of presents one of the hardest problems in foreign affairs today. why is that wilson due to even though the state of the relatively similar, institutionalized public organism. each of them represents its own unique position in terms of the politics story experience and economic, initial economic possibilities. and these 3 factors there form how the stays, develop and holiday react to the outside challenges and opportunities, how they behave from the perspective of today, international relations. we are not looking at the internal particularities of each thing. for us, the most important is how they behave in front of the industry. so, and what you have not mentioned in your introductory remark, that there is chan changes in the war to the influence. each state separately

means that we should look at the behavior of each stage from the unique perspective and from, from the perspective or to unique evaluation of its own particular. well, we did that because i think the united states at this point of time presents a very interesting case. i know that many russian animals, many of your colleagues were surprised by jo biden's recent speeches on the american withdrawal from garrison because frankly, they sound as if they were written by vladimir putin speech writers. you know, they focus on national interest saying that security is our vital concern that we should not try to make other countries through the use of force. i mean, if he weren't saying that, if that's what posted on his social media, it would be forgiven for thinking that they were hacked. do you believe the american president wants to the fact that he is ready to learn from america's mistakes? well, i don't want to, to mix the change in american posture and in american way of behavior of

international behavior ways the personal decisions and the approach of for the president joe biden. i think what you're by indeed on case of get this done with a great decision over the last 30 years. it was the 1st decision which did not follow the course of the events and history, but was an attempt to change the course of events. and the biggest task of the statements ship is to contradict history is to change the historical part from over the national foreign policy. and what actually drawback indeed, even though i'm not sure that they're present conditional, the american status hodge is so functional that the decisions the right decisions can be properly implemented. but that's kind of ironic. what you're saying that the united states is still the most powerful country in the world. on many of them

mentioned that previously if leaders didn't have enough ability to actually change history consciously, perhaps they were shaping it subconsciously, but they didn't have the god to do or to go against the current. well, actually the american foreign policy off of the end of the cold war was a continuation of american foreign policy during the cold war, winning the work all the war. and then living on the victoria doing and extracting of the benefits of this victory. so wardrobe i don't need, he changed this way of behavior. he changed these grogan, please continue to of american foreign policy. and in these fans, americans can be optimistic about their own ability to find the leader, which is able to take those decisions, even though, as i said, i should not this optimistic about the wider functionality of the american fish.

there were 2 figures that stuck out for me, and by the latest speech on august 31st, the $300000000.00 a day span don't have dentist on every single day. for the last 2 decades, the 18 american veterans committing suicide every single day, on average in america, they, they call it brutal honesty. and i don't think we've ever, at least i have never heard of the american president go, that's fine. not even the chums in that it personality factor bite and being a straight shooter, or is it something more structural? perhaps the american state as powerful is it, is reaching the end of it. throw to some extent. well, we will see how structural it might be. i think that the great privilege or for joe biden as a president, he's because of his age. he is not in a position to look after his presidency for

a long time. hope to have free from all the electro over to the ration you're free from electro considerations and for move, let us be honest as well as job by them. he is relatively free from the considerations of career after the presidency of in wage council of directors. and these charities that allow him to be the leader that allows him to speak relatively freely and to make decisions which are not dependent or in the he chicago. now, you wrote recently, and you said that already a couple of times during this interview, the american state apparatus has reached the point when they can still make foresighted decisions. but the ability to implement them. is there a limit that if, if existence at all what makes you believe that because biden's people would tell you that, you know, we made a decision to pull out from garrison in 4 months and we did a despite all the convert and clover opposition?

