. so this is a 60 year long campaign by mainstream nbc,

the new york times. i mentioned back then as being involved in this, we do know from again declassification that the new york times cbs nbc were from day one supported the warren commission because among other reasons, the cbs people, john mccoy's daughter was he was in warner. he was a warn report. commissioner john mccoy, his daughter was working with the president of cbs and was given information on the development of what c b s was doing to her father mccloy. and he was interviewed by walter cronkite and it's such and such a web how're that nice people are very protected and mccoy. he comes across clumsily, but he's clearly not answering the questions asked for by asked by concrete which are direct saying wasn't there a conflict of interest? and there was

a conflict of interest. 3 of the members of the 7 of his 3 of the 7 members of the commission, john sherman cooper, hale bogs, and most of all, richard russell of georgia. we're had problems with the conclusions and we show from declassified files how their testimony, what especially their questions were erased from the final transcript. meaning they do not appear when russell found out about it. 2 years later, he was furious, but it was too late. he talked, we have a phone call with him in written and linda johnson where they're talking about the magic bullet. and he and russell say he just doesn't believe it because it's just incredible. no, no, nobody should like that. nobody can. there's no bullet like that made, and johnson himself says, i don't believe it either. i don't believe the same bullets that hit kennedy had connelly. that's what he says. so i mean, you have all these,

we raise all these things that we hear in broad daylight on phones and we see them . and it's quite interesting. the warren commission was believe, was bought by the press and sold to the american public on day one. you have to realize it is 800 page document and coming up 6 months later was a 26 volumes of specific testimony that was not even reviewed because it came later . so the whole thing was sold on day one to as oswald is solis ass. so johnson never proved it. we go to the, we go and into all the evidence on oswald, all the original evidence. and we show that it's a sham, that's autopsy trajectories, bullet, rifle, fingerprints. and above all the autopsy worms of fraud. and they, none of them hold up, they would have been thrown out of court on day one. it's very important information is original evidence. and it's because of declassification. we were

able to finally address what they, what the commission, the warren commission was told, important evidence. and suggestions, suggestions of allen dulles, involved in assassinations on the shell, the goal tryouts in tampa, florida, and chicago. you know that the phrase conspiracy will be used consistent conspiracy theory. how do we use this phrase then to de, legitimize actual evidence and papers? i mean, no, i mean, people wouldn't believe operation, paperclip and mongoose, and, you know, the stuff that we now know is fact, kinsey. there is 991 and people label you that. it's easy to see, i term drug derogation, to, to discredit people. they made it up in 1900 fifties, in science, psychological worth. it makes it, we will call these people, conspiracy theorist. okay? that's fine,

but we know from history that there's been so many conspiracy is going back to the romans. the greeks beyond, beyond that is history of conspiracy. just the nature of man is no reason not to believe it in this case. but when we think we go very far, to prove that it was beyond a conspiracy, it was, it was a conspiracy to kill. and there was a conspiracy to cover him up, which is bigger, with implications for millions and millions, maybe tens of millions of people's lives. so we're going to rely on more information perhaps if joe biden, an irish catholic allows the papers to be released. i have to really finish giving, he knows to john kennedy. yeah, it's true and he's got the irish moves and i would imagine there is some sympathy there. but there's no way that by and who has a cold warriors weight is going to go up against our structure. after kennedy,

i repeat the military sector on the intelligence sack iran touch. it became clear that you couldn't not get into this. the not can any, was cutting basis defense spaces and in our country and abroad. it was by their brilliant troops back from afghanistan. i would like to see by no further, we have so much and we have a trillion dollar budget now with the military, basically in the contract. so it's a long way to go. but can he hunch that really in an essential way? that's what kennedy was doing. he was by firing the cia and his 2 age kimbell and bissell. you can't believe the shock waves he sent through washington. here he is the young man, after truman and eyes an hour, the young man, 423 years old. we're starting to change things. the way things were done. he did not believe in colonialism. he did not believe in the cold war. and he was moving away from. he had been sober. and he was educated by the bay of pigs,

and above all, by the cuban missile crisis, he was a changed man. now, when just finally, when explosive evidence in black and white is produced, look at julian assigned according to the un being tortured here. the founder of wiki weeks. what's gonna happen about the release of this documentary? why are you in can, and why isn't it on all the streaming services in the united states, so everyone can watch it from next week. this in this room was not finance in america. we went to the streamers, they turn down, we were financed out of england. it was ingenious. your new film, the independent film company that financed this film. now when it came to distribution, we don't know what's going to happen in america. we know that we're john and we're showing very well among european countries. i do think an american company would have current would, should have the courage to step up and do this. but this,

the climate of the country at this point after 2001 and the increasing conservative approach to government and fear, fear, fear of decline. fear of attack on our values on this is blinding the human. scary in the american government into censorship on youtube, censorship and facebook. censorship of an ex president for 2 years suspended from twitter. it's, it's astounding. i think you're going to and then, and then cut off or, and she to a certain degree, they put their pressuring archie in all countries of the world, as you knew, may know, and south america, even so everywhere, america's powerful country. but i don't believe they're going to be able to close this, close this news down, we are going to be released. and we, in england, it's going to be released by altitude in the u. k. and ireland will be the company

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