well, they did it bod, how it was implemented, made a very big damage to the international positions or the united states. and basically, to all they mentions of american power is they are seen from outside, not only from russia, but also from china as a main rival, the united states, from europe and from the other parts of the world. isn't that what to be expected in this field? i mean, i think in your politics and politics in general, there is no choice between good and bad decision that you always choose between. you know, they're worth while the think is about the limitations. so that was the role from of gender stone was implemented very badly in the very disorganized, very dysfunctional and very unimpressed of weight. so the decision was good. the

implementation was bad. and even president biden himself, in july, was speaking to the republican government of guns, done his capital to resist the fans of taliban, and for much longer time, let tale. bonnie's north, north vietnamese, army su, haven't made a right decision in his after statement in july, she was already part of the wider dysfunctional picture of american politics. now, speaking about this dysfunction collectively, we russians know this condition of lack of a better metaphor, governing impotence. we've been through that delayed light in ages in the 1990 and the russian state has the recovery. maybe not the way the the partners would prefer

to see, but if the recovery its ability to get things done, how long do you think it will take the americans to rebound? can they do that without fundamentally changing the system? because the russian system has to be changed. it has no choice. do the americans have a choice about whether to change or not? i don't know which state is unique. and what has happened to soviet union will not necessarily happen to the united states. even though, if it will happen to the united states, it will not necessarily happen the same way as it have happened before the union. that the united states america is a nuclear superpower. and do we cannot, before they add the consequences of the internal american changes and internal contradictions are not going to represent their immortal chinese to the rest of humanity. now i agree with you that day each historic path has any, but i still think that historic parallels could be valuable because it was the

collapse of the soviet union in $99.00 to $1.00 which ultimately served the united states. this unprecedented opportunity of trying to be the exceptional nation on just an exceptional nation, but the exceptional nation, the shining, see the on the hill, can we blame them for not leaving up to the godly, divine image when we the russians gave up on our cell. so desperately at that time, well, i mean we cannot blame them, but because if we do, it means that we see our future dependent on another stage of the future of each country, either its own business or cause the historic powers and comparisons available by the available in the way that we see a we can for the condition of the state as about as institution. but we don't know

how certain states will react to this same condition for the same circumstances, to the same contingency. and the reaction of the soviet union to feed the condition of the state was connected to the unique particularities over the solving system. the reaction of american american steed to this condition are going to be as well connected with the unique particularities over the american system. and society, you wrote recently that even though in the sure the medium term and the americans withdrawal may bring russia some benefits in the longer term in the longer term. and it can prevent russia with, with major challenges that we can't even comprehend. now, what are you talking about when a major challenge is the us policy us will develop and future haul. the american society will react to the decrease of these country physicians in the international

scene in the international arena. so this is a major challenge because actually the united states is the only country in the world. we represent secure serial security consideration for russian as well as russia is the only country in the world which were present. this was considered a security consideration for the united states. with all this we can deal with the americans. we cannot deal with all taken grease war destroying ocean management. so this is why this is major challenge, not the dentist in itself, not the original consequences by the american catholic. what's the impact of these war and what has happened on american society, on development for these great, if worse comes to worse, what, what could happen? well, in international relations will say,

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vault discussion club and also of the recently published book europe, russia and the liberal world. mr. boy, that your friends we were discussing before the break. joe biden, by his own admission, is ready to turn the page on the american use of force, but he's still, he's the united states as being locked in an almost ontological battle with russia and china. in that same speech, he said that they would want nothing more than the united states thing. and again, it's on, we have another decade and maybe even longer. is that an honest analysis? well, i think this is, this is one over the several possible analytical options. of course, under certain conditions, someone can, you can say that both and russia would love to not as these to continue this 4th. because the exhausting american capabilities and helping china and russia to survive and to ship the goals on the global in the global level. now it seems to me

that at least for now, both the russian and the chinese leadership believe that they can come to some sort of an agreement with the taliban in more optimistic scenarios. there's even that talk about joined the economic development, the mining of rare earth materials which garrison is very reach in and many countries are seeking access to those deposits. is that too rosy of a picture? do you think of garrison can ever return to, you know, and normal state of things where business, the, some limitations could be done with their should. it depends on both on the phone, the, on the people of afghanistan, and on the other, on the, on the external great powers. this scenario which you have described is more favorable for chinese and russian interest is of cause to have as part of stability in center your asia. and of course,

both china and russia are interested in scenario on the which their presence power and dominant power in getting us. then we'll manage to consolidate the government and to consolidate the country, making each the partner for economic and the culture of your projects in case of china and both china and russia. of course, the other option is the day to the movement which has taken control over the country will not be able to do it. and it will open another chapter often or no by and then does dennis. i think that both china and russia prepared for for both a percentage is about a month ago i spoke to

a former of dennison's present because i was in moscow for consultations that had been american patrol. and he was very positive about the russian chinese synergies and their ability to solidify shrank from eurasia from the outskirts in the war. incidence that are from the middle is do you think it's more feasible now then let's say a year ago, this whole concept of integrated your region space from lisbon to do a song that the russians are so normally with do you think it's more likely? well, i think the conditions are favorable. i think that the international conditions in eurasia are good for them and for the, for the general stability in the center. and we need them to say, what is it only about the americans withdrawal or? well, the problem with the america is that america does not have direct security considerations

beyond mexican and canadian border. so the only region in which the united states are interested vitally is the mexico and canada. the for the rest of the world for the issues and the rest of the world. the united states can look not from the perspective of national security, but from the perspective of international diplomacy and the united states. look at situation in the central eurasia central asia. i didn't know southeast asia from the position of economic interest bod, 1st to fall from the perspective of its felicia shapes, with china and russia. it's not about the regions, it's about the great power of the game. and that's, that makes the american participation less productive them. we could have believed that makes the united states nor to solution. but the problem in the united states,

in many of its doctrinal documents, is describing russia nowadays as a disruptor and disrupting power. and do you think that's essentially a projection, they're describing us in a way what they're trying to do to this region, disrupting it for the lack of better word who i don't think it is a project. so i think that is normal diplomatic practice for the great powers. if we recognize that the other great power is the contributor, not to disrupt her, it means that we have problems about establishing our own position. because only between the great powers. we have very limited possibilities to recognise the positive contribution of others without limiting our own place. our own positive role in international it's really the limited because the russian and the chinese example i think for someone's duration in a group. i think that's why i would call china resolution of the you unique

strategic partnership for the 21st century. we will see how it will develop in future for the time being these 2 countries established an excellent next one relationships in eurasia. we. she is absolutely free from any substantial contradictions. and we contribute to the stability of kenneth about which we have been speak just a couple of minutes ago. and i think this type of relationship defies. was big neighbors in sky used to write about that. no single, great nation should be allowed to emerge in eurasia because otherwise it would be trying, in this case what we're going to try and look, it was nice pikemen, 91039. maybe he borrowed this? well, because if i'm talking about the idea anyway, that was that in there is one here, german, one regional had jam and it would try to reserve the whole,

the whole continent. and therefore, present a challenge for the united states with russia and china. we are seeing, you know, too strong regional actress and global actors trying to work from different poles and trying to leave the center together. seeing janny and benefits for, for each and every one of them. do you think be the americans could ever be converted to that logic, that it's actually, it could be very beneficial for them for strengthening their own power to work collectively with others, you know, to, to least have not only eurasia but the rest of the world. well, 1st of all, i think of that is absolutely correct. and accordingly, to plastic geopolitical approaches represented by the works of nicholas pikemen before the 2nd world war, no great power should dominate eurasia. otherwise, the consolidation of your ratio wound is so strong that its we'll isolate the united states from the world. but now we don't have one power dominant and eurasia

. we have at least 2 powers, china and russia. and we, we see that russia is trying to develop install and called relationships with india . and it's trying to positively influence the ration she was between china and india. so these were 2 dominant followers. it's what is differently than was one dominant ballot. so we will see, i'm not sure that there, that the traditional course of the, and of the behavior of this, the dependent on their national security considerations can change. but i don't know, as you have said in the beginning of follow follow, thought the world is changing tremendously and maybe tomorrow we'll see that as talk troy films wish which appear to be absolutely under festival they they will, they will change. and now we have only a few minutes left and i want to ask you about this particular part of their will

because we actually recording this interview and let us talk, which is 9000 kilometers away from moscow. and you made a very interesting point recently. and one of your article saying that investing in this part of the world in russia, as well as trying to build connections with powers in this part of the world, it's far more efficient, makes much better sense for russian than putting its efforts. you know, it's attention, it's capital, it's aspirations towards the western frontier. so essentially i took it away as, let's invest in far east, rather than trying to get the ukraine bag. what made you connect the seemingly unconnected parts of the world? well, 1st of all, far east and siberia are what makes russia russia otherwise, it should have been that just one of the big european powers. but what makes russia

global power is a possession of the around far east? that's why russia is been naturally interested in the development of this rachels. and as it has been discussed already today, during goal forum and making these regions good for, for the, for the people who are leaving them. and that's why, from the longer perspective, all fresh from sustainability of the rational stayed it is of course, much more important than getting bay or establishing privileged relations with any european nation, including ukraine. we mentioned versions can before, and i think many people in, in the west as well as in moscow. i still believe him. he's all thesis that without ukraine, russia caesar's to be an am. yet you rode that without the ukraine russia retains and imperial scale, but not imperial obligations. when demand further saying that having ukraine as

part of one state with russia during the soviet times was more of a liability, a burden for moscow than a benefits. are you saying that the west perversely served russia a favor when they tried to drive a wedge between them? yes, but no, it was not a 3 or 2 ukrainian people. and it was at the table to the regional stability in europe. what russia was from ukraine, russia once from ukraine, to be a soldier in state capable to say, to the soldiering foreign policy decisions and rational decisions based on the political and power considerations. it was written in one of the recent articles published by the president bush. and generally, russia is the major advocate of the independence and severe energy of its neighbor because russia will always remain stronger than them. but the condition of

this is the rational behavior. so the problem was you bring in said that it cannot behave rationally because it does not take foreign policy. the issue isn't itself. finally, you come from this group of fresh and thinkers who believe that moscow should stop dressing and obsessing about it's european identity. and it's instead embrace eurasian standing in its full capacity. you said that russia would never accept it as a full fledged european power by the west. but it could be a force, a serious force to reference with as your range of power. do you think that mental shift has occurred? how tall being some european? well as close to this man. so consideration have been just a consequence of the russian foreign policy, which was obsessed with the go will becoming the part of the european balance of power. for the couple of centuries, balance of power in europe in europe was

a vital for the food, international security. and for the balance for following the walls. now, it does not anymore. now the balance of power has a global nature. and that's why, for russia, the goal of being father of europe is not so it's not, it's not necessary in terms of the national survival. and i guess that's why it makes much better sense trying to lift out this part of the world as far as this iberia than the stock in the past with the to agree because it contributes much more to the long term sustainability and survival of the russian station and it makes russia russia, and it makes us our ship. mr. board has been great pleasure talking to you. thank you very much for the time to and thank you for watching hope to hear again next week on it was apart from

me. the me ah, what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk. the only one main thing is important or not as an internationally speaking that is

a nation's but that's allowed to do anything. all the master races and then you have the mind, nations who are the slave, the americans, brock, obama, and others have had a concept of american exceptionalism. international law exist as long as it serves american interest. if it doesn't, it doesn't exist. i turning those russians enter this dangerous man that wants to take over the world. that was a culture strategy. so some of it on your own. i english v i v. i not leashed it off in one and tablet block nato. and it's our, we move east. the reason us hedge, emily, it's dangerous is the lie, the sovereignty of other countries, the exceptionalism that america uses and its international war planning is one of the greatest threats to the populations of different nations. if nature,

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